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Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 9:58 pm
by brlenox
jbalm wrote:"left it but can't seem to leave it alone"
How profound.
Does anyone think those kind of platitudes have any value whatsoever? They are nothing more than a retreat when you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.
I always wonder why you take this attitude with people. There is absolutely nothing incorrect is the observation whatsoever. It echo's a sentiment that for most in the church we find very profound as stated by Joseph Smith:
Joseph Smith wrote: "Brother Behunnin, you don't know what you would do. [Then, referring to apostates who were fighting against the Church, he said:] No doubt these men once thought as you do. Before you joined this Church you stood on neutral ground. When the gospel was preached good and evil were set before you. You could choose either or neither. There were two opposite masters inviting you to serve them. When you joined this Church you enlisted to serve God. When you did that you left the neutral ground, and you never can get back on to it. Should you forsake the Master you enlisted to serve it will be by the instigation of the evil one, and you will follow his dictation and be his servant" (Juvenile Instructor 27 [15 August 1892]: 492)."
Another one from N. Eldon Tanner
I know of many cases where a man has gradually failed to magnify his priesthood and moved away from activity in the Church. As a result, a man who has been very active loses his testimony and the Spirit of the Lord withdraws from him, and he begins to criticize those in authority, and to persecute the saints, apostatize, and fight against God.” (In Conference Report, Apr. 1970, p. 52.)
I consider these types of observations extremely profound and when I see them in action it amazing me at the pure brilliance and insight of Joseph Smith and others that manifest such understanding. Some among us here in this forum are the personification of this insight. Sadly...
Perhaps we can just sum it up with "left, but can't seem to leave it alone."
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 10:06 pm
by keep the faith
jbalm wrote:I'm immune to your inanities.
Is that you honey bunch? How did you find out about the LDAFF??
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 10:07 pm
by Original_Intent
I'll point out as I have before - if someone came on this forum and badmouthed Denver half as badly as is tolerated of the GA's of the LDS church they would be run off the forum so fast they wouldn't know what hit them.
If people want to get on and spew their mumbo-jumbo personal revelation doctrines, that's fine by me, and I'll share my opinion, whether anyone cares to hear it or not. The nonsense we put up with in the name of being "tolerant" would be hilarious if people's salvation and eternal progression weren't at stake.
And yes, when the spirit testifies to me that someone is an out and out fraud, I'll say so. Sorry if that doesn't give anyone the warm fuzzies. And if you want to cast me out for so doing, that is also your prerogative. Do I mind someone sharing theories? Nope, I do it all the time and enjoy reading other people ideas, even crazy ones. And if they are presented as ideas - no problem.
But when someone comes on and declares that they have received personal revelation, and the spirit tells me "Untrue!" I feel obligated to bear witness. And someday that person and I will stand together before the judgment bar of God, and one of us is going to bear the shame of bearing false testimony regarding the revelation they have received - something which is referred to as spiritual murder in the scriptures.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 10:08 pm
by brlenox
keep the faith wrote:jbalm wrote:I'm immune to your inanities.
Is that you honey bunch? How did you find out about the LDAFF??
I'm afraid to ask...A?
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 10:09 pm
by Original_Intent
brlenox wrote:
I'm afraid to ask...A?
Latter Day Apostate Freedom Forum, of course!
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 10:21 pm
by keep the faith
Original_Intent wrote:brlenox wrote:
I'm afraid to ask...A?
Latter Day Apostate Freedom Forum, of course!
Not quite OI. Just following the good Dr.'s latest inanity. Tell me it Aint true!
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 10:38 pm
by jbalm
brlenox wrote:jbalm wrote:"left it but can't seem to leave it alone"
How profound.
Does anyone think those kind of platitudes have any value whatsoever? They are nothing more than a retreat when you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.
I always wonder why you take this attitude with people. There is absolutely nothing incorrect is the observation whatsoever. It echo's a sentiment that for most in the church we find very profound as stated by Joseph Smith:
Joseph Smith wrote: "Brother Behunnin, you don't know what you would do. [Then, referring to apostates who were fighting against the Church, he said:] No doubt these men once thought as you do. Before you joined this Church you stood on neutral ground. When the gospel was preached good and evil were set before you. You could choose either or neither. There were two opposite masters inviting you to serve them. When you joined this Church you enlisted to serve God. When you did that you left the neutral ground, and you never can get back on to it. Should you forsake the Master you enlisted to serve it will be by the instigation of the evil one, and you will follow his dictation and be his servant" (Juvenile Instructor 27 [15 August 1892]: 492)."
Another one from N. Eldon Tanner
I know of many cases where a man has gradually failed to magnify his priesthood and moved away from activity in the Church. As a result, a man who has been very active loses his testimony and the Spirit of the Lord withdraws from him, and he begins to criticize those in authority, and to persecute the saints, apostatize, and fight against God.” (In Conference Report, Apr. 1970, p. 52.)
I consider these types of observations extremely profound and when I see them in action it amazing me at the pure brilliance and insight of Joseph Smith and others that manifest such understanding. Some among us here in this forum are the personification of this insight. Sadly...
Perhaps we can just sum it up with "left, but can't seem to leave it alone."
I'm also immune to excessively wordy inanities.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 10:43 pm
by jbalm
keep the faith wrote:jbalm wrote:I'm immune to your inanities.
Is that you honey bunch? How did you find out about the LDAFF??
As if I care to be numbered amongst you and yours.
Maybe you can start the LDMSFF.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 10:52 pm
by brlenox
jbalm wrote:keep the faith wrote:jbalm wrote:I'm immune to your inanities.
Is that you honey bunch? How did you find out about the LDAFF??
As if I care to be numbered amongst you and yours.
Maybe you can start the LDMSFF.
Ohh goody...an alphabet game.... What's the "M" stand for?
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 11:05 pm
by jbalm
MS = Mantle Sniffer.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 11:10 pm
by keep the faith
jbalm wrote:keep the faith wrote:jbalm wrote:I'm immune to your inanities.
Is that you honey bunch? How did you find out about the LDAFF??
As if I care to be numbered amongst you and yours.
Maybe you can start the LDMSFF.
I can throw out a couple attorney jokes to help recover your sense of humor off life support jbalm.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 9th, 2013, 11:12 pm
by drjme
jbalm wrote:Your's too.
Mine was made in jest. I just find that inanity quite humorous.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 4:44 am
by jbalm
drjme wrote:jbalm wrote:Your's too.
Mine was made in jest. I just find that inanity quite humorous.
I know.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 7:43 am
by jbalm
keep the faith wrote:I can throw out a couple attorney jokes to help recover your sense of humor off life support jbalm.
Sorry KTF, I didn't realize YOU were the joking type.
Respect
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 7:48 am
by ajax
Damn, I always miss the fun stuff while I'm asleep.
Some of you around here take this forum and its contents from pretend names and avatars WAY too seriously.
Some of you around here take yourselves WAY too seriously.
It's all rather amusing actually. Can I join the fun?
SamFisher wrote: I'm baffled why you bother remaining in the church.
I'm baffled why you bother to ask that.
keep the faith wrote: My guess is that you have left it but can't seem to leave it alone.
brlenox wrote:Perhaps we can just sum it up with "left, but can't seem to leave it alone."
My guess it you can't leave alone those who can't leave it alone.
Original_Intent wrote:blah, blah, blah....
Sorry about the blah, blah, blah's OI. I usually reserve that for brlenox. However I didn't want your entire post taking too much space. Perhaps I should have used yada, yada, yada.
A bit of a martyr complex, no?
May I recommend that we all start living the WoW more fully, to act as the necessary social grease, that our muscles may be relaxed and our hearts and spririts lifted.
*This message was posted with oodles of love*
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 8:09 am
by jbalm
ajax wrote:May I recommend that we all start living the WoW more fully, to act as the necessary social grease, that our muscles may be relaxed and our hearts and spririts lifted.
In all seriousness, you have a point here. I've seen "social grease" (or "personality enhancer"), in moderation, work some minor miracles.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 8:12 am
by Original_Intent
I do take gospel discussions seriously.
I do take someone making the assertion that the President of the church has not borne a testimony in 8 years as a serious accusation.
I don't feel martyred, I just know that in the past when I have pointed out the DS is treated with higher regard and is less open to criticism than the FP and the QOTA, I have been temp banned.
Like I stated, anyone wants to share any opinions that they want, I am eager to read. When people start testifying to having received revelation of things, and the spirit tells me they are lying, I feel obliged to say so - not to cause trouble or hurt feelings, and not to stifle open and friendly conversation, but to bear witness. I would expect anyone here to do the same to me. It's why I go to pains to emphasize when I am expressing an opinion or sometimes even just a hair-brained thought that I had vs. the times I state "I testify..." Sorry, but false names and avatars or no, that is a serious matter to me. I'm sorry if you consider it a light and frivolous thing, and I am further sorry if my taking it seriously offends or annoys you.
I don't take myself seriously, but I do take certain matters very seriously.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 8:36 am
by ajax
Original_Intent wrote:I'm sorry if you consider it a light and frivolous thing, It is what it is
and I am further sorry if my taking it seriously offends or annoys you. Do you think I'm offended or annoyed by anything around here? LDSFF is my first and only foray into "social media". I am not a facebooker, tweeter or whatever they call things. People feel themselve to be too self important. So when I'm on here, and my wife walks by and asks whats going on, and I tell her people are really getting worked up about things on the internet, she just laughs mockingly and says, "grow up". Perspective.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 8:42 am
by marc
I don't understand the LDS Morg part in the title. :-\
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 8:52 am
by EmmaLee
coachmarc wrote:I don't understand the LDS Morg part in the title. :-\
http://salamandersociety.com/dictionary/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Morg: Mormon ORGanization. An unthinking member of the Church. This has its origin in Star Trek the Next Generation. "The Borg" are a collective of various different humanoid species which have been "assimilated" into a huge community. Each member of the collective is incapable of individuality. All actions are determined by the collective mind and are for the benefit of the collective, its future existence, and continual growth. The Borg are characterized by their cold lack of compassion or emotion, and ruthless pursuit of the goals of the collective, if necessary at the expense of the individual "drones" or members of the collective. Morg = Mormon + Borg. Also, Morg is a homonym for Morgue, representing death of the individual or spirit which often results in fully submitting one's will to the Church.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 9:06 am
by Original_Intent
ajax wrote:Original_Intent wrote:I'm sorry if you consider it a light and frivolous thing, It is what it is
and I am further sorry if my taking it seriously offends or annoys you. Do you think I'm offended or annoyed by anything around here? LDSFF is my first and only foray into "social media". I am not a facebooker, tweeter or whatever they call things. People feel themselve to be too self important. So when I'm on here, and my wife walks by and asks whats going on, and I tell her people are really getting worked up about things on the internet, she just laughs mockingly and says, "grow up". Perspective.
Yep. Perspective.
I like how you describe her laughter as "mocking" - rarely a good thing.
Believe it or not, it is possible for some really good and uplifting, even amazing things to start on the internet. And of course, those who look at it as silly, a toy, or a way to get some light entertainment tend to treat it accordingly. I'm with you on FaceBook, and I don't even have a Twitter account. But I have seen and learned a lot of real value both here and on the Liberty Forest forums (previously Ron Paul forum).
I know I know. I'm being too serious and actually addressing what you are saying. My bad. I know most Americans like to keep it light and within a sound bite. Sorry to have disturbed your comfort zone.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 9:13 am
by keep the faith
jbalm wrote:keep the faith wrote:I can throw out a couple attorney jokes to help recover your sense of humor off life support jbalm.
Sorry KTF, I didn't realize YOU were the joking type.
Respect
Say what? This is your old buddy Markety Mark from your former days as a defender of the faith before the gospel lobotomy was performed on you by some dirty bugger. (Was it CHH our indian blood brother that did this dirty deed?) Don't you recognize the sure and abiding testimony? BTW Shadow sends his love. He misses your razor sharp cynisism. :ymhug:
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 9:16 am
by jbalm
Holy crap!
I had no idea.
I am genuinely happy that you are back.
Good to "see" you bro.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 9:20 am
by keep the faith
jbalm wrote:Holy crap!
I had no idea.
I am genuinely happy that you are back.
Good to "see" you bro.
I knew you missed me. Now quit stalking me you silly wabbit or Im coming after whats left of your billy goats.
Re: Pres Monson hasn't borne a(n LDS Morg) testimony in 8 ye
Posted: October 10th, 2013, 9:22 am
by jbalm
So which one of these new guys is Shadow?