America in the midst of a coup d etat

[Original_Intent]

Bob, I admit that Romney was the lesser of the two evils, I always admitted and knew he would not be as bad as Obama.

Sadly, he neither understood nor supported the Constitution, that is a REQUIRMENT for the job in my book, and in the Lord's book.

I would have loved to support him, but couldn't in good conscience. If you feel good about your vote for someone who openly supports pre-emptive wars of aggression, torture, supported bank bailouts, and about the only "good" thing he would have done was prop up the Babylon economy for a few more years - hey, if you feel you can explain that vote to the Lord without shame, I wish the best for you in that.

Bottom line is that numerous times you said that Mitt WAS going to be our next president and anyone who disagreed just needed to get over it.

I hope you have gotten over your hubris, you clearly were not getting your info from a good source.

[Sheol27]

Bob, I admit that Romney was the lesser of the two evils, I always admitted and knew he would not be as bad as Obama.

Sadly, he neither understood nor supported the Constitution, that is a REQUIRMENT for the job in my book, and in the Lord's book.

I would have loved to support him, but couldn't in good conscience. If you feel good about your vote for someone who openly supports pre-emptive wars of aggression, torture, supported bank bailouts, and about the only "good" thing he would have done was prop up the Babylon economy for a few more years - hey, if you feel you can explain that vote to the Lord without shame, I wish the best for you in that.

Bottom line is that numerous times you said that Mitt WAS going to be our next president and anyone who disagreed just needed to get over it.

I hope you have gotten over your hubris, you clearly were not getting your info from a good source.

His Neo-Con ways were actually pretty scary to me. No denying that! I think he was a tight wad (which a lot of very well to do people are) but I think he had good intentions. His donations seem to be the minimum requirement. I believe he was a lot better choice than Obama in fact a better choice for the republican nomination that we have had in a long while. IMO, John McCain is a bad man and was a much worse choice than even Romney.

[bobhenstra]

Lol, yeah your right Kevin, your guy won fair and square ) ) )

[Sheol27]

Who's his guy? Ron Paul?

[Original_Intent]

Lol, yeah your right Kevin, your guy won fair and square ) ) )

LoL, I wasn't making the claim that he WAS going to be our next president. I am far too aware of the herd instinct in human nature to have ever hoped for that. He could sure school Mitt or any of those other posers on the Constitution, without breaking a sweat.

Heck, on one occasion Mitt said he would have to consult with his attorneys about what he could and couldn't do, on another he simply answered in the debate that they should direct questions about the Constitution to Ron Paul. So, I do give him credit for knowing his shortcomings.

Ron was a smart guy, and knew he had zero chance of winning it - but he woke some people up and continues to do so. Sadly, some thought that having the priesthood ( you know, like Harry Reid) was a good enough qualification.

[bobhenstra]

Kev, Hezekiah held the Holy Priesthood! Your guy doesn't--- He was disqualified from the start!

[Sheol27]

Honestly I would have loved to combine all the good traits of Saint Mitt and Brother Ron. Imagine a lover of the Bill of Rights clothed with the power of the priesthood and the Gift of the Holy Ghost? You do both make good points!

[Original_Intent]

Honestly I would have loved to combine all the good traits of Saint Mitt and Brother Ron. Imagine a lover of the Bill of Rights clothed with the power of the priesthood and the Gift of the Holy Ghost? You do both make good points!

Indeed. Heck Mike Lee is far from perfect, but I would support him for president. I really was excited to see Mitt run when I first found out, I thought it was a miracle, but the more I learned his positions I just couldn't do it.

I am with you, though, it would be wonderful to support an LDS person who also understood and supported the Constitution. I still keep hoping that Connor Boyack gets involved in politics (as in running for office) but he seems to have decided that he can do the most good as an author and thru the 10th Amendment Center and Libertas Institute.

Another person who would be incredible would be Lowell Nelson who I believe is the current vice chairman of the Utah GOP. He is incredible.

[bobhenstra]

The election is over, the potted plant and anti Mormon voters defeated the Priesthood holder, it is as it is! I'm not interested in changing the past, but understanding and preparing for the future.

President Lee, as quoted above, explains we'll not lose America, the country will simply be cleansed. However, When it comes to understanding the written word, many of our members simply will not do it! Many members of the True Church are social Mormons, to them scriptural understanding is not important, the next ward party or outing is!

The Prophet Amulek explains;

Alma 10:25
25 But Amulek stretched forth his hand, and cried the mightier unto them, saying: O ye wicked and perverse generation, why hath Satan got such great hold upon your hearts? Why will ye yield yourselves unto him that he may have power over you, to blind your eyes, that ye will not understand the words which are spoken, according to their truth?

Only us, only we members of the true church are given type and shadow prophecy, no other church understands type and shadow prophecy, but many of us WILL NOT UNDERSTAND the word of prophecy given only to us! The OT contains much type and shadow prophecy, our Lord even commands us to study Isaiah (3 Nephi 23) Mormon included 22 chapters of Isaiah, and half of the verses of Isaiah read different than the KJV. Do we bother to compare and "SEE" further truth?

Helaman 6 through 3 Nephi 8 is type and shadow prophecy, for us, concerning our day, the most important prophecy we have been given, even the most correct!

Bob

[samizdat]

Had Romney won, bobhenstra, the Church would be in a world of hurt right now, no pun intended.

After reading this talk by Elder Oaks, I was convinced that Romney fit this bill really nicely:

"Some may serve for hope or earthly reward. Such a man or woman might serve in Church positions or in private acts of mercy in an effort to achieve prominence or cultivate contracts that would increase income or aid in acquiring wealth. Others might serve in order to obtain worldly honors, prominence, or power. "

We know that Mitt Romney served as a Bishop and as a Stake President, and volunteered to lead the Olympics. We also know that his job was aimed at the same time as saving companies, increasing his own wealth and power. And with the Presidency, he sought worldly honors, prominence, and power.

His anti Chinese and anti Russian comments were fomenting protests against the Church in all of Europe and parts of Asia, and they would have made the Prop 8 bruhaha in California look mild by comparison, had Romney won. Romney was hated here in Mexico for the same reasons of making commentaries against the immigrants, when he had illegal immigrants in his house caring for his lawn.

Romney was good in the beginning, but when he lost sight of the reasons why he was serving, it was no wonder that he fell so much.

[Original_Intent]

The election is over, the potted plant and anti Mormon voters defeated the Priesthood holder, it is as it is! I'm not interested in changing the past, but understanding and preparing for the future.

President Lee, as quoted above, explains we'll not lose America, the country will simply be cleansed. However, When it comes to understanding the written word, many of our members simply will not do it! Many members of the True Church are social Mormons, to them scriptural understanding is not important, the next ward party or outing is!

The Prophet Amulek explains;

Alma 10:25
25 But Amulek stretched forth his hand, and cried the mightier unto them, saying: O ye wicked and perverse generation, why hath Satan got such great hold upon your hearts? Why will ye yield yourselves unto him that he may have power over you, to blind your eyes, that ye will not understand the words which are spoken, according to their truth?

Only us, only we members of the true church are given type and shadow prophecy, no other church understands type and shadow prophecy, but many of us WILL NOT UNDERSTAND the word of prophecy given only to us! The OT contains much type and shadow prophecy, our Lord even commands us to study Isaiah (3 Nephi 23) Mormon included 22 chapters of Isaiah, and half of the verses of Isaiah read different than the KJV. Do we bother to compare and "SEE" further truth?

Helaman 6 through 3 Nephi 8 is type and shadow prophecy, for us, concerning our day, the most important prophecy we have been given, even the most correct!

Bob

You should read "The Harbinger" and then see if you can still make the claim that only LDS understand type and shadow prophecy. the author of that book (and I am assuming a good number of his readers) understand type and shadow far better than the average LDS imho.

[bobhenstra]

The "Harbinger" is a church? Thanks, I'll stick with real prophets!

[Sheol27]

The "Harbinger" is a church? Thanks, I'll stick with real prophets!

Don't forget the Holy Spirit as our guide as well!

[Original_Intent]

The "Harbinger" is a church? Thanks, I'll stick with real prophets!

It's a book written by a Messianic Jew who shows that Isaiah 9:10 is a type and shadow of the attack on the World Trade Center and events that have followed since then.

It is great that you understand type and shadow so well, and a pity that you misapply it so often. You read a type and shadow prophecy and then determine how YOU think it should apply to our future. I hope you do stick with true prophets, you need the spirit of prophecy to know them when you hear them. So far your batting average doesn't fill me with confidence.

The fact that you were so gung ho over Mitt tells me that as much as you think you know, you still have much to learn. There are certainly areas where you are far advanced as well. Thankfully, I have been willing to learn from you in those areas of expertise. Unfortunately, like most old men, you think that you know more about everything than anyone younger than you (which is just about everyone).

We each have our areas of specialization, until you learn to benefit from other people's strengths as well as share your own, your progression is going to be hampered. We've been over this territory countless times, but indeed, there is truth in the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks."

I look forward to some nice long discussions with you on the other side, Saint Bob. It's obvious you have learned all you are going to on this side of the veil. Your cup is full.

[bobhenstra]

Kevin, long ago I learned when it comes to gospel subjects I must remain with the true prophets, any other interpretation of any scripture will simple steer me in the wrong direction. I have had many great teachers, all of them advised me to stick with the prophetic spoken words, I do so!

I'll give "you" an example Kevin; Our Lord and his prophets say Christ will save "ALL" mankind, you say he doesn't! You'll discover that I'll listen only to Our Lord and the prophets, and work hard on understanding how he accomplishes that "fact!" with "all" the Children of the Most High! You simply choose not to totally understand the simple Law of Repentance, and how it applies to "all" of God's children!

I'll continue, there are several more examples, but just one more; You seem to want to ignore the fact that the LDG's are in total control of our country. Only Our Lord can correct that fact and he'll do so with a cleansing. When the LDG's took command they set aside the Constitution which now hangs by a thread. At this time in our country's existence, You err when you place the set aside constitution above the Holy Priesthood!

Mitt Romney was this country's last chance, "now" comes the cleansing!

Bob

[bobhenstra]

Had Romney won, bobhenstra, the Church would be in a world of hurt right now, no pun intended.

Sorry Saint samizdat, You know of no such thing---

I'll worry about the USA, you worry about Mexico. When the missionaries are called home, I hope you remain safe!

Saint Bob

[InfoWarrior82]

Bob, I admit that Romney was the lesser of the two evils, I always admitted and knew he would not be as bad as Obama.

Sadly, he neither understood nor supported the Constitution, that is a REQUIRMENT for the job in my book, and in the Lord's book.

I would have loved to support him, but couldn't in good conscience. If you feel good about your vote for someone who openly supports pre-emptive wars of aggression, torture, supported bank bailouts, and about the only "good" thing he would have done was prop up the Babylon economy for a few more years - hey, if you feel you can explain that vote to the Lord without shame, I wish the best for you in that.

Bottom line is that numerous times you said that Mitt WAS going to be our next president and anyone who disagreed just needed to get over it.

I hope you have gotten over your hubris, you clearly were not getting your info from a good source.

OH SNAP!

How could anyone argue with this one??? Can't be done I tell ya.

The only thing different between Harry Reid and Mitt Romney is the R and the D. But they both have the priesthood, so... LETS VOTE FOR BOTH OF THEM... oh wait... epic logic fail. (Bob's logic)

Let's see if Bob can read my mind and see which one of the above two persons I am speaking of: "someone who openly supports pre-emptive wars of aggression, torture, supported bank bailouts".

"...he neither understood nor supported the Constitution..."


*Hint* It's a trick question.

[InfoWarrior82]

Kev, Hezekiah held the Holy Priesthood! Your guy doesn't--- He was disqualified from the start!

Wait... Hezekiah died a looonng time ago. Bob, you off your meds again?

[Sheol27]

Kev, Hezekiah held the Holy Priesthood! Your guy doesn't--- He was disqualified from the start!

Wait... Hezekiah died a looonng time ago. Bob, you off your meds again?

At least you finally got rid of that really ugly avatar/ photo!

[bobhenstra]

10 For the time speedily cometh that the Lord God shall cause a great division among the people, and the wicked will he destroy; and he will spare his people, yea, even if it so be that he must destroy the wicked by fire. (2 Nephi 30:10)

This is the cleansing! Which side of the great division will you all choose? 50 percent of the True Church will choose the wrong side (Parable of the Ten Virgins)! And how will you know?

Bob

[Teancum-Old]

10 For the time speedily cometh that the Lord God shall cause a great division among the people, and the wicked will he destroy; and he will spare his people, yea, even if it so be that he must destroy the wicked by fire. (2 Nephi 30:10)

This is the cleansing! Which side of the great division will you all choose? 50 percent of the True Church will choose the wrong side (Parable of the Ten Virgins)! And how will you know?

I have heard that parable applied to endowed members of the Church... Many do not keep their temple convenants, probably 50% of them.

Many are called but few are chosen... D&C 121:45

[bobhenstra]

10 For the time speedily cometh that the Lord God shall cause a great division among the people, and the wicked will he destroy; and he will spare his people, yea, even if it so be that he must destroy the wicked by fire. (2 Nephi 30:10)

This is the cleansing! Which side of the great division will you all choose? 50 percent of the True Church will choose the wrong side (Parable of the Ten Virgins)! And how will you know?

I have heard that parable applied to endowed members of the Church... Many do not keep their temple covenants, probably 50% of them.

Many are called but few are chosen... D&C 121:45

Please explain "Many are called and few are chosen!" Please don't take this personally, I just wish to know where your at scripturally!

Bob

[samizdat]

Had Romney won, bobhenstra, the Church would be in a world of hurt right now, no pun intended.

Sorry Saint samizdat, You know of no such thing---

I'll worry about the USA, you worry about Mexico. When the missionaries are called home, I hope you remain safe!

Saint Bob

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All over Russia thanks to Romney's anti Russian rhetoric, there was a LOT of protests all over Russia virtually on the eve of the election.

This would have gotten ugly. And yes, I did know such things.

[Bgood]

a coup organized and carried out by members of the armed forces

The definition seems simple enough to understand, then why can’t the Obama administration understand that what happened in Egypt was a ‘military coup’? The answer is they do understand, but are hoping U.S. Military Commanders are not paying attention and listening.
Could a military coup happen in America, during the reign of Dictator Obama? This would lead to extreme violence in America and I hope it never comes to this, but there are without a doubt U.S. military Generals who are not happy with the Communist run style he is running our government.Obama is leading our country in the wrong direction. For those who are keeping up with current times and issues, it is no secret Obama and his flunkies do not like America, and I would go as far as saying Obama hates this beautiful country.What would it be like if U.S. military leaders decided to oust Dictator Obama. Many people believe it would take an enormous amount of money, personnel, and time. In reality it would happen just as fast as it did in Egypt.Are there U.S. Generals who would take this drastic step to save America. At this time I do not believe there are military leaders who would risk their careers to save America. I do believe there are U.S. Generals who despise Obama and his anti-American leadership methods.

If martial law were ever declared by Dictator Obama, I believe this would be the turning point in the decision making process of American Generals. U.S. military leaders have always acted on what is in the best interest of our country. They would not allow it to be destroyed by self interest mongers such as the Obama administration, the liberal media, and Islamic based terrorist supporters in America.
During a military coup it would take the public opinion of the public to push American Generals forward. This happened in Egypt. A military coup would lead to violence in America as we have not seen since the civil war.Dictator Obama and his crew have not thought about the possibility his own military could attempt a coup? There is little doubt they have. This is the only reason Obama attempts to placate U.S. military personnel. He needs them on his side if he is to succeed in destroying America.

The big question is, would military leaders in America have enough public support to carry out such an operation? Publicly most Americans would say no, but I believe behind the scenes at least 50% of the population would.Islam and their supporting liberals are doing their very best to destroy America. Will it can? Will U.S. military leaders allow it to happen?



For our children I hope military leaders do not have to engage in a military coup in America. The only true victims in any war are the children.

[InfoWarrior82]

Hmm, look at how those here are attempting to distract us by turning the subject to football-----

Is it a distraction by pointing out that America has been in the midst of a coup d etat since Woodrow Wilson and EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION SINCE THEN? I think not, Bob.