America in the midst of a coup d etat

[bobhenstra]

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[Original_Intent]

The thing about Rush is even in this article he is worried about it BECAUSE OF WHO IS DOING IT. He comes right out and says it at least twice. He says we know who these people are and we know what their goals are and THAT is why we need to be worried.

I am glad he is bringing this to people's attention, but it is pretty obvious he wouldn't be all that worried if a GOP president was dong this stuff. People are idiots. You can't condemn the other side for doing it and then turn a blind eye or make excuses for your own party.

People from both parties need to UNITE and hold elected officials to their oath to the Constitution. Won't happen though, it might as be a Utah college football rivalry, that's the mentality of most Americans, sadly.

[BroJones]

Agreeing with O_I's concerns. The gadiantons have "obtained the sole management of the government", as the Book of Helaman (chapter 6) states - I believe prophetically. The old Democrat-vs-Republican paradigm is a distorted optic, basically a distraction at this stage to what is really going on.

[skmo]

...it might as be a Utah college football rivalry...

This brings up a good point: I remember bck in the Reagan Era, election maps showed republican wins in blue, dumbocrap wins in red. This made more sense to me as red is the color for commies. What happened? Blue is clearly the color to cheer for in Utah Football (and I don't mean the Aggies) and during the Reagan Era it was much easier to cheer for the blue side.

[mes5464]

But, it is clear from the list of infractions that have been committed by government that we are, as Elder Packer said, "behind enemy lines", and as Elder J. F. Smith said, "Satan is in control now". Now, more than any other time in history, we can see the hallmarks and the true face of the enemy, and he is bothering less and less to hide himself.

[samizdat]

Red is the color to cheer for in Utah football. You know, that university on the hill

Not unless you want to cheer for the Logan blues, given that they are improving steadily.

BYU will be lucky to go to a bowl game with their schedule. And yes Whittingham is going to make it four in a row!

[bobhenstra]

Hmm, look at how those here are attempting to distract us by turning the subject to football-----

[skmo]

Okay, here's a substantive respone:

Rush has some very good points. Beck has some very good points. Alex Jones has some very good points. None of them will amount to anything in the way of creating positive change because they choose to be sensationalistic boobs to get rabid followings for ratings rather than try to be legitimate.

[bobhenstra]

It's we who must be legitimate!

Getting back to Steve's comment concerning the types and shadow prophecies contained in Helaman, his point being, do we recognize the prophecies as they relate to our day? Is there more in Helaman 6 that should concern us, more than the single verse Steve quoted? More that will help us with our understanding of this last days topic?

I've done this before in an attempt to get feedback and perhaps teach us a bit more about these last day we are blessed to be a part of, AND, if you don't consider your participation in this extremely important time that has been prophesied for centuries as a blessing, then that fact simply says your not prepared! we're here, we're it, we simply must understand, OR FAIL OUR MORTAL EXPERIENCE!

Besides Steve's quote which I have marked, what else should we see?

1 And it came to pass that when the sixty and second year of the reign of the judges had ended, all these things had happened and the Lamanites had become, the more part of them, a righteous people, insomuch that their righteousness did exceed that of the Nephites, because of their firmness and their steadiness in the faith.

2 For behold, there were many of the Nephites who had become hardened and impenitent and grossly wicked, insomuch that they did reject the word of God and all the preaching and prophesying which did come among them.

3 Nevertheless, the people of the church did have great joy because of the conversion of the Lamanites, yea, because of the church of God, which had been established among them. And they did fellowship one with another, and did rejoice one with another, and did have great joy.

4 And it came to pass that many of the Lamanites did come down into the land of Zarahemla, and did declare unto the people of the Nephites the manner of their conversion, and did exhort them to faith and repentance.

5 Yea, and many did preach with exceedingly great power and authority, unto the bringing down many of them into the depths of humility, to be the humble followers of God and the Lamb.

6 And it came to pass that many of the Lamanites did go into the land northward; and also Nephi and Lehi went into the land northward, to preach unto the people. And thus ended the sixty and third year.

7 And behold, there was peace in all the land, insomuch that the Nephites did go into whatsoever part of the land they would, whether among the Nephites or the Lamanites.

8 And it came to pass that the Lamanites did also go whithersoever they would, whether it were among the Lamanites or among the Nephites; and thus they did have free intercourse one with another, to buy and to sell, and to get gain, according to their desire.

9 And it came to pass that they became exceedingly rich, both the Lamanites and the Nephites; and they did have an exceeding plenty of gold, and of silver, and of all manner of precious metals, both in the land south and in the land north.

10 Now the land south was called Lehi, and the land north was called Mulek, which was after the cson of Zedekiah; for the Lord did bring Mulek into the land north, and Lehi into the land south.

11 And behold, there was all manner of gold in both these lands, and of silver, and of precious ore of every kind; and there were also curious workmen, who did work all kinds of ore and did refine it; and thus they did become rich.

12 They did raise grain in abundance, both in the north and in the south; and they did flourish exceedingly, both in the north and in the south. And they did multiply and wax exceedingly strong in the land. And they did raise many flocks and herds, yea, many fatlings.

13 Behold their women did toil and spin, and did make all manner of cloth, of fine-twined linen and cloth of every kind, to clothe their nakedness. And thus the sixty and fourth year did pass away in peace.

14 And in the sixty and fifth year they did also have great joy and peace, yea, much preaching and many prophecies concerning that which was to come. And thus passed away the sixty and fifth year.

15 And it came to pass that in the sixty and sixth year of the reign of the judges, behold, Cezoram was murdered by an unknown hand as he sat upon the judgment-seat. And it came to pass that in the same year, that his son, who had been appointed by the people in his stead, was also murdered. And thus ended the sixty and sixth year.

16 And in the commencement of the sixty and seventh year the people began to grow exceedingly wicked again.

17 For behold, the Lord had blessed them so long with the riches of the world that they had not been stirred up to anger, to wars, nor to bloodshed; therefore they began to set their hearts upon their riches; yea, they began to seek to get gain that they might be lifted up one above another; therefore they began to commit secret murders, and to rob and to plunder, that they might get gain.

18 And now behold, those murderers and plunderers were a band who had been formed by Kishkumen and Gadianton. And now it had come to pass that there were many, even among the Nephites, of Gadianton’s band. But behold, they were more numerous among the more wicked part of the Lamanites. And they were called Gadianton’s robbers and murderers.

19 And it was they who did murder the chief judge Cezoram, and his son, while in the judgment-seat; and behold, they were not found.

20 And now it came to pass that when the Lamanites found that there were robbers among them they were exceedingly sorrowful; and they did use every means in their power to destroy them off the face of the earth.

21 But behold, Satan did stir up the hearts of the more part of the Nephites, insomuch that they did unite with those bands of robbers, and did enter into their covenants and their oaths, that they would protect and preserve one another in whatsoever difficult circumstances they should be placed, that they should not suffer for their murders, and their plunderings, and their stealings.

22 And it came to pass that they did have their signs, yea, their secret signs, and their secret words; and this that they might distinguish a brother who had entered into the covenant, that whatsoever wickedness his brother should do he should not be injured by his brother, nor by those who did belong to his band, who had taken this covenant.

23 And thus they might murder, and plunder, and steal, and commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness, contrary to the laws of their country and also the laws of their God.

24 And whosoever of those who belonged to their band should reveal unto the world of their wickedness and their abominations, should be tried, not according to the laws of their country, but according to the laws of their wickedness, which had been given by Gadianton and Kishkumen.

25 Now behold, it is these secret oaths and covenants which Alma commanded his son should not go forth unto the world, lest they should be a means of bringing down the people unto destruction.

26 Now behold, those secret oaths and covenants did not come forth unto Gadianton from the records which were delivered unto Helaman; but behold, they were put into the heart of Gadianton by that same being who did entice our first parents to partake of the forbidden fruit—

27 Yea, that same being who did plot with Cain, that if he would murder his brother Abel it should not be known unto the world. And he did plot with Cain and his followers from that time forth.

28 And also it is that same being who put it into the hearts of the people to build a tower sufficiently high that they might get to heaven. And it was that same being who led on the people who came from that tower into this land; who spread the works of darkness and abominations over all the face of the land, until he dragged the people down to an entire destruction, and to an everlasting hell.

29 Yea, it is that same being who put it into the heart of Gadianton to still carry on the work of darkness, and of secret murder; and he has brought it forth from the beginning of man even down to this time.

30 And behold, it is he who is the author of all sin. And behold, he doth carry on his works of darkness and secret murder, and doth hand down their plots, and their oaths, and their covenants, and their plans of awful wickedness, from generation to generation according as he can get hold upon the hearts of the children of men.

31 And now behold, he had got great hold upon the hearts of the Nephites; yea, insomuch that they had become exceedingly wicked; yea, the more part of them had turned out of the away of righteousness, and did trample under their feet the commandments of God, and did turn unto their own ways, and did build up unto themselves idols of their gold and their silver.

32 And it came to pass that all these iniquities did come unto them in the space of not many years, insomuch that a more part of it had come unto them in the sixty and seventh year of the reign of the judges over the people of Nephi.

33 And they did grow in their iniquities in the sixty and eighth year also, to the great sorrow and lamentation of the righteous.

34 And thus we see that the Nephites did begin to dwindle in unbelief, and grow in wickedness and abominations, while the Lamanites began to grow exceedingly in the knowledge of their God; yea, they did begin to keep his statutes and commandments, and to walk in truth and uprightness before him.

35 And thus we see that the Spirit of the Lord began to withdraw from the Nephites, because of the wickedness and the hardness of their hearts.

36 And thus we see that the Lord began to pour out his Spirit upon the Lamanites, because of their easiness and willingness to believe in his words.

37 And it came to pass that the Lamanites did hunt the band of robbers of Gadianton; and they did preach the word of God among the more wicked part of them, insomuch that this band of robbers was utterly destroyed from among the Lamanites.

38 And it came to pass on the other hand, that the Nephites did build them up and support them, beginning at the more wicked part of them, until they had overspread all the land of the Nephites, and had seduced the more part of the righteous until they had come down to believe in their works and partake of their spoils, and to join with them in their secret murders and combinations.

39 And thus they did obtain the sole management of the government, insomuch that they did trample under their feet and smite and rend and turn their backs upon the poor and the meek, and the humble followers of God.

40 And thus we see that they were in an awful state, and ripening for an everlasting destruction.

41 And it came to pass that thus ended the sixty and eighth year of the reign of the judges over the people of Nephi

Are we part of those "ripe for everlasting destruction?"

[BroJones]

Actually yes, I think so, Bob -- the Book of Mormon is Prophetic for our day, isn't it?

Now this interesting note, sent by a dear friend of mine (Richard S) - from Steve Quayle .com -

ALERTS --DHS INSIDERS ULTIMATE WARNING!
DHS insider: It?s about to get very ugly

By Douglas J. Hagmann

7 June 2013: Something quite unexpected happened just hours ago, in the dark of night, during a two-day layover in Washington, DC. My son and I are scheduled to take part in a seminar outside of Raleigh, North Carolina this weekend, so we combined our travels to include a side-trip to DC for a business meeting we had previously arranged. It was during this layover that something seemingly ripped from the pages of a spy novel took place.

While I was in the middle of a perfectly good and well needed sleep in the very early hours of this morning, I received a message. I cannot disclose how I received this message, at least not now. The discerning reader will understand why, which, by the way, would make a very interesting story alone. The message was extremely clear and precise. I was to meet my high level DHS insider at a very specific location in Washington, DC at a time when most ?normal? people, except third-shift workers are still asleep. And, I was to come alone and make certain that I was not being followed, and I was to leave any cell phone or electronic device behind.

Seriously? I thought, as I was still trying to make sense of it all. Is all this really necessary? Is this really happening? I considered waking my son to accompany me, but opted to follow the instructions to the letter. Besides, I thought, he?s not the most affable middle-of-the-night person. I left a hastily written but detailed note in my hotel room before my departure in the event something happened. I looked at the digital clock on my rental car (my personal car would never survive our long distance trip). It was 3:20 a.m.

The meeting

I felt like I was part of a spy movie set in our nation?s capital. A chill rose up my spine as I waited in the dark of a chilly, misty and foggy pre-dawn morning. I was to meet with my DHS insider source at a time when most of the nation is asleep, at a place I could swear was featured in the movie All the President?s Men. No one and I mean no one knows I?m here, I thought, as I could see one of the most recognizable national landmarks in the distance.

My source appeared out of nowhere, or so it seemed, and handed me a cup of coffee with the astute observation that I looked like I needed it. So tell me, I asked impatiently, why do we have to meet at this time, at this location, and under such specific circumstances? ?Because this might be our last meeting,? he stated.

Maybe it was the lack of sleep, the time, the place, or the chill of the misty rain that caused my sense of foreboding. ?Explain,? I asked in an almost demanding tone. So he did, without mincing words.

The details

?If anyone thinks that what?s going on right now with all of this surveillance of American citizens is to fight some sort of foreign enemy, they?re delusional. If people think that this ?scandal? can?t get any worse, it will, hour by hour, day by day. This has the ability to bring down our national leadership, the administration and other senior elected officials working in collusion with this administration, both Republican and Democrats. People within the NSA, the Department of Justice, and others, they know who they are, need to come forth with the documentation of ?policy and practice? in their possession, disclose what they know, fight what?s going on, and just do their job. I have never seen anything like this, ever. The present administration is going after leakers, media sources, anyone and everyone who is even suspected of ?betrayal.? That?s what they call it, ?betrayal.? Can you believe the size of their cahones? This administration considers anyone telling the truth about Benghazi, the IRS, hell, you name the issue, ?betrayal,?? he said.

?We know all this already,? I stated. He looked at me, giving me a look like I?ve never seen, and actually pushed his finger into my chest. ?You don?t know jack,? he said, ?this is bigger than you can imagine, bigger than anyone can imagine. This administration is collecting names of sources, whistle blowers and their families, names of media sources and everybody they talk to and have talked to, and they already have a huge list. If you?re not working for MSNBC or CNN, you?re probably on that list. If you are a website owner with a brisk readership and a conservative bent, you?re on that list. It?s a political dissident list, not an enemy threat list,? he stated.

?What?s that exactly mean, being on that list, that is,? I asked, trying to make sense of it all.

?It means that there will be censorship under the color of authority of anyone in the U.S. who is attempting to expose what?s going on in our name. It?s about controlling any damning information from reaching epidemic proportions. It?s damage control to the extreme. It?s about the upcoming censorship of the internet in the name of national security. The plans are already in place. These latest reports about ?spying eyes? have turned this administration and others connected to it into something very, very dangerous. They feel cornered and threatened, and I?m hearing about some plans they have to shut down the flow of information that is implicating them of wrongdoing. Time is short,? he stated.

?How are they going to do this? How is it even possible?? I asked.

?First, they intend to use the Justice Department to silence journalists like in the Rosen case, but they won?t stop there. They will use a host of national security policies, laws, letters, whatever to take out the bigger threats,? he stated.

Next, they will use some sort of excuse, an external threat, and I believe it will be a combination of the economic collapse and a Mid-East war that will begin in Syria to throttle the information that is accessible on the Internet. And you know what? People will believe it!?

Based on what I?ve seen, most of which I should not have seen, the DHS is co-ordinating efforts with other federal agencies to begin to threaten American citizens with incarceration for non-compliance. You know the old talk of color coded lists? Well, this is what they will be using. People exposing the truth about Benghazi, killing the U.S. Dollar, even those questioning Obama?s legal status and eligibility to be President are the current targets. And they?ve had five long years to get to this point. The ugly truth is that these policies and practices did not start under Obama, but long before. This is about the killing of our Constitutional Republic. The murder of our country and the stripping of our rights. While many have been preoccupied with one issue, few have seen the bigger issue. This is the ?end game,? for all the marbles,? he stated.

More to come

?Please,? pleaded my source, ?get this information out while you can. Tell people what I?m saying, that we don?t have much time, that after the latest exposure of spying, Obama, Jarrett, Axelrod, and others, including members of Congress, have put their plans into high gear. This is about the Marxist takeover of America. This is about our country being able to survive another July 4th holiday. This is about a world war about to break out that will kill millions of people, all because of the agenda of this administration.?

?They are very dangerous and will do anything and everything to stop the onslaught of negative information that?s being reported by the main stream media. But only about one quarter of the real information is being reported. The other three quarters will be the game changer. But first, tell people what I?ve said. Let them know that more will follow but get this information out right now while the internet is still relatively free. Do it today.?

My source provided additional information, but I am abiding by his wish to get this much out. I am writing now to let people know that we are in for seriously dangerous times ahead. Deadly times. War, and censorship under the color of authority and under the pretext of of national security. It?s about to get a lot uglier. Stay tuned.

"under the pretext of national security" - indeed! compare the war in heaven, Moses chapter 4.

[jcricket6048]

Agreeing with O_I's concerns. The gadiantons have "obtained the sole management of the government", as the Book of Helaman (chapter 6) states - I believe prophetically. The old Democrat-vs-Republican paradigm is a distorted optic, basically a distraction at this stage to what is really going on.

To me Dr Jones the Democrats and the Republicans are no different

[skmo]

To me Dr Jones the Democrats and the Republicans are no different

You're wrong. The republicans want to shut you up because they are doing god's work. The democrats want to shut you up because you believe in god.

How this difference is important eludes me, but I believe it's similar to whether you fall from a window and die of cement poisoning or deceleration trauma.

[Fort Nine]

but it is pretty obvious he wouldn't be all that worried if a GOP president was dong this stuff. People are idiots. You can't condemn the other side for doing it and then turn a blind eye or make excuses for your own party.

Who's the idiot here? A real conservative--which Rush is--would raise the alarm if Republicans were doing the spying--and they were spying. It just happens that the truth is finally coming out.

[Original_Intent]

but it is pretty obvious he wouldn't be all that worried if a GOP president was dong this stuff. People are idiots. You can't condemn the other side for doing it and then turn a blind eye or make excuses for your own party.

Who's the idiot here? A real conservative--which Rush is--would raise the alarm if Republicans were doing the spying--and they were spying. It just happens that the truth is finally coming out.

I'd say the idiot would be the person that ignores the fact that civil libertarians were warning that the Patriot Act opened the door for exactly this kind of abuse, and what you call "true conservatives" but I call Neo Con traitors would hear none of it - after all they were in charge, nothing bad ever happens when your party is in power - and it doesn't matter which party is yours, many liberal Dems are in as much denial with Obama as the so called conservatives were with all the crap that went on under Bush.

So I'd say the idiot is someone who thinks that there is much difference IN ACTUAL POLICY between the two parties. Their differences are largely rhetorical and a Punch and Judy show for the "idiot" masses.

And anyone that holds, Rush, Hannity, or O'Reilly in high regard as examples of "true conservatives" definitely deserve the label.

[ajax]

Rush was for the Patriot Act.

[bobhenstra]

Unimportant arguments, what do the types and shadows say? Those examples are for us only, no other people has them!

[Bgood]

American Military Coup,Best And Only Hope? (d'etat) is an organized action by the armed forces of a country meant to overthrow and replace its government. It can be successful (the former government is replaced by a new one controlled by the military) or not (the government stays in power), it can be temporary (the military relinquishes power quickly) or permanent (the military remains in control for lengthy periods of time), bloody or bloodless.
It is different from a civil war, since a coup is a top-down action, controlled and generated from an existing structure of the state against another, rather than a bottom-up action of rebellion against the whole government coming from non-governament actors (as in the case of a revolution), as is different from a civil war (where two factions, typically a governmental and non-governmental actor fight for power in a bloody war for lengthy periods), since a coup can be both non-bloody and short in duration.

[Bgood]

This might sound, “less than responsible” but I sincerely hope Rush is right and it all comes to a head soon. It will give OUR side a chance to see who all OUR enemies are and why they are OUR enemies.

I believe there are a lot more on OUR side than theirs, especially after their side trashes the constitution and start eliminating all the freebies and start taxing at an unreasonable rate. I have a feeling anyone who cannot pay taxes will somehow be eliminated.

Its time for true patriots to stand up and be counted. OUR military will be depending on your support. If we had responsible representation in Congress and the Senate, obama would have been history a long time ago. Bargaining is quickly becoming an obsolete tool.

[Sheol27]

Unimportant arguments, what do the types and shadows say? Those examples are for us only, no other people has them!

It's actually pretty amazing how many types and shadows are in there. It's like when reading the Book of Mormon we are reading the script for our day. This almost takes the surprise out of life though......

Saint Bobby and others, your input on "turn their backs upon the poor and the meek, and the humble followers of God" would be great? How are ways that the LDG's are turning their backs on the poor? Worsening the economy? What are ways they are turning their backs on the humble followers of God? Are you referring to have more immoral laws? Discrimination against Christians?

I enjoy these LDG conversations more when more scriptures like these are used. Thanks Bob!

[bobhenstra]

Thank you Saint Sheol, it's all about our understanding and our own preparation, understanding the prophets and how prepared we are! Isaiah explains the LDG's turn their back on the poor by building large houses, more than they need; A small part of Washington DC is the richest area in our country!

Our own preparations will determine how each of us do during this cleansing. I have declared several times that I believe O will be done in, I believe he is the type explained in Helaman chapters 7-8. John Kennedy and his brother Bobby Kennedy are the types killed by the LDG's in Helaman chapter 6. Organized crime killed the Kennedy's using dupes they recruited, they'll kill O. We just need look at what's happening right before our faces.

We must understand that types and shadows are examples of events, not exact copies of events, just as our shadow is not an exact copy of ourselves.But all is not lost if we are prepared!

Look at how Harold be Lee explained the process to us.

Harold B. Lee's Quote on America:

"Men may fail in this country, earthquakes may come, seas may heave beyond their bounds, there may be great drought, disaster, and hardship, but this nation, founded on principles laid down by men whom God raised up, will never fail. This is the cradle of humanity, where life on this earth began in the Garden of Eden. This is the place of the new Jerusalem. This is the place that the Lord said is favored above all other nations in all the world. This is the place where the Savior will come to His temple. This is the favored land in all the world. Yes, I repeat, men may fail, but this nation won't fail. I have faith in America; you and I must have faith in America , if we understand the teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ. We are living in a day when we must pay heed to these challenges. I plead with you not to preach pessimism. Preach that this is the greatest country in all the world. This is the favored land. This is the land of our forefathers. It is the nation that will stand despite whatever trials or crises it may yet have to pass through.
(Ye Are the Light of the World, 350-51)

Rush may see a bit, it's a fact that his wife's family is in Utah. I have heard him speak of the people of this country dividing into tribes, a quote from the Book of Mormon, but today's type will be cities and states!

We simply must heed the prophets, be prepared in every needful thing, and we'll be fine, much tougher physically, humble, mentally meek, a prayerful penitent people, refined and just fine!

Saint Bobby!

[Original_Intent]

Thank you Saint Sheol, it's all about our understanding and our own preparation, understanding the prophets and how prepared we are! Isaiah explains the LDG's turn their back on the poor by building large houses, more than they need;

Bob, I truly loved most of your post; and I don't disagree with the above quoted part, either, and just wanted to thank you for acknowledging that Mitt Romney is an LDG. One type and shadow you missed - King Hezekiah he ain't!

[Fairminded]

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is as follows:

R: "Vote for us because we promise to stop abortion and protect your gun rights without ever going farther than that and yet you still support us. Also we mention God every now and then because it's a ratings 3-pointer."

D: "Vote for us because you're a minority or live at the poverty level and we promise to champion your interests while actually exploiting you and bribing your most influential voices to sway the rest of you into doing what we want. Also we mention equal rights and tsk at racism to boost our polls."

First the right wing flaps, then the left wing, and then the right wing again, and the eagle keeps on limping forward with citizens hoping each new regime swap will change things for the better.

[Sheol27]

Thank you Saint Sheol, it's all about our understanding and our own preparation, understanding the prophets and how prepared we are! Isaiah explains the LDG's turn their back on the poor by building large houses, more than they need;

Bob, I truly loved most of your post; and I don't disagree with the above quoted part, either, and just wanted to thank you for acknowledging that Mitt Romney is an LDG. One type and shadow you missed - King Hezekiah he ain't!

I used to want to be really rich but after some life changing incidents in my life I realize now that those things are so finite. The things that are not of the world are what are important. Love, charity, faith, etc.

Mitt Romney could share more than he does but he does still have some good traits.

I believe that sharing the wealth helps the one sharing more than the one receiving. Spiritual blessings are of much more import! Christ can heal all things. In the next life it won't matter who was rich and who wasn't.

But yes indeed building up to yourself more than what is necessary and not sharing is an LDG thing to do.....

[Sheol27]

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is as follows:

R: "Vote for us because we promise to stop abortion and protect your gun rights without ever going farther than that and yet you still support us. Also we mention God every now and then because it's a ratings 3-pointer."

D: "Vote for us because you're a minority or live at the poverty level and we promise to champion your interests while actually exploiting you and bribing your most influential voices to sway the rest of you into doing what we want. Also we mention equal rights and tsk at racism to boost our polls."

First the right wing flaps, then the left wing, and then the right wing again, and the eagle keeps on limping forward with citizens hoping each new regime swap will change things for the better.

Let me take this a step further with the R's. IMHO, mentioning God to gain votes is using God for personal gain. By definition that is priestcrafts.

[bobhenstra]

Thank you Saint Sheol, it's all about our understanding and our own preparation, understanding the prophets and how prepared we are! Isaiah explains the LDG's turn their back on the poor by building large houses, more than they need;

Bob, I truly loved most of your post; and I don't disagree with the above quoted part, either, and just wanted to thank you for acknowledging that Mitt Romney is an LDG. One type and shadow you missed - King Hezekiah he ain't!

Lol, Kevin, I never acknowledged any such thing! And you certainly did your part in making sure our Hezekiah wasn't elected, and this after your guy did nothing but quit, and flash his backside at you his "supporters?" (something to do with athletics???)! And Kev, just look at what we got--

I'll bet your rolling in happy ) ) )

bobBY