LDS Freedom Forum

TZONE wrote:Elder Bednar has a way with words. I have more reverence for him than almost any apostle. He was the first to offend me I have gained more gratitude for him and his dedication to the Lord than most people I know. He spends more time in the book of Mormon than anyone I have ever met. (Knowledge of it)

Original_Intent wrote:

Daryl wrote:...The teachings of Elder Bednar in the last CES broadcast when he talked about having faith not to be healed with this scripture passage. A warning for future generations - us, today!

Disclaimer: I am not saying Elder Bednar is wrong. I am trying to reconcile the scripture with what Elder Bednar professed.

3 Nephi 29:5 Wo unto him that spurneth at the doings of the Lord; yea, wo unto him that shall deny the Christ and his works!

6 Yea, wo unto him that shall deny the revelations of the Lord, and that shall say the Lord no longer worketh by revelation, or by prophecy, or by gifts, or by tongues, or by healings, or by the power of the Holy Ghost!

7 Yea, and wo unto him that shall say at that day, to get gain, that there can be no miracle wrought by Jesus Christ; for he that doeth this shall become like unto the son of perdition, for whom there was no mercy, according to the word of Christ!

Look, call me condemning, to me the above, especially the highlights, can only be interpreted as "Wo unto Elder Bednar for (doing the stuff in red text)!"

Now if anyone wants to take that as innocent "I have a question, I need reconciled", that's your prerogative. To me, it falls into a pattern that a few posters seem to tend towards, which is all too much like the "innocent" questions of the scribes and pharisees asking "should we pay taxes to the Romans?" "What is the greatest law?" and "behold here are these six ontis of silver, which I will give to you if you deny the Christ." Now if that gets me booted off LDSFF, that's fine. I said before, only Daryl and the Lord know his intent - you can call that MY disclaimer if you want. But when you see people (not Daryl in this case) BEARING TESITMONY that they KNOW that none of the twelve or the First Presidency have seen Christ, but Denver has....I think that's about the time that if that kind of attitude is allowed, it is time to remove the "LDS" from "LDSFF". And I find it ironic that I get booted for suggesting that some of Denver's follower's go too far and engage in idol worship, yet those who still have faith in the church leadership are told the same thing ALL THE TIME with no repercussions!

And I'm not angry, I am just in shock at the hypocrisy and the changes to LDSFF in the past year or so. It's no wonder that so many people have left and quit posting, I guess they just saw the writing on the wall sooner than I did.

Jonny wrote:

ajax wrote:

TZONE wrote:Am I not understanding the issue here?

I think part of the issue here is Bro. Bednar's phrase, "do you have the faith not to be healed". This could easily turn into the go to catch-phrase for healing failures, or morph into other things like "do you have faith not to see an angel".

I 100% agree! It is the statement 'do you have faith NOT to be healed' that is questionable. I do not question Bednars sincerity, but this phrase is damnable. Faith is healing. Faith is NOT, 'not healing'! Now if the phrase was, 'do you TRUST God whether He heals you or not' it would be fine. I give Bednar the benefit of the doubt and I too like the ultimate message of trusting God, I just cannot accept a phrase so laden with contradictions and just plain false doctrine. It takes ZERO faith to NOT be healed. I can 'NOT be healed' just by curling up in the fetal position and dying. Where is the faith in that? Faith requires something and I agree that sometimes that includes trusting God, but that is trust or faith in Gods will, rather than faith not to be healed. But who am I? If this helps you to the Master, good. If not discard it.