Violence and Civil War

[itsmerich]

It's disturbing to hear so many LDS clamor to their weapons of war, threatening secession and war should the government take away their freedoms.

"Thou shalt not Kill"
"He who lives by the sword, will die by the sword"
"bury your weapons of war"
"love your enemies, do good unto them, pray for them, bless them"
"turn the other cheek"
"VENGEANCE is mine saith the Lord"
Let these passages ring into your soul - these are truths given time and time again.
"Blessed is the peace maker"

If the guns get confiscated, so what. This does not give the LDS a right to take up arms and shed blood. Shed blood for what? A weapon? A "right"? I haven't heard of any prophecy of the LDS fighting wars like the Nephites did. The Lord will guide us and fight our battles - and if commanded then we fight. Until then, we do what we can within the confines of our laws - we are supposed to be a peaceful people. Not itching to fight, no desirous to fight.

We won't need weapons in the coming years, we trust our Father and listen to his prophets. We've been asked to have food storage, not an ammo depot. If we die, then we die without blood on our hands - and die as martyrs. How much more blessed will it be in the next life.

Some may say we must defend to the death our "rights" and homes. You can do that, but as a sheder of blood do you want that on your hands? Choose the path of peace, prayer and remembering all the Savior taught us about enemies/war. You can choose to nit pick what you want to read/understand but it's been laid out before you.

Do I support gun rights - I sure do - but not at the expense of killing another for that right.

[Fairminded]

Do I support gun rights - I sure do - but not at the expense of killing another for that right.

I've been on this forum a long time, and I have to say this sentence is a serious contender for most ironic I've seen.

I'm glad you posted your thoughts, and never be afraid to do so, but I doubt your words will find a good reception among freedom lovers. Even Joseph Smith pulled out a gun to defend himself when they came to kill him, although he was "lawfully" imprisoned and his jailors were aiding and abetting his murderers. When the people of Nauvoo surrendered their weapons to the mob it paved the way for one of the most tragic events in Church history.

God supports the shedding of blood in the defense of that which is most precious. If you can't bring yourself to shed blood in your defense or the defense of loved ones that's your personal choice, but you'll be held accountable every bit as much as those who do.

[mes5464]

Do I support gun rights - I sure do - but not at the expense of killing another for that right.

I've been on this forum a long time, and I have to say this sentence is a serious contender for most ironic I've seen.

I'm glad you posted your thoughts, and never be afraid to do so, but I doubt your words will find a good reception among freedom lovers. Even Joseph Smith pulled out a gun to defend himself when they came to kill him, although he was "lawfully" imprisoned and his jailors were aiding and abetting his murderers. When the people of Nauvoo surrendered their weapons to the mob it paved the way for one of the most tragic events in Church history.

God supports the shedding of blood in the defense of that which is most precious. If you can't bring yourself to shed blood in your defense or the defense of loved ones that's your personal choice, but you'll be held accountable every bit as much as those who do.

Amen!

[Bgood]

Do I support gun rights - I sure do - but not at the expense of killing another for that right.

I've been on this forum a long time, and I have to say this sentence is a serious contender for most ironic I've seen.

I'm glad you posted your thoughts, and never be afraid to do so, but I doubt your words will find a good reception among freedom lovers. Even Joseph Smith pulled out a gun to defend himself when they came to kill him, although he was "lawfully" imprisoned and his jailors were aiding and abetting his murderers. When the people of Nauvoo surrendered their weapons to the mob it paved the way for one of the most tragic events in Church history.

God supports the shedding of blood in the defense of that which is most precious. If you can't bring yourself to shed blood in your defense or the defense of loved ones that's your personal choice, but you'll be held accountable every bit as much as those who do.

:ymapplause:

[Bgood]

In other words, the war that is to break out in the end times upon all nations will start in Kirtland Ohio.

I realize this suggestion will seem very strange, but I think that time will bear me out on this.

(Kirtland has yet to play an incredible role in prophecy)

There are two things to consider that support this supposition.

The first is that virtually always the term “this place” in other modern scriptures has reference to WHERE the revelation was given, regardless of whether it was given in the land of Zion or Kirtland, etc.

Here are just a few examples of how the term is being used in modern revelation when referring to Kirtland, when the revelation was given in Kirtland-

“And from THIS PLACE ye shall go forth into the regions westward”

“for this is not wisdom until the residue of the church, which remaineth in THIS PLACE, shall go up unto the land of Zion.”

“Tarry ye, tarry ye in THIS PLACE, and call a solemn assembly, even of those who are the first laborers in this last kingdom.”

Secondly, I would suggest that other prophecies support the supposition that the vengeance of the Lord that begins the desolation and wars that break out all over the world at some time in the future, will begin at the House of the Lord (Kirtland Temple).

Here is an example-

Section 112-

“Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.
25 And upon MY HOUSE shall it begin, and from MY HOUSE shall it go forth, saith the Lord… concerning the affairs of my church in THIS PLACE, saith the Lord;

Section 133 provides a possible second witness for the supposition in section 112 that the vengeance of the Lord will begin at the Kirtland Temple-

The Lord who shall suddenly COME TO HIS TEMPLE; the Lord who shall come down upon the world with a curse to judgment; yea, UPON ALL THE NATIONS that forget God, and upon all the ungodly among you.
3 For he shall make bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of their God.

Lastly, I would suggest that “SLAVES” is not referring to a race war between blacks and whites.

Rather it is referring to the inhabitants of this nations who for many years naively thought that they were a free people, but they eventually awake to the shocking realization that they are in financial and temporal bondage to a secret combination that controls the fiat currency, economy and political mechanisms of the nation and world.

“slaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshaled and disciplined for war”

This interpretation and the fact that an angry group of people will marshal themselves against the PTB is supported by the Book of Mormon and also by an unpublished revelation that predicts that angry men will destroy the government when they finally figure out how the PTB have enslaved Americans and stolen the wealth of the masses in America.

I realize these interpretations seem ridiculous at this time, but things can change very quickly and time will tell.

[Nephi294]

It's disturbing to hear so many LDS clamor to their weapons of war, threatening secession and war should the government take away their freedoms.

"Thou shalt not Kill"
"He who lives by the sword, will die by the sword"
"bury your weapons of war"
"love your enemies, do good unto them, pray for them, bless them"
"turn the other cheek"
"VENGEANCE is mine saith the Lord"
Let these passages ring into your soul - these are truths given time and time again.
"Blessed is the peace maker"

If the guns get confiscated, so what. This does not give the LDS a right to take up arms and shed blood. Shed blood for what? A weapon? A "right"? I haven't heard of any prophecy of the LDS fighting wars like the Nephites did. The Lord will guide us and fight our battles - and if commanded then we fight. Until then, we do what we can within the confines of our laws - we are supposed to be a peaceful people. Not itching to fight, no desirous to fight.

We won't need weapons in the coming years, we trust our Father and listen to his prophets. We've been asked to have food storage, not an ammo depot. If we die, then we die without blood on our hands - and die as martyrs. How much more blessed will it be in the next life.

Some may say we must defend to the death our "rights" and homes. You can do that, but as a sheder of blood do you want that on your hands? Choose the path of peace, prayer and remembering all the Savior taught us about enemies/war. You can choose to nit pick what you want to read/understand but it's been laid out before you.

Do I support gun rights - I sure do - but not at the expense of killing another for that right.

Alma 43:47

"And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion."

Enough said :ymparty:

[InfoWarrior82]

It's disturbing to hear so many LDS clamor to their weapons of war, threatening secession and war should the government take away their freedoms.

"Thou shalt not Kill"
"He who lives by the sword, will die by the sword"
"bury your weapons of war"
"love your enemies, do good unto them, pray for them, bless them"
"turn the other cheek"
"VENGEANCE is mine saith the Lord"
Let these passages ring into your soul - these are truths given time and time again.
"Blessed is the peace maker"

If the guns get confiscated, so what. This does not give the LDS a right to take up arms and shed blood. Shed blood for what? A weapon? A "right"? I haven't heard of any prophecy of the LDS fighting wars like the Nephites did. The Lord will guide us and fight our battles - and if commanded then we fight. Until then, we do what we can within the confines of our laws - we are supposed to be a peaceful people. Not itching to fight, no desirous to fight.

We won't need weapons in the coming years, we trust our Father and listen to his prophets. We've been asked to have food storage, not an ammo depot. If we die, then we die without blood on our hands - and die as martyrs. How much more blessed will it be in the next life.

Some may say we must defend to the death our "rights" and homes. You can do that, but as a sheder of blood do you want that on your hands? Choose the path of peace, prayer and remembering all the Savior taught us about enemies/war. You can choose to nit pick what you want to read/understand but it's been laid out before you.

Do I support gun rights - I sure do - but not at the expense of killing another for that right.

I agree that we should not go "looking for a fight". I would argue it's our corrupt government who is looking for a fight. One way or another, regardless of who fires the first shot, a fight is coming. Before that fight comes, you better find out which side is the right side to be on.

Like Original_Intent said in another thread: "If the government tries to infringe on my right to defend myself and my family, THEY have declared war on me."

We have the moral duty to not comply with unconstitutional laws.