Recent talk on constitution at BYU

[InfoWarrior82]

So, looks like Col. Flagg was correct in his guess that this talk on the constitution at BYU was nothing more than an underhanded attempt at bashing it, based on their past record.

Score another for the Col. :ymapplause:

No, not quite. As I posted a few posts up, I had posted this to counter an accusation made by someone a year or so ago on this forum that BYU cared little about the Constitution, etc....when in fact, I have seen symposiums offered several times in the last 10 years that had to do with the Constitution. And by the way, who's keeping score?...this is the attitude of so many here.

Natasha, you completely missed the point. Here's the point one more time: Just because BYU has somebody talk on the constitution, doesn't mean it's pro constitution. At the very least, this talk is neutral. The most glaring thing about this talk is his justification and "oh well" attitude toward those supreme court judges who may very well rule unconstitutionally. He spend his whole career missing the forest from the trees. He claims that it is important to understand the original intent of the constitution, but that it doesn't really matter as long as it happens to disagree with a judge's personal opinion. Knowing the original intent of the constitution is actually quite simple. Not difficult at all.

The thing that bothered me the most is that I learned that he is completely clueless that there is a concerted effort to undermine and destroy this country through the political process. That those who are trying to destroy this nation through socialism and corporatism are merely friendly political opponents. That because people will choose what's wrong for this country is perfectly okay, as long as a judge approves it.

[gclayjr]

buffalo_girl,

Did you miss that Brother Grifith's opening statement was a humorous CRITICISM of legislative folly?

Regards,

George Clay

[Col. Flagg]

So, looks like Col. Flagg was correct in his guess that this talk on the constitution at BYU was nothing more than an underhanded attempt at bashing it, based on their past record.

Score another for the Col. :ymapplause:

Thanks IW, but it's not my intent to score points or 'show-up' others... I just want the truth and facts to be known, nothing more. And in this case, BYU has shown no attempt to embrace the Constitution in recent years and their actions prove it. Shame on them. Do you know how easily BYU could have picked up the phone and contacted Ron Paul's people to ask if he'd like to speak at BYU while he was here when he spoke at Utah Valley University in the early fall of 2012? But they didn't... can't leave the impression in the feds' minds that they might actually stand for something or that they might be drifting away from embracing their corruption, lies and deceit - 'tis better for NWO, CFR and Neo-Con thugs to speak than anyone who embraces truth, freedom and liberty. :ymapplause:

[buffalo_girl]

It is a distinct honor to be with you as we mark Constitution Day. As you may know, by gathering today we act in obedience to a congressional mandate that every educational institution receiving federal funds must, sometime this week, celebrate the approval of the federal Constitution by the Philadelphia convention on September 17, 1787.1 This law was sponsored by the late Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, who was an enthusiastic student of the Constitution. Not surprising, the law provided no funding for the celebration. In other words, it is yet another unfunded mandate. Perhaps I shouldn’t mention this at the beginning of my remarks, but the law also lacks any enforcement provision. In other words, you cannot be arrested for leaving early.

If that's humor, I DID miss it!

We get a 20 page USDA Farm Census every five years. It's a MANDATE, too. Although threatened with outrageous 'fines' if the farmer fails to respond by a given date or if he fails to answer correctly and/or completely - as YET - there have been no penalties imposed. We do receive harassing phone calls from the USDA department at the Ag College.

Frankly, I don't find ANYTHING funny about MANDATES from government entities. I personally, consider them arrogant intrusions on my unalienable rights as a free citizen.

How is it possible to MANDATE 'celebration of the Constitution'? Talk about a contradiction-in-terms!!

[skmo]

If BYU cared, really cared about the Constitution they wouldn't have done what they did to Brother Jones. If they have since "seen the light" they should openly ask Jones' forgiveness and ask him to return to his prior teaching profession and they would stop having war criminals/Gadiantons speak on their campus.

"BYU" is not one department. Because one person or one department acted in a way that someone may find disagreeable isn't necessarily reflective of the university as a whole. I had a friend in the Engineering department who had a terrible ordeal. Whn he was finishing his Masters, he made some discoveries that were groundbreaking, patentable kinds of things. He registered his patents before he had turned in all of his work for a grade. When he turned his thesis in, his professor took his work, added some of his own research to it and filed for a patent only to be turned down because it was too similar to my friend's. When the prof found out he wasn't going to be able to get his own patent, he rejected the thesis. My friend ended up having to go to the Dean and having an independent review to get his Masters. Needless to say, the
alumni office doesn't get a lot of donations from him even though he's now a senior VP in a major manufacturing company.

They're also susceptible to the same kinds of mistakes we all are. Nevertheless, I can't bring myself to say that BYU, an organization with apostles on its Board of Trustees is as bad as some here make it out to be.

[GeeR]

Don't you believe in the doctrine of tares amongst the wheat in the last days?

[buffalo_girl]

Now, here's a man who seems to comprehend the Bill of Rights! I'll bet he doesn't consider the Constitution for the United States as overly difficult to grasp.

Let's have him address the BYU student body next Constitution Day.

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"Even though the Patriot Act violates at least six of the ten original amendments known as the Bill of Rights—the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Amendments—and possibly the Thirteenth and Fourteenth as well, our government continues to ignore these concerns by forcing new, similar-type legislation upon us.

The Fourth Amendment once stood as the ultimate protection between Americans privacy rights and government abuse of power. Now those rights are gone, law enforcement can break down your door, and as in the case of Jose Guerena, they can kill you; we no longer have the right to liberty nor the right to life. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/2 ... 67020.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

When proposing the creation of the Gestapo in Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler is quoted as saying, “An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland.”

This was the beginning of the Reichssicherheitshauptamt, the main division of the Nazi SS, and the parent organization of the Gestapo. The German word Reich is untranslatable, but you couldn't come closer in contemporary English than homeland. Sicherheit is always translated as security, and Hauptamt literally means main office, which could be reasonably translated as department, and combined, the Department of Homeland Security."

Al Duncan News With Views archive: http://www.newswithviews.com/Duncan/alA.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[freedomforall]

Isn't ANYONE that says the Constitution is outmoded, not for our day, or any other form of discredit...nothing more than a reprobate? Don't people like this even at BYU understand that the Constitution is as Brigham Young describes it?

Brigham Young
There never was a better constitution on the face of the earth than the constitution of the United States. There is nothing but the people of God could enjoy under it. But the Federal constitution is trodden under foot. All that I am afraid of is that the Elders of Israel will forget their God. (July 8, 1849, Journal History of the Church, 3-4)

I arose and spoke substantially as follows:… I love the government and the constitution of the United States, but I do not love the damned rascals who administer the government. (September 8, 1851, Journal History of the Church, 4)

…our national organization originated in the heavens. (April 18, 1852, Messages of the First Presidency, 2:98)

It is true the Constitution has been revised by the voice of the people; but wherein is it bettered? Some say it is bettered; but as to the light and knowledge that now exist with regard to the true spirit of republicanism, the revolution is on the retrograde motion. (July 4, 1854, Journal of Discourses, 7:9)

The General Constitution of our country is good, and a wholesome government could be framed upon it, for it was dictated by the invisible operations of the Almighty….God’s purpose, in raising up these men and inspiring them with daring sufficient to surmount every opposing power, was to prepare the way for the formation of a true Republican government…. The signers of the Declaration of Independence and the framers of the Constitution were inspired from on high to do that work. (July 4, 1854, Journal of Discourses, 7:13-14)

To accuse us of being unfriendly to the Government, is to accuse us of hostility to our religion, for no item of inspiration is held more sacred with us than the Constitution under which she acts. As a religious society, we, in common with all other denominations, claim its protection…. (February 18, 1855, Journal of Discourses, 2:175)

The Constitution and laws of the United States resemble a theocracy more closely than any government now on the earth, or that ever has been, so far as we know, except the government of the children of Israel to the time when they elected a king. (July 31, 1859, Journal of Discourses, 6:342)

[T]he form of the Government of the United States differs but little from that of the kingdom of God. (July 31, 1859, Journal of Discourses, 6:345)

The present Constitution, with a few alterations of a trifling nature, is just as good as we want; and if it is sustained on this land of Joseph, it will be done by us and our posterity. (February 10, 1861, Journal of Discourses, 8:324)

[The Constitution] is the best earthly Government that ever was framed by man, and the true and righteous are alone worthy of it. It cannot long be administered by wicked hands. (August 31, 1862, Journal of Discourses, 9:368)

I want to say to every man, the Constitution of the United States, as formed by our fathers, was dictated, was revealed, was put into their hearts by the Almighty, who sits enthroned in the midst of the heavens; although unknown to them, it was dictated by the revelations of Jesus Christ, and I tell you in the name of Jesus Christ, it is as good as I could ask for. (as quoted in “The Prophets on the Christ,” December 26, 1908, Liahona: The Elders’ Journal, 678)

And further:
First, the Lord Himself has stated unequivocally that He is the Constitution’s Author. Indeed, almost all of the latter-day prophets have declared that the Constitution is a document that was created through the inspiration of the Spirit. Not only are there several passages in our own Restoration scriptures (which most Latter-day Saints should be familiar with), but in the pages that follow there is a veritable avalanche of prophetic testimony bearing solemn witness to this truth.
Second, almost every prophet in this dispensation has emphasized the vital importance of defending, upholding and adhering to the Constitution. The prophets who have spoken on this particular subject have warned us that there is simply no way around this duty if we wish to remain a free people. Our collective future will be affected drastically by our decision to adhere to this counsel—or to ignore or reject it.
Third, several prophets have warned that we have apostatized in various ways from the Constitution, and some of them have spoken of that day of destiny when the Constitution will be on the “very verge of destruction,” or when it will “hang,” as it were, “by a thread.” They also testified that it will be saved before it is completely destroyed.
And fourth, the Constitution’s role goes beyond providing a free nation in which the gospel and true Church could be restored to the earth once again. The Constitution will become the governing system for the whole world during the Millennium. The principles of that great charter will eventually spread over the whole world, and all who are living at that time will abide by them.

The proceeding From: "A Glorious Standard."