18 to 24 Year Olds Forced Into Military Service

[Bgood]

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H.R.748- To require All persons in the United States, ages 18 to 24 years old, to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or as civilian service in a Federal, State, or local government program or with a community-based agency or community-based entity, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to provide for the registration of women under the Military Selective Service Act, and for other purposes.

[gclayjr]

You have a problem with the Draft?

I think if everybody was required to serve our country, we might apprecate it better. If we had a national draft and more politically connected people's children were in the military, maybe our leaders would be a bit more careful about gettng into wars.

Regards,

George Clay

[uglypitbull]

If we had a national draft and more politically connected people's children were in the military, maybe our leaders would be a bit more careful about gettng into wars.

Most managed to avoid it in Vietnam....what makes you think anything would be different here? These ARE the same folks who legalized 'insider trading' for themselves, cushy retirement packages with full benefits and full pay for life, secret service protection for life, etc....

Who's plan was it to 'force' people into doing things? :ymdevil: That's right, a draft VIOLATES peoples agency!

[BroJones]

I wonder if lowering the age needed for LDS missionary service may help our youth stay OUT of the military.

"If we had a national draft and more politically connected people's children were in the military, maybe our leaders would be a bit more careful about gettng into wars. "


Congress generally exempts itself from the laws it passes. Obamacare is just one example. Congresspersons are EXEMPT from Obamacare restrictions and "taxes".

[Istand4truth]

No way will I let my children serve in illegal and unconstitutional wars. I don't want them doing any kind of slave labor for the elite and that includes any type of service. This is slavery. They would not be working for our country. We don't have an operational constitutional republic anymore. They would be working for the foreign mega bands and international corporations that have taken over this country. @-)

The elites and political puppets they have under them will probably exempt themselves and their children from this service. Don't kid yourselves!

[Original_Intent]

No way will I let my children serve in illegal and unconstitutional wars. I don't want them doing any kind of slave labor for the elite and that includes any type of service. This is slavery. They would not be working for our country. We don't have an operational constitutional republic anymore. They would be working for the foreign mega bands and international corporations that have taken over this country. @-)

The elites and political puppets they have under them will probably exempt themselves and their children from this service. Don't kid yourselves!

Exactly. this is nothing but indentured servitude AT BEST. The idea that serving our country will make us appreciate it more is trying to justify the means for the ends. And the ends aren't all that great. We should be more worried about appreciating our fellow brothers and sisters throughout the world, rather than appreciating our country. And putting our young men and women under the thumb of the hoodlums in power at the current time isn't appreciating your country or your God.

[bbsion]

You have a problem with the Draft?

I think if everybody was required to serve our country, we might apprecate it better. If we had a national draft and more politically connected people's children were in the military, maybe our leaders would be a bit more careful about gettng into wars.

Regards,

George Clay

I have a HUGE problem with the draft. As has been said in previous comments, this forces people to serve. Thus, taking away their agency. You can try to find logic in the draft... but I am pretty sure Satan did the same thing. "But Father... if you send me I will MAKE everyone do good and not one soul will be lost!" Sounds like a "draft" to me.

Do you honestly think our nations "leaders" will be more cautious of wars because a few of their kids are drafted? I dont think our corrupted government cares. I also do not think other countries care who we have fighting in our military either. There will be wars and rumors of wars regardless. Simply implimenting a drafting hoping it will soften the hearts of some of the leaders is absurd.

I will fight only for truth. Due to my lack of faith in the government I will at all costs avoid the U.S. military.

[AshleyB]

This is the kind of thing that outrages me. There is no way on earth I want my children losing their innocence or dying "serving" the greedy, war mongering tyrants! My brother is going through major PTSD after serving a tour in Afghanistan. He thinks that God hates him now because he killed people and he has nightmares over it and has suffered from depression My heart aches for him. Ugh.... But at least my brother chose to join the military during war time. He did it nievely albeit but at least it was his choice!

[Bgood]

What’s your position on
Requires women to register under the Military Selective ServiceH.R. 748: To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 25 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or as civilian service in a Federal, State, or local government program or with a community-based agency or community-based entity, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to provide for the registration of women under the Military Selective Service Act, and for other purposes.

[TZONE]

What’s your position on
Requires women to register under the Military Selective ServiceH.R. 748: To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 25 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or as civilian service in a Federal, State, or local government program or with a community-based agency or community-based entity, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to provide for the registration of women under the Military Selective Service Act, and for other purposes.

Is this real? Or are they trying to pass this?

I really hope it doesn't

[gclayjr]

History has shown that when countries rely on mercenaries rather than citizen soldiers to defend their country, they descend into selfserving empires that soon destroy themselves.

It may be true that corrupt politicians exempt themselves from their own laws. That doesn't make the principle bad. just the implementation.

I am a sexist pig that thinks that there are different roles for women and men and it is evil to either let women serve in combat arms or force women into the military.

Regards,

George Clay

[TZONE]

According to law does 18-25 include the numbers '18' and '25'? I read it does but also read it doesn't in some context...

[Original_Intent]

History has shown that when countries rely on mercenaries rather than citizen soldiers to defend their country, they descend into selfserving empires that soon destroy themselves.

It may be true that corrupt politicians exempt themselves from their own laws. That doesn't make the principle bad. just the implementation.

I am a sexist pig that thinks that there are different roles for women and men and it is evil to either let women serve in combat arms or force women into the military.

Regards,

George Clay

And this point that you make that I bolded doesn't make it good either. From an eternal perspective, please explain the virtue of a system that allows a bunch of beaurocrats, most who have shown themseleves to be vile, immoral, warmongering slimeballs, the power to send the youth of the nation to fight and die in their quest for greater control. It's absolutely satanic, and has nothing to do with true patriotism.

Patriotism would involve voluntarily having the desire to serve your nation in a good cause - not be pressed into service by a goon squad.

[Bgood]

Military leaders lift ban on women in combat roles

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[gclayjr]

Original_Intent

All governments, incuding those in the Bible ond BOM allow "vile, immoral, warmongering slimeballs" the POWER to send youth of a nation to fight and die. I'm saying that history has shown that when a country uses mercenaries, those slimeballs are less held accountable for their warlike enterprises, and are MORE liely to recklessly engage in such wars.

When a nation only uses civilian soldiers, there is more pressure from the society to keep those slimeballs from entering into such wars for empire.

Regards,

George Clay

[bbsion]

Do you really believe God would want us to be forced into fighting a war we did not believe in then? That is what the draft is. Period.

It is good for a civilian army to be gathered to support a nation for a good cause. It is not okay to make them do it. The concept of a draft is of the devil.

[MsEva]

I wonder if lowering the age needed for LDS missionary service may help our youth stay OUT of the military.

"If we had a national draft and more politically connected people's children were in the military, maybe our leaders would be a bit more careful about gettng into wars. "


Congress generally exempts itself from the laws it passes. Obamacare is just one example. Congresspersons are EXEMPT from Obamacare restrictions and "taxes".

I was thinking along these lines as well, Dr Jones.

[jonesde]

Original_Intent

All governments, incuding those in the Bible ond BOM allow "vile, immoral, warmongering slimeballs" the POWER to send youth of a nation to fight and die. I'm saying that history has shown that when a country uses mercenaries, those slimeballs are less held accountable for their warlike enterprises, and are MORE liely to recklessly engage in such wars.

When a nation only uses civilian soldiers, there is more pressure from the society to keep those slimeballs from entering into such wars for empire.

Regards,

George Clay

If you force someone into the military how are they any different from a mercenary? They are still paid, but are conscripted with no choice.

Maybe you are confusing this with the idea of a militia that is voluntary, sometimes unpaid (just reimbursed expenses), and is used ONLY to defend the area where one lives. If the US military were run this way it would be almost entirely defensive as it would be tough to get people to voluntary join up and voluntarily fund a military effort if it were not defensive... basically impossible actually.

This program basically moves decision making over how to spend time from individuals and families to government. This is the OPPOSITE of the principle of decentralized decision making that results in peace and biases military efforts toward defense. Centralized decision making and forced control makes offensive wars and other wasteful and harmful expenditures of time and money inevitable.

Please understand that the same centralized decision making and control that causes problems with socialist economics (that you have mentioned having problems with) has the same effect, or even worse effects given the violent nature, on military and "defense".

[Original_Intent]

Original_Intent

All governments, incuding those in the Bible ond BOM allow "vile, immoral, warmongering slimeballs" the POWER to send youth of a nation to fight and die. I'm saying that history has shown that when a country uses mercenaries, those slimeballs are less held accountable for their warlike enterprises, and are MORE liely to recklessly engage in such wars.

When a nation only uses civilian soldiers, there is more pressure from the society to keep those slimeballs from entering into such wars for empire.

Regards,

George Clay

You won;t find a righteous government in any scripture that used conscription. Captain Moroni is the only one that comes close, and the ONLY ones we have record of him "drafting" were traitors who were trying to destroy the government from within.

One of the reasons that the israelites were warned AGAINST having a king was because he would take the young men to war. Our president is already much like a king, the draft is an unjust power to be wielded. there's a good many things in the scriptures that are there as a warning, not as an endorsement.

[buffalo_girl]

Captain Moroni is the only one that comes close, and the ONLY ones we have record of him "drafting" were traitors who were trying to destroy the government from within.

And when was the last time the United States found it necessary to 'protect its borders'?

[Col. Flagg]

No way will I let my children serve in illegal and unconstitutional wars. I don't want them doing any kind of slave labor for the elite and that includes any type of service. This is slavery. They would not be working for our country. We don't have an operational constitutional republic anymore. They would be working for the foreign mega bands and international corporations that have taken over this country. @-)

The elites and political puppets they have under them will probably exempt themselves and their children from this service. Don't kid yourselves!

:ymapplause: My sentiment exactly! I'll be damned if any of my children are going to be forced to go to 'war' for the criminal domestic and international banking cartels and our big energy/defense corporations so they can make a buck off the exploitation, manipulation and control of their resources for their own gain! Has anyone seen the latest you-tube video of the soldier who recently returned from Iraq who was the speaker at some military event where he goes off on the illegality and criminality of these so-called 'wars' for profit where he even talks about how many soldiers currently serving are learning of the fraud of 9/11? He's one brave kid and actally rec'd a dishonorable discharge from our so honorable military :ymsick: for refusing to go back to Iraq, even after he informed his superiors why he wasn't going back. All hail Halliburton, the armaments industry, Blackwater, Lockheed-Martin, KBR and Raytheon! :ymsick: :ymsick: :ymsick: And let us not forget the opium in Afghanistan, the Trans-Afghan oil/gas pipeline and the recently discovered trillion dollars worth of lithium in Afghanistan! Yeah... we won't be leaving there anytime soon.

[freedomforall]

You have a problem with the Draft?

I think if everybody was required to serve our country, we might appreciate it better. If we had a national draft and more politically connected people's children were in the military, maybe our leaders would be a bit more careful about getting into wars.

Regards,

George Clay

1966-70, draft era...Semper Fi

[p51-mustang]

Here Ya go!

1945 message from the First Presidency on the draft, warfare, overbearing government and much more
Posted on March 30, 2012 by Geoff B.
STATEMENT BY THE FIRST PRESIDENCY REGARDING UNIVERSAL COMPULSORY MILITARY TRAINING

We print below a letter dated December 14, 1945, addressed by the First Presidency of the Church to each member of the Utah Congressional Delegation-Senators Thomas and Murdock and Congressmen Granger and Robinson. Word has now been received by the First Presidency from both Senators and both Congressmen expressing their approval of and belief in the sentiments, reasons, and conclusions set forth in the letter. The letter follows:

“Press reports have for some months indicated that a determined effort is in the making to establish in this country a compulsory universal military training designed to draw into military training and service the entire youth of the nation. We had hoped that mature reflection might lead the proponents of such a policy to abandon it. We have felt and still feel that such a policy would carry with it the gravest dangers to our Republic.

“It now appears that the proponents of the policy have persuaded the Administration to adopt it, in what on its face is a modified form. We deeply regret this, because we dislike to find ourselves under the necessity of opposing any policy so sponsored. However, we are so persuaded of the rightfulness of our position, and we regard the policy so threatening to the true purposes for which this Government was set up, as set forth in the great Preamble to the Constitution, that we are constrained respectfully to invite your attention to the following considerations:

“1. By taking our sons at the most impressionable age of their adolescence and putting them into army camps under rigorous military discipline, we shall seriously endanger their initiative thereby impairing one of the essential elements of American citizenship. While on its face the suggested plan might not seem to visualize the army camp training, yet there seems little doubt that our military leaders contemplate such a period, with similar recurring periods after the boys are placed in the reserves.

“2. By taking our boys from their homes, we shall deprive them of parental guidance and control at this important period of their youth, and there is no substitute for the care and love of a mother for a young son.

“3. We shall take them out of school and suffer their minds to be directed in other channels, so that very many of them after leaving the army, will never return to finish their schooling, thus over a few years materially reducing the literacy of the whole nation.

“4. We shall give opportunity to teach our sons not only the way to kill but also, in too many cases, the desire to kill, thereby increasing lawlessness and disorder to the consequent upsetting of the stability of our national society. God said at Sinai, “Thou shalt not kill.”

“5. We shall take them from the refining, ennobling, character-building atmosphere of the home, and place them under a drastic discipline in an environment that is hostile to most of the finer and nobler things of home and of life.

“6. We shall make our sons the victims of systematized allurements to gamble, to drink, to smoke, to swear, to associate with lewd women, to be selfish, idle, irresponsible save under restraint of force, to be common, coarse, and vulgar, all contrary to and destructive of the American home.

“7. We shall deprive our sons of any adequate religious training and activity during their training years, for the religious element of army life is both inadequate and ineffective.

“8. We shall put them where they may be indoctrinated with a wholly un-American view of the aims and purposes of their individual lives, and of the life of the whole people and nation, which are founded on the ways of peace, whereas they will be taught to believe in the ways of war.

“9. We shall take them away from all participation in the means and measures of production to the economic loss of the whole nation.

“10. We shall lay them open to wholly erroneous ideas of their duties to themselves, to their family, and to society in the matter of independence, self-sufficiency, individual initiative, and what we have come to call American manhood.

“11. We shall subject them to encouragement in a belief that they can always live off the labors of others through the government or otherwise.

“12. We shall make possible their building into a military caste which from all human experience bodes ill for that equality and unity which must always characterize the citizenry of a republic.

“13. By creating an immense standing army, we shall create to our liberties and free institutions a threat foreseen and condemned by the founders of the Republic, and by the people of this country from that time till now. Great standing armies have always been the tools of ambitious dictators to the destruction of freedom.

“14. By the creation of a great war machine, we shall invite and tempt the waging of war against foreign countries, upon little or no provocation; for the possession of great military power always breeds thirst for domination, for empire, and for a rule by might not right.

“15. By building a huge armed establishment, we shall belie our protestations of peace and peaceful intent and force other nations to a like course of militarism, so placing upon the peoples of the earth crushing burdens of taxation that with their present tax load will hardly be bearable, and that will gravely threaten our social, economic, and governmental systems.

“16. We shall make of the whole earth one great military camp whose separate armies, headed by war-minded officers, will never rest till they are at one another’s throats in what will be the most terrible contest the world has ever seen.

“17. All the advantages for the protection of the country offered by a standing army may be obtained by the National Guard system which has proved so effective in the past and which is unattended by the evils of entire mobilization.

“Responsive to the ancient wisdom, ‘Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it,’ obedient to the divine message that heralded the birth of Jesus the Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the world, ‘. . . on earth peace, good will toward men,’ and knowing that our Constitution and the Government set up under it were inspired of God and should be preserved to the blessing not only of our own citizenry but, as an example, to the blessing of all the world, we have the honor respectfully to urge that you do your utmost to defeat any plan designed to bring about the compulsory military service of our citizenry. Should it be urged that our complete armament is necessary for our safety, it may be confidently replied that a proper foreign policy, implemented by an effective diplomacy, can avert the dangers that are feared. What this country needs and what the world needs, is a will for peace, not war. God will help our efforts to bring this about.

“Respectfully submitted, GEO. ALBERT SMITH, J. REUBEN CLARK, JR., DAVID O. MCKAY, First Presidency.”

[Col. Flagg]

If the wars were just and legit and the draft was needed to help defend the nation from true outside threats, I would have no problem with my children serving in the military... but that is FAR from being the case.

[freedomforall]

If we had a national draft and more politically connected people's children were in the military, maybe our leaders would be a bit more careful about gettng into wars.

Most managed to avoid it in Vietnam....what makes you think anything would be different here? These ARE the same folks who legalized 'insider trading' for themselves, cushy retirement packages with full benefits and full pay for life, secret service protection for life, etc....

Who's plan was it to 'force' people into doing things? :ymdevil: That's right, a draft VIOLATES peoples agency!

On the other hand, I have no sympathy for anyone NOT willing to fight for this great land of ours. We may have to fight on American soil just to gain our freedom back. Sometimes it takes war to retain our agency. Those not willing to fight for freedom are in essence helping the cause of socialism.

I was a mamma's boy; didn't want to go to Vietnam, cried my first day there, but I'm glad I went because now I can say I'm a true patriot. I love America, I appreciate what America stood for, and I'm damned displeased with what the LDG's are doing to it. I'm saddened that I no longer possess the youthfulness it takes to fight such a battle as we face.
If protecting one's right to freedom and liberty is taking away one's agency...then think what it will be like in a Fema camp surrounded by armed guards...guards willing to put a bullet into your skull if you try to escape.