I'm just wondering if anyone has had success opening a bank or credit union account without using a SS# (slave surveillance number) or TIN?
I want to. I hate the thought that the government is watching every transaction I make, each deposit and withdraw. I'm working on freeing myself and my children. Here is a list of what one can do: http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Instr ... ourSov.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So far, I've " *tried* to open a bank account at Wells Fargo without one and they flat out refused, at Chase they allowed me to, using my passport as ID (if you have a drivers license, likely you used a SS# to obtain it) but they requested I fill out their W-8BEN (which does not have my correct status on it) when I had brought in an amended one stating my correct status as a union state citizen: http://sedm.org/Forms/04-Tax/Withholdin ... endeds.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. So, that doesn't work for me.
Heck, I wish I didn't have to even use a bank, I simply don't trust them. I don't know how to live without one though.
And, here is some of what I've found on opening a bank account without a SS# or other government number:
SSN No. is not required for opening a bank account.
If you are going to open a bank account, first thing the bankers ask about your SSN. If you tell them that you are not having SSN then they will refuse straightforwardly to open your account. The online account for the client like that could be an easiest solution.
Legal Position on SSN Requirement
There are numerous ways to convince the banks that SSN is not that much necessary.
SN can be ended legally according to CFR 3 A7 404.1905.
Bank can not pressurize customer legally to tell about his SNN according to 31 CFR 103.34(a)(1)
Banks are not asked to provide the taxpayer identification numbers at the end of the year on the Form 1099 under the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 6041
According to 26 CFR 301.6109-1© bank is not under any legal obligation to obtain SSN from customer
It is classified as crime under 42 USC 408 if one is threatening or forcing someone to provide his SSN.
How to Open Bank Account without SSNHow_to_open_a_Bank_Account
Some people can do it by way of court. Court usually provides the relief to customer. Some people open their accounts in the name of some fake trust. In this way they don’t have to provide their SSN and trusts are non human so how can it have SSN. Trust is formed under common law and is fully in accordance with the laws of State of Indiana.
Obviously when you are opening an account in the name of trust you don’t have to show any part of the trust to bank. One can open non interest bearing account in this way. To open such type of accounts one has to get knowledge of constitutional laws and if you don’t then you can go to the lawyer for an advice. Be sure of your state laws to open a trust. All this should be done according to the laws and rules of the state.
Checking and Saving Accounts
Make the name of the trust harmless. It may sound like a law firm or a trust. The type of the account should be checking not savings, as savings account has fee and probably interest bearing. You will be prohibited to disclose any terms of trust or beneficiaries by the trust agreement. An affidavit of trust identifies you as a trustee and permits you to open a bank account.
To do all above activity, it is quite important to have the knowledge of your state laws. The laws are well written and plain in Indiana which makes it good place for trusts. The party has no authority to investigate about the information provided by the trustee as it is provided in the laws of State of Indiana. The most important thing the status of the trust should be legal in the state.
Some of my friends have solved their issue of providing their SSN to the bank by warning the bank that if bank will keep on asking for slave number then they will draw their entire substantial sum and may close the account.
the Social Security Number is not required by law and is still voluntary, the banks can’t legally deny you the right to open an account based on your refusal to provide the SSN, as long as you establish valid ID otherwise. The Patriot Act does NOT require banks to collect your SSN to establish identity.
Apply for an i.t.i.n. (income tax identification number) from the I.R.S.
On the application which is the SS-4 in the section where you’re asked for your Social Security Number just write in the following: NOT REQUIRED BY LAW.
That’s because by law you are NOT required to produce a social security number.
Then you’ll receive your i.t.i.n in a few weeks.
Then when you apply to open a bank account just use that i.t.i.n. instead of a social security number.
The following companies open US bank accounts for non us citizens and without a social security number
http://www.global-inter.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.usbankaccountonline.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.globalecorp.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thank you for any thoughts/insights on this!
Strawberry
. Anyway, he kept talking about SAR. Anyone heard of it? Apparently it's Suspicious Activity Reporting program. Has to do also with the FinCEN as well.
He just said if I don't have/use a number I don't cash checks. The government wants to know. They don't care about the constitution or rights. If the banks don't comply with the governmental regulations then people go to jail and the banks get shut down. Apparently this happened with a bank he worked at in Vancouver, WA. So, if a banker, understanding my right to not have a SS#, opened an account for me he could be ruined and so could many others because of the government. Ahhhhh, the freedom, I can just smell it in the air :ymsick: 