Still shop at Walmart?

[sandman45]

Excellent points! Wonder what corporations existed in Noah's day? Yes, scriptures make it quite clear that the days of Noah were like ours and so why believe that they did not have the same technology as today? Why was it emphasized that Noah was pure in blood? GMOs and cross-species gene manipulations commonplace? The Sumerian texts can be interpreted that way.

You know, I firmly believe that they were as advanced as we are, technologically. Probably moreso. I mean, their inventors lived for hundreds and hundreds of years. They probably had a bit more accurate understanding of how old the earth was, too.

I expect that they had flying machines, machines equivalent to computers, ipods, washing machines, dishwashers, cars, and trucks. It all got buried deep, deep in the earth when the floods came, apparently. If their wars wiped out much of the food supply, they may have begun to mess with the genes of plants. We really know extremely little about them. Pretty much nothing about their lifestyles and inventions.

f you read the scriptures, "in the process of time" the people in the city of Enoch were taken up. I have seriously wondered if that meant they went up in space shuttles. After all, the people building the tower of Babel seemed to think they could reach them (heaven, where the people went). It makes me think they were in visual range, at least, even if they misjudged the distance.

I have thought this for years! glad someone else thinks the same way.. I brought it up once in church and was almost roasted alive by laughter and weird looks..

+1 :ymapplause: :ymapplause:

[freedomforall]

So, I watched the video suggested earlier in the stream. It wass thought provoking indeed, and further solidifies why I do not shop at Wal-Mart. They are getting ready to build a new Wal-Mart in the area where I live, and I am not to excited about it. The first time they came to build in my neighborhood, the council and people said NO. Now, well now they have changed their minds I guess, because here comes Wal-Mart! I am also sure that where they are building was part of their stratagem and hopes of putting the near-by businesses...."out of business." Next door to where they will be located is a Home Depot, Super Target, Meijer, Kroger, and a couple of other places. But, with Wal-Mart coming, I'm sure the surrounding businesses ,and the jobs they provide, won't be there for much longer no thanks to the "Giant China Wal-Mart." I try to buy as many things as I can made in America, and usually go to Super Target for the rest. I go to Whole Foods and my local Dairy Farmer for the food my family and I need.

Just what we need....another stupid Wal-Mart, and in the near future, fewer jobs than before they came, and a bunch of empty warehouse type buildings where a business once stood, soon to be targets for the heathens to vandalize.

The locals could boycott the store. A store can't thrive if there's no shoppers in it.

[bobhenstra]

Just Got back from Walmart, place was packed! The two grocery stores that were here when Walmat opened are still open.

[A Random Phrase]

Heartsongs, you did not offend. I was agreeing with you.

Unfortunately, they have some things that no other store in this rural area seems to have. Plus they have lower prices, and that can be a factor. But I would prefer not to go there at all.

Bob, they put a few stores out of business in this area, but some are hanging on, apparently a little crippled. But then, fewer people are shopping anywhere, including Walmart, in this area. I'm glad that the economy is thriving in your area, at least.

Well, Sandman, that makes three of us.

I think it totally illogical and irrational to suppose that we somehow have a corner on inventiveness.

[bobhenstra]

All our Walmart has done is attract new businesses to our area, all the old business are still there! And a lot of people who didn't have jobs are now working in the new businesses and Walmart, including some friends of mine who are as stove up as I am. I like the way Walmart hires handicapped people. If I needed the money I'd probable be working there. It's a nice clean store, Good people work there and they have the lowest prices, I simply don't understand your objections.

All my life I have refused to work for unions, I guess for some, shopping at Walmart has the same stigma as unions are for me!

[A Random Phrase]

You probably live in a city, then. I live in a rural area, where there are several small towns together (even though they like to call themselves cities).

[bobhenstra]

Nope, I live in the country, in a very small town 30 miles South of Provo, we don't even have a gas station. The Walmart is in Payson, just off I-15, 15 minutes away!

[A Random Phrase]

That is just really weird, then. Is it a Super Store? If not, maybe that's it. Ours is a Super Store. That means it has groceries in it - a combination supermarket and department store.

[Fiannan]

All our Walmart has done is attract new businesses to our area, all the old business are still there! And a lot of people who didn't have jobs are now working in the new businesses and Walmart, including some friends of mine who are as stove up as I am. I like the way Walmart hires handicapped people. If I needed the money I'd probable be working there. It's a nice clean store, Good people work there and they have the lowest prices, I simply don't understand your objections.

All my life I have refused to work for unions, I guess for some, shopping at Walmart has the same stigma as unions are for me!

I have only read that you have job loss -- especially of small businesses. Sure, Walmart hires a lot of people but for how much? Do those people make enough to live anywhere except in a crack-infested apartment complex? How many have to rely on food stamps to feed their kids? Sure, Obama employment statistics can make it look as if you have a lot of people employed but if we look at family-wage jobs things have plummeted and will continue to plummet unless you work for the feds like being a TSA agent.

[Fiannan]

Excellent points! Wonder what corporations existed in Noah's day? Yes, scriptures make it quite clear that the days of Noah were like ours and so why believe that they did not have the same technology as today? Why was it emphasized that Noah was pure in blood? GMOs and cross-species gene manipulations commonplace? The Sumerian texts can be interpreted that way.

You know, I firmly believe that they were as advanced as we are, technologically. Probably moreso. I mean, their inventors lived for hundreds and hundreds of years. They probably had a bit more accurate understanding of how old the earth was, too.

I expect that they had flying machines, machines equivalent to computers, ipods, washing machines, dishwashers, cars, and trucks. It all got buried deep, deep in the earth when the floods came, apparently. If their wars wiped out much of the food supply, they may have begun to mess with the genes of plants. We really know extremely little about them. Pretty much nothing about their lifestyles and inventions.

f you read the scriptures, "in the process of time" the people in the city of Enoch were taken up. I have seriously wondered if that meant they went up in space shuttles. After all, the people building the tower of Babel seemed to think they could reach them (heaven, where the people went). It makes me think they were in visual range, at least, even if they misjudged the distance.

I have thought this for years! glad someone else thinks the same way.. I brought it up once in church and was almost roasted alive by laughter and weird looks..

+1 :ymapplause: :ymapplause:

Anything that challenges a preconceived notion of what is and isn't real will evoke ridicule. I have seen that even in regards to scriptures like the one saying that God told Isaiah to preach repentance in the nude to the Israelites to warn them they were to be taken into captivity if they started agreeing with various treaties and alliances. It's right there in the Bible but people try to ignore it. Same with the first sections of the Book of Genesis that make it clear that the creation itself had been made corrupted and the parts about Noah still being pure. I have heard that the Hebrew translation was for him being purely human. So were other people genetically modified, as with the animals? If they were, as many people think, an agrarian civilization that resembled ancient Babylon in technology why did God have to wipe it out with a flood when a disease would have been just fine? If Jesus was conceived with artificial insemination then I am sure God could have vaccinated Noah and his family prior to unleashing such an epidemic.

[A Random Phrase]

I thought I read a scripture recently (like, in the Pearl of Great Price) that said Noah was perfect.

[skmo]

Not quite sure of the numbers in this bit of fluff, but there's at least some validity in it:

1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March 17th) than Target sells all year.

4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target +Sears + Costco + K-Mart combined.

5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people, is the world's largest private employer, and most speak English.

6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the world.

7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger and Safeway combined, and keep in mind they did this in only fifteen years.

8. During this same period, 31 big supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had five years ago.

11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur at Wal-Mart stores. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.)

12. 90% of all Americans live within fifteen miles of a Wal-Mart.
You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground
work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart
to fix the economy.

This should be read and understood by all Americans… Democrats,
Republicans, EVERYONE!!

To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,
it is now official that the majority of you are corrupt morons:

a. The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775. You have had 234
years to get it right and it is broke.

b. Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to
get it right and it is broke.

c. Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get
it right and it is broke.
d. War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it
right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.

e. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44
years to get it right and they are broke.

f. Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get
it right and it is broke.

g. The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our
dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get
it right and it is an abysmal failure.

You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars.

AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED
WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

[Andrew52]

I'm a greeter at Walmart. Great job, meet some fine people!

[freedomforall]

I'm a greeter at Walmart. Great job, meet some fine people!

YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THE STORE OWNERS DO. You're working and they're paying you. Nothing wrong with that.

[freedomforall]

AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED
WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

Actually, trust has nothing to do with it. Obamacare was forced on us, first by a head strong narcissist, second by a crooked judge that can't tell the difference between his backside orifice and a hole in the ground. He clearly does not recognize the constitution as the supreme law of the land, and states that judges are bound to uphold it.

Article VI
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

[Benjamin_LK]

Not quite sure of the numbers in this bit of fluff, but there's at least some validity in it:

1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March 17th) than Target sells all year.

4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target +Sears + Costco + K-Mart combined.

5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people, is the world's largest private employer, and most speak English.

6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the world.

7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger and Safeway combined, and keep in mind they did this in only fifteen years.

8. During this same period, 31 big supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had five years ago.

11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur at Wal-Mart stores. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.)

12. 90% of all Americans live within fifteen miles of a Wal-Mart.
You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground
work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart
to fix the economy.

This should be read and understood by all Americans… Democrats,
Republicans, EVERYONE!!

To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,
it is now official that the majority of you are corrupt morons:

a. The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775. You have had 234
years to get it right and it is broke.

b. Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to
get it right and it is broke.

c. Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get
it right and it is broke.
d. War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it
right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.

e. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44
years to get it right and they are broke.

f. Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get
it right and it is broke.

g. The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our
dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get
it right and it is an abysmal failure.

You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars.

AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED
WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

In summary, an enterprise run and upheld by government funding generally becomes a financial drain and source of debt, because it isn't subject to the same economic rules, such as bankruptcy, or subject to worrying about losses in funds that would apply say if I were running my own competitive private courier service, restaurant, or retailer. Because it doesn't have an incentive to grow and/or avoid failure, you are asking for serious problems. But, no need to worry, various government employees ultimately will receive the pay cuts, the layoffs, and so on, it's all a question of exactly how and when in the near future it will happen.

But then, I am being a little shortsighted there considering that all governments on Earth will have failed by the time of the Second Coming, and will either see people in those governments repent and join Zion or perish from opposing it, so go figure.

[Benjamin_LK]

All our Walmart has done is attract new businesses to our area, all the old business are still there! And a lot of people who didn't have jobs are now working in the new businesses and Walmart, including some friends of mine who are as stove up as I am. I like the way Walmart hires handicapped people. If I needed the money I'd probable be working there. It's a nice clean store, Good people work there and they have the lowest prices, I simply don't understand your objections.

All my life I have refused to work for unions, I guess for some, shopping at Walmart has the same stigma as unions are for me!

I have only read that you have job loss -- especially of small businesses. Sure, Walmart hires a lot of people but for how much? Do those people make enough to live anywhere except in a crack-infested apartment complex? How many have to rely on food stamps to feed their kids? Sure, Obama employment statistics can make it look as if you have a lot of people employed but if we look at family-wage jobs things have plummeted and will continue to plummet unless you work for the feds like being a TSA agent.

From what I can tell you, the salary at Wal-Mart is comparable to the corresponding positions at a union grocery store. Again, your base pay is lost to both the social security and medicare deductions, in addition to your union dues. Wal-Mart has similar deductions, due to the fact that you pay deductions as a Wal-Mart employee for your own health insurance through Wal-Mart, and so on. The real difference, IMHO, is how the competition between Wal-Mart and it's other competitors in Food, pharmaceuticals, and other products, plays out.

[Benjamin_LK]

That is just really weird, then. Is it a Super Store? If not, maybe that's it. Ours is a Super Store. That means it has groceries in it - a combination supermarket and department store.

Sounds like Target™ and Wal-Mart™ where I live in Southern PA, where we happen to have both.

[freedomforall]

That is just really weird, then. Is it a Super Store? If not, maybe that's it. Ours is a Super Store. That means it has groceries in it - a combination supermarket and department store.

Sounds like Target™ and Wal-Mart™ where I live in Southern PA, where we happen to have both.

The Walmart referenced in Payson, UT is a Super Center

Payson Wal-Mart.jpg

[A Random Phrase]

Thanks, freedomfighter.

That parking lot doesn't look jam-packed to me.

Payson, huh? I don't view that as rural. When I was 7, maybe it was, but it seems to me that that area has grown until there isn't much real rural there.

[freedomforall]

Thanks, freedomfighter.

That parking lot doesn't look jam-packed to me.

Payson, huh? I don't view that as rural. When I was 7, maybe it was, but it seems to me that that area has grown until there isn't much real rural there.

You're welcome.

A little better view

Wal-mart.jpg

Payson UT.jpg

Payson1.jpg

[A Random Phrase]

Thanks for the pictures. That does look pretty rural in some of those pictures. No wonder Bob is messed up. He is always right.

[nosurprise]

Stealing is stealing no matter from a store considered 'good' or 'bad' in it's business practices/ethics.
This woman admitted to stealing food for snacks during her duration as an employee. Walmart
has some good prices for food and other items other stores don't have. That's why their liked.

[freedomforall]

At one time, 2006, Wal-Mart was in support of gays and lesbians, but has since denounced that support. See:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/walmart.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For anyone interested:
http://www.politicalaccountability.net/ ... ion/i/5292" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't mind shopping there.

[A Random Phrase]

Jean Valjean.

Sent to prison for - was it twenty? - years for stealing a loaf of bread.

Oh, I forgot. We are a country of vengeance. We are a country of "punish to the nth degree." Unless, of course, one has money, prestige, or power.

If we are judged as we judge, and if God deals with us as we deal with others, I fear our destruction is not far off. Heaven help us as we descend into the pit of retribution and harshness that we construct for others.