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Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 2:18 pm**

That was part of the impression, that he will protect us in marvelous ways if we are worthy and have faith in him and of course, ask for his help.

Excellent thought on the TSM reference p51. Go to Isaiah 31. Those who put their trust in Egypt and do not look to the Holy One of Israel are ravaged and devastated by the Assyrian enemy. However in verse 8 Assyria gets their come-uppence by the Lords mighty power "whose fire is in Zion, whose furnace is in Jeruselem." In Chapter 37 v.33 the Lords pledges not to allow the wicked Assyrian King to overcome his city and then compares in v.36 their defeat to the 185,000 who perished miraculously in the days of Hezekiah. Its gonna be interesting.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 3:03 pm**

I still think you need to look inside our own government and country for the real conspiracy that is destroying our nation and that will ultimately destroy it. Our prophets have warned us that the U.S. can survive any external threats, but that we cannot and will not survive treason from within and unfortunately... this is what we've got going on in DC.

I never would have known that you felt that way Col.

I will say this one thing. As p51 has brought out here our survival as a nation will be based upon our total reliance upon the Lord. Once this external Assyrian threat is able to gain a stonghold upon this land it will take a miraculous power from the Divine to protect that righteous remnant who put their trust in Him. The internal corruption will weaken us as a nation to be sure but our physical survival when pitted against several hundred million blood-thirsty Assyrian soldiers (sorry to scare you ladies) will come only because of the Lords divine intervention. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 3:22 pm**

Mark, Due to the frightening nature of your previous post, I regret to inform you that I have went Boom....Boom.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 3:24 pm**

I'm not scared, at least not yet. I have seen this coming for awhile.. just not sure how emotionally will make it through it all yet.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 3:57 pm**

P2B, you might want to move back to Utah for now. Brigham Young stated that the intermountain west was designed by the Lord as a place of refuge for the Saints when the tribulations are poured out upon the nations. The west is surounded by large canyons and deserts, and huge mountains with tiny little canyon roads that serve as nice choke points that we can use to pick off the Assyrians as they approach. The rest of the country is a sitting duck. Utah will be the only place where law and order will prevail. You will largely be on your own out in Springville. There will be strength in numbers here in Utah.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 4:04 pm**

For now I am where I am to be. If it is meant that I return I will, but the GA's have told us here what our mission is, so I am going to prepare for that, and continue to fulfill it unless given another assignment.

There are prophecy's about Utah, and the west, but those also involve the support across the nation of others that will unite for the cause. There is a need for scattered leaders at this time. They are to call in reinforcements as well as prepare for those that are destitute.

So far, everything that the spirit has warned me of or informed me of has happened as I was told and at the time I was told things would be. I know I am where I need to be for now.

We are very protected here.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 4:07 pm**

P2B, I am sure the spirit will prompt you when it is time to make the move back if need be. Sounds like you are awake and listening for those promptings.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 4:11 pm**

P51, great tie-in with TSM's talk. Is it mere coincidence or was TM assuring us that God will be our protector?

Dont forget Holland's beautiful talk about Angels being with us to comfort and to warn. Lots of messages about the Lords power in conference.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 4:19 pm**

Mark wrote:
I still think you need to look inside our own government and country for the real conspiracy that is destroying our nation and that will ultimately destroy it. Our prophets have warned us that the U.S. can survive any external threats, but that we cannot and will not survive treason from within and unfortunately... this is what we've got going on in DC.

I never would have known that you felt that way Col. I will say this one thing. As p51 has brought out here our survival as a nation will be based upon our total reliance upon the Lord. Once this external Assyrian threat is able to gain a stonghold upon this land it will take a miraculous power from the Divine to protect that righteous remnant who put their trust in Him. The internal corruption will weaken us as a nation to be sure but our physical survival when pitted against several hundred million blood-thirsty Assyrian soldiers (sorry to scare you ladies) will come only because of the Lords divine intervention. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

OK, I need some enlightenment with this 200 million+ invading army that is supposed to wreak havoc in the U.S. The forces that march against Israel right before the 2nd coming in the battle of Armageddon are only supposed to consist of 100 million soldiers and it will be the greatest bloodbath ever seen on earth. You're saying the forces that will invade the U.S. before the battle of Armageddon will be twice as large as the one in Megiddo? There is only one prophecy I am aware of that speaks of an invasion in the United States and that is George Albert Smith's vision where he allegedly saw mostly Chinese forces invading from both the west and east coasts, but before they could get too far, the Lord intervenes and stops them in the Sierra Nevadas in the west and Appalachians in the east. I don't recall the size of the invading force being mentioned though.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 4:44 pm**

P-51, boy am I glad you're here. I will have to reread Elder Holland's talk. I know that a footnote made by JS in Luke said that angels would literally carry us to safety. I beleive this refers to wise virgins living in faoreign lands.

I turns of moving to the MW, Again I think this will occur in April, 2009 under the direction of the 1st Presidency. I plan to stay and prepare here in NC.

An addtion to my scenario. Last night I was strongly impressed to realize that ETB's talk in 1988 GC where he said the GRs were already in control of the uSA goverenemnt is 20 years ago. Little has been said in GC about GRs since then. In 2009, 21 years will be up which could be the 1/2 hour of silence in heavens. That would support an April, 2009 date.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 5:08 pm**

Col. Flagg wrote:
Mark wrote:
I still think you need to look inside our own government and country for the real conspiracy that is destroying our nation and that will ultimately destroy it. Our prophets have warned us that the U.S. can survive any external threats, but that we cannot and will not survive treason from within and unfortunately... this is what we've got going on in DC.

I never would have known that you felt that way Col. I will say this one thing. As p51 has brought out here our survival as a nation will be based upon our total reliance upon the Lord. Once this external Assyrian threat is able to gain a stonghold upon this land it will take a miraculous power from the Divine to protect that righteous remnant who put their trust in Him. The internal corruption will weaken us as a nation to be sure but our physical survival when pitted against several hundred million blood-thirsty Assyrian soldiers (sorry to scare you ladies) will come only because of the Lords divine intervention. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
OK, I need some enlightenment with this 200 million+ invading army that is supposed to wreak havoc in the U.S. The forces that march against Israel right before the 2nd coming in the battle of Armageddon are only supposed to consist of 100 million soldiers and it will be the greatest bloodbath ever seen on earth. You're saying the forces that will invade the U.S. before the battle of Armageddon will be twice as large as the one in Megiddo? There is only one prophecy I am aware of that speaks of an invasion in the United States and that is George Albert Smith's vision where he allegedly saw mostly Chinese forces invading from both the west and east coasts, but before they could get too far, the Lord intervenes and stops them in the Sierra Nevadas in the west and Appalachians in the east. I don't recall the size of the invading force being mentioned though.

Rev. 9: 16
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 5:25 pm**

Proud 2b Peculiar wrote: Rev. 9: 16
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Thanks Charity... my bad... I was going from memory... I was thinking the Armageddon army was only 100 million, but it's 200 million. I was only off 100 million.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 5:29 pm**

Joel 1: 6.
6 For a nation is come up upon my land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 5:31 pm**

CPT Mo,
It is getting to the point where it is hard to deny that the LDGs have taken over. I was out with my HP group leadership visiting members in the ward. The lady we visited with said she felt sick and very uneasy about our nation and it's future. She told me that she thought Gadiantons had infiltrated our govt'. I am talking to more and more people everyday who are waking up. She also said she was glad that she lived in an area where she could depend on people to help each other when the crap hits the fan. So true.

Good point about the 21 years of silence. I hadnt considered that angle. ETB truly was a great prophet.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 5:35 pm**

P2B, This fits too

3 nephi 20:16

Then shall ye, who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

Sounds like its the peoples of South America?

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 5:39 pm**

Joel 2 also corresponds. Sounds like America to me and some sort of Nuke war. Keep in mind that GBH said that the latter parts of this chapter where fulfilled on 9/11 2001.

2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

Posted: **October 29th, 2008, 9:54 pm**

These are the blessings my wife and I received from Iohani Wolfgramm. We spoke to him for several minutes, he with his broken English shared with us some of the blessings he had received from the Lord.

My wife received the first blessing and I the second. The blessings were given in Tongan, the scribe was his nephew and my good friend Ensign Wolfgramm. It seemed that the blessings took about 10 - 15 minutes each.

Iohani Wolfgramm wrote:
3-3-94
Cindy –

Mathew 10:1 – Cast all evil spirits and heal all manner of sickness

- Will not taste death as a mortal being but will be changed from mortal to immortality
- Blessed to live through the millennium and become a Queen to your husband
- You will continue to have children now and through the Millennium.
- Read Rev. 14:1 and learn your number to know, for you will be numbered as one in his right hand
- You will meet the Savior at the Salt Lake Temple and you will present him all your genealogy work and give him an account of the work you’ve done for the Dead and all your temple work.
- You will participate in the building of the New Jerusalem at Missouri.
- You will live to witness the great events of the last days, also see the lands being brought together. You will see the City of Enoch being brought back into the Gulf of Mexico.
- Cast all evil spirit out of you. There are 70 spirits who are trying to overcome you. Cast the devil out and his angels for he has no business over you and the devil will have no power over you.

3-3-94
Darren –

Cast all evil spirits from you for there are 70 spirits surrounding you. By the power of Melchizedek Priesthood cast out all evil. Your body is a temple of God and not for the Devil.

I (Iohani) have been given power to raise the dead which I have and with this same power and authority I am casting out all evil. I now command Satan to depart and from this day forth he shall have no power over you.

- You are blessed to live through the Millennium and be changed from mortality to immortality. (Philippians 3:21)
- Blessed to live and have children and your posterity will be as many as the stars in heaven.
- I now bless your soul with light and the spirit of truth. I fill your soul with the light of his love.
- You are blessed to become a king and Patriarch. You have crowned with the Melchizedek Priesthood the same priesthood as Elohiem.
- I now bless you with his spirit to be with you forever and ever and Satan will never have any power over you.

As you can see the blessing was turned into bullet points. I believe that there was a lot more said, but the translation was turned into these thoughts in English.

To me Iohani was more than just a great patriarch. He had many spiritual gifts.

At one of the Tongan events at our church building I got to meet his daughter that was run over by a Taxi and had her head crushed, and was dead for a night. I asked her about her experience. She told me, "I died and then I woke up." Iohanni also raised Ensign Wolfgramm's son from the dead. And another relative that had died at LDS Hospital and had been dead for 3 days, Iohani also raised him from the dead.

God Bless,
Darren

Posted: **October 30th, 2008, 1:27 am**

Posted: **October 30th, 2008, 1:53 am**

Posted: **October 30th, 2008, 3:22 am**

Wow, that's what I call being specific in the blessings gotten in a PB. Sounds like he was a spiritual giant. How old are both of you? I ask because of the promise to your wife that she would have children through the millenium.

Posted: **October 30th, 2008, 6:12 am**

Captain Moroni wrote:Wow, that's what I call being specific in the blessings gotten in a PB. Sounds like he was a spiritual giant. How old are both of you? I ask because of the promise to your wife that she would have children through the millenium.

My wife just turned 41. I am 44. We currently are enrolled with LDS Adoption Agency. And we are still hopeful to add children to our family, naturally if possible, others would have quit trying to have children by now, not us. We have been married for 22 years, our Son, natural born, is on his mission in Canada, he will be 20 in November. Our Daughter, who is adopted, will be 11 in April. Our age combined with that blessing from Iohani means that now is the time, we must be at the doorstep of the cleansing for sure.

Some things from those blessings have already happened, i.e. my wife has already had this part happen: "- You will meet the Savior at the Salt Lake Temple and you will present him all your genealogy work and give him an account of the work you’ve done for the Dead and all your temple work." We have recently moved to Missouri as directed by the Spirit, some of those other things will happen very soon.

God Bless,
Darren

Posted: **October 30th, 2008, 7:29 am**

Darren, God bless you both in your righteous wishes to have children. I really enjoy your posts.

Posted: **October 30th, 2008, 8:19 am**

BroOfJared raises an important question and point:

Will the Chinese or other military invade or will they come on behalf of our governments invitation?

Perhaps H. Kissinger (who was selected initially by Pres Bush to head the 911 Commission) answers:

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

Further, Bro. Wolfgramm "saw" that in Utah, there were chinese-looking AND latino troops... How could you have such a mix without some type of "U.N. troops"?

Posted: **October 30th, 2008, 8:31 am**

DrJones wrote:
Perhaps H. Kissinger (who was selected initially by Pres Bush to head the 911 Commission) answers:

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

Further, Bro. Wolfgramm "saw" that in Utah, there were chinese-looking AND latino troops... How could you have such a mix without some type of "U.N. troops"?

An invasion masked as a U.N. action to calm internal chaos, to disarm radical patriots and force citizens to pay back international financial obligations, makes sense to me.

Thanks Dr. Jones,
Darren

Posted: **October 30th, 2008, 9:10 am**

Now, what could cause riots and a need for " U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order""?

Scenario speculation now (sorry): the election surprisingly goes to McCain...

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