I can't believe what I saw on TV last night!

[GeeR]

Last night I watched a one hour documentary put out by MSNBC entitled, Hubris: Selling the Iraq War. It told the American were “snookered” into going to war with Iraq just as they were “with the Viet Nam war” prompted by Lyndon B. Johnson. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VEGhcaw3AQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Col. Flagg]

I wonder how many people are aware of the real reason Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1991? Kuwait had developed a method of slant-drilling and were stealing oil right out from underneath Saddam's feet - this is why he invaded Kuwait, but of course, we were told a pack of lies by Washington and our media about how Saddam was this evil tyrant that was attacking a small defenseless country and so we had to go over and teach him a lesson... and a lesson we did... you'd better bow to our big corporate interests and be a good little puppet for Washington or our military machine will take you down.

[Seek the Truth]

MSNBC? :-s

[Seek the Truth]

I wonder how many people are aware of the real reason Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1991? Kuwait had developed a method of slant-drilling and were stealing oil right out from underneath Saddam's feet - this is why he invaded Kuwait,

That's not exactly a reason to go to war and murder people.

[Riley Corvus]

That's not exactly a reason to go to war and murder people.

It's called Realpolitik, and everyone does it. America invaded Iraq for similar reasons, but that wasn't good enough for their people, so they made up lies about Saddam to justify it. They've done that since the Mexican War.

[skmo]

I wonder how many people are aware of the real reason Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1991? Kuwait had developed a method of slant-drilling and were stealing oil right out from underneath Saddam's feet.

No. Kuwait hired Americans who knew drilling. These experts said that Kuwait drilled Kuwaiti fields and that they knew of nowhere that slant drilling was used.

....this is why he invaded Kuwait, but of course, we were told a pack of lies by Washington and our media about how Saddam was this evil tyrant that was attacking a small defenseless country and so we had to go over and teach him a lesson

The rape and torture and murder he was committing were enough to want to do something about him.

[Col. Flagg]

I wonder how many people are aware of the real reason Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1991? Kuwait had developed a method of slant-drilling and were stealing oil right out from underneath Saddam's feet - this is why he invaded Kuwait,

That's not exactly a reason to go to war and murder people.

I didn't say it was... I was merely pointing out the truth about it. Was Saddam a bad guy? Yep, but not any worse than those in the former Bush administration who either participated in (Cheney) or were complicit in the events of 9/11 (Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, etc.). Saddam had stopped being a puppet for our government Seek and was effetively taken out, especially since he had stopped using the dollar for oil transactions. We had to make an example out of him for anyone who is not only hostile to our big energy corporations, but also a threat to the viability of the dollar. In addition, Iraq was also one of 4 nations left on the planet with no cental bank in control of its monetary system... but not anymore. I offered to send you a free copy of my two-hour 9/11 film (which exposes the deception and truth about that day) in another thread but maybe you haven't seen it yet - send me a PM if interested.

[Seek the Truth]

And I'm merely pointing out the truth that Saddam Hussein didn't have a good reason to do what he did.

I'd be very interested in a 9-11 video if it identifies the top two or three people. Or you could pm their names if that's easier.

[InfoWarrior82]

The rape and torture and murder he was committing were enough to want to do something about him.

Oh yeah, I forgot we are the policemen of the world, right?

[Fairminded]

In the global scheme of things, most wars are fought on far flimsier pretexts than in retaliation for the theft of vital national resources.

For instance, a war where a country who has no personal stake or justification for involvement takes the side against the country seeking redress for a grievance, and goes in and murders thousands or hundreds of thousands of soldiers who have some claim on justice.

Or a war where a country invades another country for harboring the perpetrators of a crime, killing thousands or hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians who had no involvement with that crime.

Or a war where a country invades another country on the claim that the victim has the same weapons the invading country currently possesses, and they fear those weapons being used in spite of no evidence to that fact, over a million soldiers and civilians.

You want the unpleasant truth? In the last several decades America has become the world's biggest war criminal and violator of human rights.

[InfoWarrior82]

So if our government carries out injustices against it's own people, following neoconservative logic, that would give the right to a stronger nation (like China) to invade and oust our government and impose it's government structure on we the people?

[Seek the Truth]

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It sort of doesn't matter anymore, it's getting more and more Banana Republic by the day.

[AussieOi]

Yep, your country is broke and everyone is paying for it
Billions for the war machine

all the way with the republicans.

the Iraq war was what turned my wife and I off organised religion, as in, how the LDS church sidied up with warmongers and war criminals.

here we are, 10 year's later, there was no boogeyman after all.
just us the enemy.
feel we kind of lost our way then

[Headphone]

I wonder how many people are aware of the real reason Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1991? Kuwait had developed a method of slant-drilling and were stealing oil right out from underneath Saddam's feet - this is why he invaded Kuwait, but of course, we were told a pack of lies by Washington and our media about how Saddam was this evil tyrant that was attacking a small defenseless country and so we had to go over and teach him a lesson... and a lesson we did... you'd better bow to our big corporate interests and be a good little puppet for Washington or our military machine will take you down.

In directional drilling, it is difficult to get out much over a couple miles away. In ND wells are commonly drilled down up to 10,000' and up to 10,000' horizontally. After that distance it becomes very difficult to control to direction of the wellbore. If you can't control the direction you could plant the Bottom Hole Assembly (the downhole motor, the directional sensors, heavyweight drillpipe) in shale (which commonly surrounds and encapsulates the oil rich rock), and risk getting the pipe stuck.

To say that Iraq went to war against Kuwait because Kuwait was drilling a couple of miles into their border sounds unlikely and quite ludicrous! Even if they lined the rigs right on the border, the best they could rob is a couple of miles, and Iraq could do the exact same thing. Directional Drilling is not an industry loyal to governments, but money; there's no secret technology.

Even if it were true that the Kuwaiti's were doing this, the oil in the ground knows no borders. Everyone pumping from both sides of the border are draining the same reservoir.

[Col. Flagg]

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It sort of doesn't matter anymore, it's getting more and more Banana Republic by the day.

Amen to that, although, an argument could be made that we're already a banana republic, it's just that the rest of the world doesn't know it yet... once the rest of the developed world figures out what's been going on in this country financially with the 'Fed', our 'too big to fail' banks :ymsick: and Wall Street's shenanigans, it's game over for the dollar and we can say hello to the beginning of financial pain the likes of which this nation has never known.

[Col. Flagg]

I wonder how many people are aware of the real reason Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1991? Kuwait had developed a method of slant-drilling and were stealing oil right out from underneath Saddam's feet - this is why he invaded Kuwait, but of course, we were told a pack of lies by Washington and our media about how Saddam was this evil tyrant that was attacking a small defenseless country and so we had to go over and teach him a lesson... and a lesson we did... you'd better bow to our big corporate interests and be a good little puppet for Washington or our military machine will take you down.

In directional drilling, it is difficult to get out much over a couple miles away. In ND wells are commonly drilled down up to 10,000' and up to 10,000' horizontally. After that distance it becomes very difficult to control to direction of the wellbore. If you can't control the direction you could plant the Bottom Hole Assembly (the downhole motor, the directional sensors, heavyweight drillpipe) in shale (which commonly surrounds and encapsulates the oil rich rock), and risk getting the pipe stuck.

To say that Iraq went to war against Kuwait because Kuwait was drilling a couple of miles into their border sounds unlikely and quite ludicrous! Even if they lined the rigs right on the border, the best they could rob is a couple of miles, and Iraq could do the exact same thing. Directional Drilling is not an industry loyal to governments, but money; there's no secret technology.

Even if it were true that the Kuwaiti's were doing this, the oil in the ground knows no borders. Everyone pumping from both sides of the border are draining the same reservoir.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_drilling" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wells are drilled directionally for several purposes:

Increasing the exposed section length through the reservoir by drilling through the reservoir at an angle

Drilling into the reservoir where vertical access is difficult or not possible. For instance an oilfield under a town, under a lake, or underneath a difficult-to-drill formation

Allowing more wellheads to be grouped together on one surface location can allow fewer rig moves, less surface area disturbance, and make it easier and cheaper to complete and produce the wells. For instance, on an oil platform or jacket offshore, 40 or more wells can be grouped together. The wells will fan out from the platform into the reservoir(s) below. This concept is being applied to land wells, allowing multiple subsurface locations to be reached from one pad, reducing costs.

Drilling along the underside of a reservoir-constraining fault allows multiple productive sands to be completed at the highest stratigraphic points.

Drilling a "relief well" to relieve the pressure of a well producing without restraint (a "blowout"). In this scenario, another well could be drilled starting at a safe distance away from the blowout, but intersecting the troubled wellbore. Then, heavy fluid (kill fluid) is pumped into the relief wellbore to suppress the high pressure in the original wellbore causing the blowout

[Headphone]

"[quote="Col. Flagg"]
Wells are drilled directionally for several purposes:

[quote="Col. Flagg"]

I think you mean that directional wells are drilled for several reasons, for which I do not need a wiki, but thanks!

Directional drilling is used for purposes other than drilling for oil but the technology is the same, with big oil paying for most of the technology.

A slant well is a directional well, and it can still only go out a couple of miles at most. We're not talking about 20 or 30 miles, or even more than 5 or 6 miles. That's not exactly stealing the oil out from underneath Sadam's feet. It would be like your neighbor putting up a new fence 1/32 of an inch onto your property line.

If their rigs were so close to the border to be stealing, all he would have to do is fire some tank shells over and it would be solved very quickly.

[sadie_Mormon]

MSNBC? :-s

Same thing I was thinking