You're Kidding -- OI's Thread Deleted?

[tmac]

Anyone care to explain?

[Col. Flagg]

I think it all has to do with Denver Snuffer and his blog. I will say this in reference to Mr. Snuffer... he does seem to be saying what many Saints are thinking right now (at least those who are awake) and that is 'why have we become a Babylonian corporation obsessed with money and image instead of a genuine charitable religious institution that focuses on the needs and woes of others? We are currently donating 1% of our annual income to charity... a truly charitable entity with Christ at its center gives FAR more than that and doesn't construct fine sanctuaries that rob the poor or multi-billion luxury malls for the rich with 'investment income'. #-o I don't know what OI posted that was deleted, but it's good to see other members of the church expressing concern for the direction of the church in terms of its business decisions instead of sitting back like sheep and saying nothing out of fear of being disciplined or shunned for it for not blindly following and being unquestionably obedient. My conscience and spirit tells me CC is wrong and so that's why I speak up about it and I would hope any member of the church would speak up and out when something bothers them that isnt in harmony with the 4-fold mission of the church, scriptures and our Lord and Savior as we know them!

[tmac]

Sounds plausible, although not very reasonable.

Edit: Now hold on there, Col, you edited and doubled your post while I was typing mine.

Does anyone who really knows for sure care to weigh in, or are we going to be treated like mushrooms?

I really don't think asking for explanation is asking too much.

[Gad]

Brian is going out of town and away from the computer for the weekend. He popped on and asked OI to hold off until Monday so he can come back and resolve the issue.

I'd extend that invitation to everyone else. Brian has spent a lot of time on the forum and I think he deserves at least a couple of days before we pile on.

[firefly]

I saw what OI wrote before it was deleted but I believe I might get banned if I say something before Monday

[OMNS]

I had the post in question removed.

Anyone care to explain?

I felt that the post was very disrespectful of others' views, not just of my own, but also of others. The Heavenly Gift area is not like other areas and OI knows this. I am not sure why he is upset about the removal of a very disrespectful post.

Sure, people are rude to each other in other parts of the forum, but that does not belong in the HG area.

Just my two cents!

[tmac]

Much thanks for the explanation. That makes more sense. Just to clarify, I was only referring to OI's General Discussion thread late this afternoon that was active shortly, and was then removed. Obviously, it only told part of the story. Apparently I didn't see other threads/posts that it referred to. But I completely agree that in the HG section disrespectful and contentious threads and posts should be removed. The rules in that section are in place for a good reason and are seemingly fairly well understood, especially by long-time participants, including OI. Attempting to discuss what goes on in the HG section on the open forum is both an apples/oranges comparison, and completely inappropriate. If that's what happened, OI knew better. Thanks again for the explanation.

As far as I'm concerned this one can be deleted now too, because as far as I'm concerned my question is now moot.

[InfoWarrior82]

I really don't want Original_Intent to leave. He's definitely one of the best people on this forum.

[iamse7en]

For those without the benefit of having read what thread they are referring to (such as myself), google has a photographic memory.

[gkearney]

What good does it do to delete posts if google is just keeping copies of everything?

[A Random Phrase]

What good does it do to delete posts if google is just keeping copies of everything?

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Thanks, iamse7en. It does make one wonder what is going on. I was unaware of any thread deletions (sheesh, skip one day and all sorts of things are likely to happen :-s ). I was also unaware that OI was capable of making mean, nasty posts.

[bobhenstra]

Lol, I was responding with a post when OMNS cut me off at the knees---- There's a very good reason why I didn't get involved in the Forum OI was complaining about, but for now, I'll keep it to myself until I see what Brian is going to do about it!

[linj2fly]

I really don't want Original_Intent to leave. He's definitely one of the best people on this forum.

ditto

[OMNS]

TMac - I really wish that you would have contacted Brian before starting such a thread. I was never going to delete your post or your thread, as that was so inappropriate and you had every right to start this thread since you were clearly so concerned.

Anyone care to explain?

For what it's worth, Brian granted me the right to delete offensive posts in the HG area, and that was all I was truly concerned about. My interest was keeping everything respectful in the HG area, but now that you and others have made this into an issue for Brian, I am choosing to leave the forum so that my actions do not reflect poorly on Brian. I am very sorry that you felt the need to exact an explanation without communicating first with Brian.

Just so you know, Brian is truly one of the nicest guys that I have ever met. I hold him in the highest esteem, which is why I am pursuing the direction that I am now taking. I apologize to you and to all others for any harm that I may have caused this forum by my actions.

FireFly - The issue was not what OI had posted as a declaration of leaving, but was what I had deleted in the HG area because OI called us a bunch "Idol worship[pers]" who were far worse than the issues we were concerned about. What I don't understand is if OI felt that we were all such "Idol worship[pers]", why did he insist on spending so much time in the HG area. Ah well, I hope that Kevin (OI) will return so this is now a non-issue.

I saw what OI wrote before it was deleted but I believe I might get banned if I say something before Monday

In any case, I also apologize to you for your feeling uncomfortable and that you were somehow afraid that you might get banned. That is sad that my actions to try to protect the HG area have caused you to feel that way since my authority extends to one sub-forum and little else!

InfoWarrior - You probably have no idea who I am since I mostly stick to one sub-forum and I am really unfamiliar with you. But I too apologize to you as I would rather abandon that one sub-forum than to cause Brian any more issues or problems. My actions and my decisions were mine alone. Maybe if I had consulted first with Brian, things would have turned out differently. Since I am bowing out, this is our first and last contact.

I really don't want Original_Intent to leave. He's definitely one of the best people on this forum.

So now there is no reason for OI to leave. I can go and OI can remain since he was leaving strictly on my account! OI made it clear to me that I had offended him and he was not able to forgive me. Maybe if I am gone, he will find forgiveness deep down in his heart.

ARP - It has certainly been nice knowing you. I have always assumed that you enjoyed the atmosphere of the HG area, but I now know that your friendship with OI was more far important. So I want you to be able to keep the ongoing friendship.

I was unaware of any thread deletions (sheesh, skip one day and all sorts of things are likely to happen :-s ). I was also unaware that OI was capable of making mean, nasty posts.

You were unaware because I tried to keep the deletion between OI, me and one other poster who was also involved. I wish that OI would have come back to me if he had been so concerned, but instead he made it known to me that I had offended him and has now created a ruckus on the forum.

So that this large lynch mob does not succeed in causing Brian any more heartache, I am bowing out. I have enjoyed watching Brian with his newborn infant and I hate the thought of his leaving his baby for hours to try to calm people down for my own actions.

Bob - I am not sure how I cut you off at the knees. But I sure do apologize for however I did this. Knees are certainly important.

Lol, I was responding with a post when OMNS cut me off at the knees---- There's a very good reason why I didn't get involved in the Forum OI was complaining about, but for now, I'll keep it to myself until I see what Brian is going to do about it!

I am very sorry Bob that you feel whatever hurt that you believe that my actions have caused you! Please don't hold my actions against Brian.



NEXT AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, I APOLOGIZE TO YOU TOO, KEVIN (ORIGINAL_INTENT), AND I ASK YOU TO COME BACK. I MEANT NO HARM BY DELETING YOUR POST IN THE HG AREA. I HONESTLY FIGURED THAT YOUR POST WAS IMPULSIVE AND THAT YOU WOULD APPRECIATE MY DELETING IT. CLEARLY, I WAS WRONG AND I GREATLY APOLOGIZE TO YOU. PLEASE COME BACK AND TAKE MY PLACE ON THE FORUM AS EVERYONE WOULD RATHER HAVE YOU HERE THAN ME. SINCE YOU HAVE GIVEN THE ULTIMATUM, I ACCEPT AND BOW OUT!



Finally, I profusely apologize to you too Brian for failing you. You gave me a wonderful opportunity to try to make the HG area feel safe for all those with so many concerns. I was so full of ideas, but somehow failed in the execution. I take full responsibility for my own actions and bow out graciously. Thank you so much and please forgive me for any harm that I have caused your other baby! Just so you and others know, I truly enjoyed the HG area and would rather leave than allow my presence to taint people's attitudes towards that wonderful location.



God bless everyone. Thank you and Adieu!!!

[Seek the Truth]

This is just one man's opinion, but it seems like this should all be able to be worked out. Let's bring in a peacemaker.

[Squally]

OMNS don't you dare leave this forum! You have been an amazing poster and I greatly appreciate your wonderful ability to share insights and quotes. Thanks for all the past posts. You add so much to the HG area. Your ability to consolidate quotes and created topics is outstanding.

I would venture that you handled this circumstance just fine as a moderator. You were only doing what you believed was correct regarding the HG forum. It requires a judgment call to be a moderator. I would guess (based on your character and past gentle style of posts) that you were being extremely fair. :ymhug: Being a moderator can definately be difficult. Especially for a tender soul like you. But I commend you. Keep on!

Oh, and If I were a moderator I would just delete this entire thread and instead allow Brian to work this out with OI and OMNS behind the scenes (No need to make this a public contest).

[marc]

OMNS, Original Intent, get your behinds back in here and let's all be friends again. If there is any pride hurt or bruising of the ego, lay it aside and let's sort this out. This isn't yet a mole hill and we're making mountains.

Squally, as a mod, myself, I don't agree that this should be deleted or else another thread will pop up. Let's get this sorted out, Brian will return in due time and we'll all be friends again. If anything, those of us in the HG area ought to be the most understanding and forgiving.

[tmac]

First of all, I can't believe I'm up at this hour. Secondly, -- what both Squally and Coachmarc said. It would be a huge and almost unbearable loss to the LDSFF and the HG section to have first OI and then OMNS leave over this. Please guys, stick around. We love and need you here.

Otherwise -- OMNS and everyone else:

I’ve been on LDSFF for quite some time. Unfortunately, dust-ups like this do occasionally happen from time to time. There have been several in the past. There was a similar kerfuffle in the HG section last Fall/Summer. But I've never seen one quite like this one.

I apologize for my own role in stirring the pot. After spending very little time on the forum this week, I just caught a glimpse of OI’s General Discussion thread/post late Friday afternoon that was only up for a short period of time, and was then removed. The thread/post raised what appeared at the time to be legitimate questions – at least enough to raise curiosity -- but obviously it only told part of the story. For me, it was the quick removal of that General Discussion thread that raised even more questions. Frankly, I didn’t want to bother Brian either (I make an effort to very seldom ever bother Brian). I had absolutely no idea who the other players (moderators) in the General Discussion section might be, but I figured someone would provide an explanation, which as far as I am concerned has been done, and then some.

When this sort of thing happens with people who have a considerable amount of general credibility, like Jules or OI, it is painful, and obviously raises a lot of questions.

I completely agree that it would have been better if all of this could have been handled privately, without making a mountain out of a molehill. I acknowledge and accept my own role in that, and apologize.

Having said all that, it is what it is. Mistakes may have been made – that is the nature of our human existence. But acknowledgements and apologies have been made. They should be accepted. We should all now act like responsible adults and followers of Christ, and forgive and forget and move on.

Things like this occasionally happen even in the best of human relationships and discourse. While we are all human, and prone to stumble and make mistakes, l encourage us all to be as tolerant and forgiving as possible, and to learn from and make the most of this experience. More importantly, let’s not let the natural man get the best of us.

To that end, if this thread is not deleted, please at least move it to the private discussions section – which is where this whole discussion, if not undertaken entirely privately, should have occurred from the outset.

And I hope that after sleeping on it for a day or two, by the beginning of next week everyone will be ready, willing and able to forgive, forget, shake hands and move on without bearing any ill will or animosity.

Otherwise, the adversary wins another round.

[marc]

Tmac, after some thought, and as I am still up and here, we'll just leave this here. It's public now and it can be a learning and growing experience for all. I'm not going to lock it or move it. This, too, shall pass.

[AussieOi]

i spend too much time in NOM and RfM
trust me, just shake and get on with it
it isnt worth it

[AGStacker]

Hey, if OMNS leaves I'm out too!

DON'T LEAVE!

[SmallFarm]

Well I ain't leaving (I even made a thread once with that title). :ymdevil:
Seriously O_i and OMNS sounds like one misunderstanding compounding another.
Sounds like even some people being oversensitive (yes, this is SmallFarm calling someone else oversensitive, if it's coming from me you know it's gotta be true).
I'm not gonna beg you guys to stay (O_i you should know better), if you can't take written words, which have little in the way of expressing emotions, with a grain of salt and thick skin, then you really should stay away from internet forums.
Also.... quit letting the actions of other affect you... that is all.. :ymtongue:

[gr8ideas]

Pardona Moi! But if Brian leaves do I have to leave? :ymhug:

[bobhenstra]

OMNS, I wasn't hurt nor offended, did you not see that "LOL" at the beginning of my post? I didn't take part in your little sub forum simply because I read your book. And because of my own experience on this site, knew there were some here that would get very testy over it.

I wrote my treatise on salvation, http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... =19&t=5645" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

discussing a very basic part of the Gospel. And discovered there were several here who refused to understand, and attacked my views and the views of the Prophets I quoted. But I learned a lot, especially how to overcome arguments against universal salvation. So I thank all the naysayers for that improvement in my quest for more scriptural understanding, my own search for further light and knowledge improved considerably.

My good friend Shadow was banned permanently, another good friend Jason left the site because some here took license to complain about others views. I actually think there are those here whose sol purpose it is to constantly complain to Brian to get others banned or make them quit. Some very lovely sisters have left the sit because of those constant complainers, and I think that's sad, I miss those sisters and their many very well thought out posts.

I simply do not understand why we can't all agree to disagree, state that fact, and still have intelligent conversations. I'm a simple old man who is pretty much home bound, partially for health reasons, and partially because I enjoy the hermits life after raising 7 kids ---So, this site is an interesting place to spend some time, perhaps learn, and watch some crucify others and be crucified myself for simply having a view and declaring it.

The mistake I made was being so darn adamant in my political views, but many here got what they wanted and Obama was re-elected, which in my view was the absolute worst possible outcome of the election. But others here disagreed, and they got what they secretly wanted, in my view!

However, it's not my site, Brian owns it, and he has to do what he thinks is best, so I bow to his judgement!

Bob

[marc]

I have found (at least on my part it has been the case) that we tend to get emotionally invested in a subject. Passion is good, but not at the expense of charity. I don't post much any more unless I have something thoughtful or truly meaningful to contribute.