Thoughts on the Pope

[Riley Corvus]

It seems the pope's quitting now. This will be the first time in over 500 years that it's happened and I ask: why? His reason was to prevent the canonization of Pope John Paul II, who turned a blind eye to the child molestation. I once read that Richard Dawkins was suing the church for such scandals, and I wonder if it's anything to do with that, or if it's something else. All I know is that events like this usually have some dark conspiracy behind them, one that usually involves the Rothschild family, but what are they planning?

[A Random Phrase]

It is quite a shock. Rather like the president of the church resigning. Unheard of. I, also, wondered if there was a hidden reason besides the one I read about (poor health).

[HeirofNumenor]

These people (PTB and stooges) don't walk away from such power willingly....

[Elizabeth]

He is an elderly gentleman in poor health. It is a wise decision. Vigour and mental alertness is needed for such responsibility. May he find peace in retirement.

[mouse]

There are quite a few people in high positions stepping down, or resigning from their jobs for various reasons. Timothy Geithner, Ben Bernanke, CIA Director General Petraeus, General John Allen, Hillary Clinton, the Pope, and others I can't remember. I don't believe any of their given reasons. The truth is nobody wants to get caught with the hot potato, when it call comes undone.

[Rob]

These people (PTB and stooges) don't walk away from such power willingly....

Hmm. There's a quaint little place in southern France...

[JerL]

I believe that the stated reason about his health is just a cover story. Pope John Paul II was in much poorer health as a pope. Benidicts health is only being used as an excuse. I listened to a radio program that Sarah Menet did at least a couple years ago. A caller had asked her about the anti-christ. Sarah answered that the unveiling of the anti-christ would be related to the death of Pope Benedict and the people that replace him. Now Pope Benedict hasn't died yet but he is about to be replaced. This taken in light of the prophecy of St. Malachy makes for an interesting few weeks coming up.

I don't know if any thing will come of this event or not, but as has been said, a pope resigning is quite unusual.

[jimmy]

May he find the true church while in his retirement.

[Fiannan]

Would be great!

[BroJones]

Arrest warrant against the Pope?


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Pope Benedict resigned to avoid arrest, seizure of church wealth by Easter
Posted on February 13, 2013 by itccs
Diplomatic Note was issued to Vatican just prior to his resignation
New Pope and Catholic clergy face indictment and arrest as "Easter Reclamation" plan continues
A Global Media Release and Statement from The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State

Brussels:

The historically unprecedented resignation of Joseph Ratzinger as Pope this week was compelled by an upcoming action by a European government to issue an arrest warrant against Ratzinger and a public lien against Vatican property and assets by Easter.

The ITCCS Central Office in Brussels is compelled by Pope Benedict's sudden abdication to disclose the following details:

1. On Friday, February 1, 2013, on the basis of evidence supplied by our affiliated Common Law Court of Justice (itccs.org), our Office concluded an agreement with representatives of a European nation and its courts to secure an arrest warrant against Joseph Ratzinger, aka Pope Benedict, for crimes against humanity and ordering a criminal conspiracy.

2. This arrest warrant was to be delivered to the office of the "Holy See" in Rome on Friday, February 15, 2013. It allowed the nation in question to detain Ratzinger as a suspect in a crime if he entered its sovereign territory.

3. A diplomatic note was issued by the said nation's government to the Vatican's Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, on Monday, February 4, 2013, informing Bertone of the impending arrest warrant and inviting his office to comply. No reply to this note was received from Cardinal Bertone or his office; but six days later, Pope Benedict resigned.

4. The agreement between our Tribunal and the said nation included a second provision to issue a commercial lien through that nation's courts against the property and wealth of the Roman Catholic church commencing on Easter Sunday, March 31, 2013. This lien was to be accompanied by a public and global "Easter Reclamation Campaign" whereby Catholic church property was to be occupied and claimed by citizens as public assets forfeited under international law and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

5. It is the decision of our Tribunal and the said nation's government to proceed with the arrest of Joseph Ratzinger upon his vacating the office of the Roman Pontiff on a charge of crimes against humanity and criminal conspiracy.

6. It is our further decision to proceed as well with the indictment and arrest of Joseph Ratzinger's successor as Pope on the same charges; and to enforce the commercial lien and "Easter Reclamation Campaign" against the Roman Catholic church, as planned.

In closing, our Tribunal acknowledges that Pope Benedict's complicity in criminal activities of the Vatican Bank (IOR) was compelling his eventual dismissal by the highest officials of the Vatican. But according to our sources, Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone forced Joseph Ratzinger's resignation immediately, and in direct response to the diplomatic note concerning the arrest warrant that was issued to him by the said nation's government on February 4, 2013.

We call upon all citizens and governments to assist our efforts to legally and directly disestablish the Vatican, Inc. and arrest its chief officers and clergy who are complicit in crimes against humanity and the ongoing criminal conspiracy to aid and protect child torture and trafficking.

Further bulletins on the events of the Easter Reclamation Campaign will be issued by our Office this week.

Issued 13 February, 2013

12:00 am GMT
by the Brussels Central Office

[skmo]

I can understand him retiring because he didn't have the physical or mental strength to fulfill his office. It can't be an easy job. At the same time, I could also see him being pressured by outside influences. I honestly don't know enough about him to say. I haven't invested much in the way of getting to know him or follow what he does, he hasn't been around publically as long as his predecessor had. I will say I believed his popularity suffered from two things: Being German automatically linked him to Naziism by unfortunate default, and perhaps that's one of the things the Catholic Church was trying to do, erase some of the social stigma still attached to Germany from teir blackest mark. He also suffered from following one of the most popular popes, a man I believed was a very good man. John Paul II had a worldwide reputation as a great man. Taking over the job from him had to be kind of like Brian Griese coming into Denver to take over the Broncos after John Elway retired, like coming into Van Halen after David Lee Roth retired. Like Brigham Young following Joseph Smith, and Benedict didn't have the Holy Spirit to testify to the multitude assembled.

Of course, the disappointing thing to me is that now I have to change my expression "That's enough to piss off the Pope, and you don't want to do that; he used to be a Nazi."

(I know, he was only in the mandatory Hitler Youth, and never joined the Nazi Party. It worked as an expression, though.)

[skmo]

Arrest warrant against the Pope?

Do you have any information about this "International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State" organization? From their website, all I can see is a bunch of off-balance idiots who can't find a purpose for their lives, so they manufacture one that will allow them to always claim a high road regardless of what that road is paved with.

[HeirofNumenor]

These people (PTB and stooges) don't walk away from such power willingly....

Hmm. There's a quaint little place in southern France...

Monte Carlo?

[LukeAir2008]

Benjamin Creme, Maitreya's spokesman, says that the Master Jesus, who has been living inside the Vatican, is going to be taking over as the Pope.

As someone once said, everything happens for a reason. The Pope just doesn't resign. It's part of a plan to achieve something.

[HeirofNumenor]

Great. :ymsigh:

[InfoWarrior82]

Benjamin Creme, Maitreya's spokesman, says that the Master Jesus, who has been living inside the Vatican, is going to be taking over as the Pope.

As someone once said, everything happens for a reason. The Pope just doesn't resign. It's part of a plan to achieve something.

"Master Jesus" ? And I suppose that's the anti-christ?

[SmallFarm]

Benjamin Creme, Maitreya's spokesman, says that the Master Jesus, who has been living inside the Vatican, is going to be taking over as the Pope.

As someone once said, everything happens for a reason. The Pope just doesn't resign. It's part of a plan to achieve something.

"Master Jesus" ? And I suppose that's the anti-christ?

The person Creme identifies as the "Master Jesus" more closely matches the false prophet. He will appear to Christianity and declare the "Maitreya" as being the current "Christ", which Creme teaches is a title.

[Rob]

These people (PTB and stooges) don't walk away from such power willingly....

Hmm. There's a quaint little place in southern France...

Monte Carlo?

Close enough. )

[Glenn]

There is an interesting article I stumbled upon from the Washington Post.

EDIT = Article quotes and additional speculation

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle ... print.html

[JohnnyL]

These people (PTB and stooges) don't walk away from such power willingly....

+1

The timeline is being moved up, folks.

The coming changes in the CC could be much bigger and controversial than white smoke in 1958 and Cardinal Siri, Vatican II, the death of John Paul I, the attempt on John Paul II...

[Riley Corvus]

"Master Jesus" ? And I suppose that's the anti-christ?

Just so you all know, there is no specific anti-christ in the bible. It's just a name for anyone who opposes Jesus.

[Digitali]

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

You may enjoy this fascinating discussion and history of the Catholic church and Popes and prophecies that have existed to explain what may be coming, and soon. http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4 ... 361077.mp3. It's several hours long, and may help explain the meaning of some of these seemingly unrelated events. I'm not saying it's gospel or even fully accurate as they quote source we don't focus on, but it's enlightening and useful to posit in the back of your brain (plan on a few hours to listen) as events unfold.

There are many concepts spoken of if you read and study about ancient text/pseudepigrapha (via Nibley, et al.) that will be familiar to you discussed by these authors. It's important to think about these events in terms of global/ancient history as there are many players. While we have the Priesthood restored and fullness of the gospel, our religion does and will encompasses all truth..."all truth will be... (don't need to quote it all)". I think we'll all be completely amazed at the coming events in the next 5-10 years, both "great and dreadful".

[A Random Phrase]

"Master Jesus" ? And I suppose that's the anti-christ?

Just so you all know, there is no specific anti-christ in the bible. It's just a name for anyone who opposes Jesus.

I agree.

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This cannot be a pope. He does not sit in a temple as if he were God. It sounds more like a dire warning for people who live in a time and religion when true temples exist - and the temple is entered by a man who knows (son of perdition) and yet exalts himself as if he were God.

In other words, if it was in our time, it would be a man who has a knowledge of God (a prophet who has seen the Lord, for example), yet holds himself up as if he was God. I do not want to live in that day.

[Digitali]

Sorry for the confusion as there were two thoughts there...the first answering that there actually can be an "anti-christ" (among many anti-christ-type characters, institutions and organizations). I didn't mean to imply that the new Pope will be the 'temple-sitter'.

The info about the Pope and information concerning the changes with him are a separate point.

"Master Jesus" ? And I suppose that's the anti-christ?

Just so you all know, there is no specific anti-christ in the bible. It's just a name for anyone who opposes Jesus.

I agree.

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This cannot be a pope. He does not sit in a temple as if he were God. It sounds more like a dire warning for people who live in a time and religion when true temples exist - and the temple is entered by a man who knows (son of perdition) and yet exalts himself as if he were God.

In other words, if it was in our time, it would be a man who has a knowledge of God (a prophet who has seen the Lord, for example), yet holds himself up as if he was God. I do not want to live in that day.

[A Random Phrase]

Got it.