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Re: Church supporting gays over property owners?

Posted: February 8th, 2013, 1:40 pm
by Fiannan
Ben McClintock wrote:http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/5 ... h.html.csp

This bill would make it illegal, statewide, for a property owner to decide he doesn't want to rent to practicing homosexuals, and would force employers to hire them. If it is like the Salt Lake City law, the Church would be exempt, but the rest of us would have the government tell us who we heave to let live in our rental homes, and who we hire.

"Today, we are in danger of actually surrendering our personal property rights. This development, it is does occur in full term, will be a sad tragedy for our people. We must recognize that property rights are essential to human liberty" David O. McKay General Conference October 1962
Of course many "mainstream" Mormons would merely say quoting resident McKay is meaningless since he is dead. :(

Re: Church supporting gays over property owners?

Posted: February 8th, 2013, 1:43 pm
by embryopocket
Ben McClintock wrote: "Today, we are in danger of actually surrendering our personal property rights. This development, it is does occur in full term, will be a sad tragedy for our people. We must recognize that property rights are essential to human liberty" David O. McKay General Conference October 1962
That's a great quote, thanks.

Re: Church supporting gays over property owners?

Posted: February 8th, 2013, 7:05 pm
by Fairminded
Just another example of how trying to legislate morality winds up with trampling liberty being its main result. Mormons are especially bad about this, and Utah is a prime example of how legislating morality is one of the evils to be avoided.

Re: Church supporting gays over property owners?

Posted: February 9th, 2013, 4:09 pm
by Benjamin_LK
Fairminded wrote:Just another example of how trying to legislate morality winds up with trampling liberty being its main result. Mormons are especially bad about this, and Utah is a prime example of how legislating morality is one of the evils to be avoided.
Well, you also kinda have to look back at the Supreme Court Ruling, Reynolds vs. the United States, according to that ruling, polygamy should be enforceably illegal, with or without attempting to sign up for plural marriage licenses. Technically, that involves legislating against fornication and adultery or unfaithfulness to whomever you didn't sign a marriage license to, but the joys of our government nowadays is that, the government doesn't care when a guy cohabitates with and has children with, multiple women all concurrently, but only because there is no legal marriage, or because you aren't Mormon, do they care one bit. I don't wish the church to change it's policy on plural marriage right now, but the problem isn't so much legislating morality, as the carrying out of the law being corrupt and unequally weighed against select people.

The church does advocate that morality be legislated by national governments, as written in The Family: A Proclamation to the World, in fact, it calls upon governments and officials to promote the mother-father family as outlined there. If the world doesn't wish to, then the church will go on legislating to it's own sphere, and society can decide to its own loss, if it prefers.

If anyone thinks you shouldn't legislate morality, don't you realize that we will ultimately be demanded, should we live the millenial time, to be living up to the very morality that some think shouldn't be legislated?

Just some points to think about.