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Is Alex justified?

Is Glenn in the right?

Alex vs Obama

If Alex Jones behaved properly then Glenn Beck and him would probably be friends today. It was Alex that started attacking Glenn non-stop, mostly due to jealousy. Granted, Beck probably did steal his material (He has been criticized by a lot of Republican bloggers, Mark Levin, Savage, and others of stealing their material. So I think there's probably something to it) but that should've been overlooked.


Alex kinda reminds me of Michael Savage. All of his colleagues hate him because he criticizes them. If he would lay off the attacks (as hard as it may be) and put out the olive branch more often, he would have more connections and people would be more willing to listen to his message.

A few comments on the first video:

1. Early on, Alex really came across as egotistical and that he was more worried about getting credit for turning things around than anything else. I felt it wasn't his best moment.

2. During the rest of the interview, I thought he did make his points well, and tended to agree more with Alex than with the host (can;t think of his name at the moment.)

3. The host I think does not understand conspiracy the way Alex (and I do). Conspiracy does not mean that everything that happens comes down to 20 people in a smike filled room, and it also doesn;t mean that everyone that serves the conspiracy's purpose is in on the conspiracy. Really it is quite the opposite tot he latter. In large part it really does come down to a very small number of people. They do not then call up a Hollywood producer and say "I need you to make me a movie that gets "x" point across to program people. No, instead what they do is they are the ones who are opinion molders. They largely control what is broadcast. They aren't worried about convincing everyone, they focus on moving the 51% (which more often becomes the 99% due to even many who consider themselves "rebels" are rebels within certain parameters of conformity). Then as public opinion moves in the desired direction, the movie director makes a movie that feeds into the popular sentiment. Many people serve the conspiracy just out of the desire to be successful and make money, you do that by giving the public what it wants - one of the conspiracies main objectives is to control what the public thinks it wants.

For anyone that hasn't watched it, there is a 3 hour documentary on Youtube that documents this very well. Also of interest is to go back to the Rothschilds and trace whivh organizations up to our present times were funded and promoted by the Rothschilds - all documented very nicely in "None Dare Call it Conspiracy' (please not another thread on that!) and also covered pretty well in "Hiding in Plain Sight".

Anyway, i have rambled well off the subject of the OP. Sorry about that.

I like Alex and I like Glenn. Glenn is a moron and Alex is too verbose for most people. Both are trying in their own way to warn America. Glen tries to do it as I am one of you. He appeals to those that can not think the government could of possible been involved in the 9/11 attacks. Glen knows there is something wrong and can see that the country is going down in the wrong direction. He is trying to change it using the current power channels. Alex no longer believe the current power channels will be affective in any kind of real change. Alex is trying to stir the freedom loving people in this country to action. I feel that many many people will look back and wish they had listened to his call to change.

Yet, the apostles and Prophets today have told us to focus on missionary work. Strengthen your testimony into a true conversion. In the final analysis the only thing that matters is that you save your soul by follow the Savior Jesus Christ. We know the gospel will not be taken from this earth ever again. We also know that the Saints as a whole will be preserved by the hand of the Lord at the proper time. Now we must do our part.

In conclusion, Beck has problems and so does Alex. I like and don't like both of them. I can see when Glen is not being totally truthful and I can tell that Alex is a bit of a hot head.

Advise for Alex, don't every allow yourself to become an angry personality. You can still be very effective by staying calm and yet being forceful with your message.

Advise for Glen, we can tell why you are lying or stretching the truth so don't do it. Say you know something is wrong with the 9/11 report and that you support more investigations. Don't call truthers nuts. You are seeking the truth in religion are you not. Would people call you nuts for seeking the truth in religion. That is what is called a hypocrite what did the savior say about the hypocrites and the Jewish leaders of the time. Glen you are in need of some repentance.

I can discern between both of them and I can find truth and misleading statements in both of them as well. Does this mean I will not listen to them or trust anything they say anymore? no. Like always you must be the final judge and seek the truth yourself.

Finally, the American people are not going to do single thing, not a single solitary thing, until it hits them at home. Or until, they are at your front door ready to take you to the re-education camp. Of course by then it will be too late.

Glenn Beck is touting the NWO conspiracy by supporting the conspiarcy that is ABOVE all the rest............."fake" Israel, the anti-Christ, the socialist country that leads all the rest, the real Nazi's(not far right, but, far LEFT) great cover for a wolf in "sheeps" clothing

Glenn is controlled and careful not to step over certain boundary lines... Alex is not... that's all you need to know. Furthermore, Glenn is a hypocrite... here he is allegedly building some sort of utopian society built around libertarianism, yet, all he's done over the last 8 years is go after Ron Paul and his supporters (essentially Libertarians), accusing them of extremism and lunacy while associating both with 9/11 truth and mocking the hell out of them for it, yet, here he is embracing the same principles that have driven Ron and his supporters his whole political career. :ymapplause:

I respect Alex because he stands up to those crushing America. And no matter how people perceive him, he is putting himself in harms way.

I wish Glen Beck would just leave Alex Jones alone. Glen can do so much good without trying to create division. We're all brothers and sisters, and children of God. Why he wants to tell everyone that his brother, Alex, is a "spooky, fascist" is beyond my understanding. Glen should use the stewardship he has been given to uplift others and spread the truth as well as he knows how. It is a waste of time to try to cut others down. Glen can see that Alex is sincere. If he has a legitimate issue with Alex Jones' message, he should sit down and talk to him personally. Let him know how he feels. Then they can work together to spread the message of freedom, proactivity in government, and preparedness. We all, whether good or evil, have a stake in personal liberty. Most people are good and just want to provide for their families, spend time with their spouse and children, and be left alone. I am grateful for people like Alex Jones that risk their lives to uncover the evil and help us to become aware of our awful situation. Glen should see things from the perspective that the enemy of his enemy is his friend.

Shimdidly wrote:I wish Glen Beck would just leave Alex Jones alone. Glen can do so much good without trying to create division. We're all brothers and sisters, and children of God. Why he wants to tell everyone that his brother, Alex, is a "spooky, fascist" is beyond my understanding. Glen should use the stewardship he has been given to uplift others and spread the truth as well as he knows how. It is a waste of time to try to cut others down. Glen can see that Alex is sincere. If he has a legitimate issue with Alex Jones' message, he should sit down and talk to him personally. Let him know how he feels. Then they can work together to spread the message of freedom, proactivity in government, and preparedness. We all, whether good or evil, have a stake in personal liberty. Most people are good and just want to provide for their families, spend time with their spouse and children, and be left alone. I am grateful for people like Alex Jones that risk their lives to uncover the evil and help us to become aware of our awful situation. Glen should see things from the perspective that the enemy of his enemy is his friend.

:-BD

How about they BOTH leave each other alone. It takes 2 in this situation.

Alex Jones is an obssessive idealogue who radically figures, well, if I preach my conspiracy like the Word of God, well, then he wouldn't be a joke. Anything that might come close to the truth from Alex Jones is lost with his claims of "mind control", "representing the real people"? Which REAL PEOPLE? The little group of cultists that listen to him, and actually believe him. I caught on to the nutjob that equals Alex Jones back in 1999, with his doom and gloom preaching about Y2K.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHgCopVQ5Ek" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A few made up lies that Alex Jones makes up.

As for Beck, he's also nuts, but about 9/11 and exactly who did it, but fwiw, I wouldn't regard Alex Jones as the slightest bit better, given that just like Beck, he throws around quarter-truths that outweigh pretty much any accuracy he may have.

Benjamin_LK wrote:Alex Jones is an obssessive idealogue who radically figures, well, if I preach my conspiracy like the Word of God, well, then he wouldn't be a joke. Anything that might come close to the truth from Alex Jones is lost with his claims of "mind control", "representing the real people"? Which REAL PEOPLE? The little group of cultists that listen to him, and actually believe him. I caught on to the nutjob that equals Alex Jones back in 1999, with his doom and gloom preaching about Y2K.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHgCopVQ5Ek" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A few made up lies that Alex Jones makes up.

As for Beck, he's also nuts, but about 9/11 and exactly who did it, but fwiw, I wouldn't regard Alex Jones as the slightest bit better, given that just like Beck, he throws around quarter-truths that outweigh pretty much any accuracy he may have.

I have no idea why you have decided to distrust Alex Jones. The Y2K thing is a pet-favorite of the crowd that likes to try to discredit him all day, same thing with William Cooper. You don't have to like Alex Jones. To each their own, but watch your mouth when you make blanket statements trying to call someone a liar. Words like "idealogue", "cultists", "radical", and "nutjob" tell me that you have a very arrogant view of your own intelligence. Try not being so pretentious for once, we won't know what hit us!

Benjamin_LK wrote:Alex Jones is an obssessive idealogue who radically figures, well, if I preach my conspiracy like the Word of God, well, then he wouldn't be a joke. Anything that might come close to the truth from Alex Jones is lost with his claims of "mind control", "representing the real people"? Which REAL PEOPLE? The little group of cultists that listen to him, and actually believe him. I caught on to the nutjob that equals Alex Jones back in 1999, with his doom and gloom preaching about Y2K.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHgCopVQ5Ek" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A few made up lies that Alex Jones makes up.

As for Beck, he's also nuts, but about 9/11 and exactly who did it, but fwiw, I wouldn't regard Alex Jones as the slightest bit better, given that just like Beck, he throws around quarter-truths that outweigh pretty much any accuracy he may have.

What stops you from writing Alex Jones and telling him you think he's a kook? And why? Maybe you can take over for him. It's easy to sit back and make judgements, but stepping onto the coals is a whole different matter.

sadie_Mormon wrote:How about they BOTH leave each other alone. It takes 2 in this situation.

There's a whole lot more context to the situation than you are aware of. We all know the old maxim, "It takes two to tango", but at some point you've got to stand up for yourself. Alex is coming from the position of being repeatedly bullied by Glenn Beck. Attempting to discredit him, calling him a liar, calling him names, getting him kicked off of news shows, attempting to sabotage his sponsors, and attempting to get guests to stop going on his show are some of the things Glenn Beck as done to Alex Jones. I only hear Alex talk about Glenn in response to one or many of these tactics. Other than that, I hear Alex compliment, encourage, and commend Glenn for some of the good that comes out of his show. It takes a lot of character to see, and speak of the good in someone that has only tried to hurt you.

triple777 wrote:
Yet, the apostles and Prophets today have told us to focus on missionary work. Strengthen your testimony into a true conversion. In the final analysis the only thing that matters is that you save your soul by follow the Savior Jesus Christ. We know the gospel will not be taken from this earth ever again. We also know that the Saints as a whole will be preserved by the hand of the Lord at the proper time. Now we must do our part.

At the end of the day...this is where we decide what matters and where we stand. We need to be the bigger person and decern what each person has to offer and stand on the side of the Gospel.

Glenn Beck: There are elements within government that are evil and want to destroy America while changing it into a despotic utopia. For instance... Agenda 21, howard piven strategy, civilian national security force, "crime Inc", destruction of US currency, Bill Aires and his cronies saying they would set up concentration camps and murder millions of people, and on and on and on and on....

Glen Beck on the other side of his mouth: THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NEVER KILL ITS OWN CITIZENS TO FURTHER ITS GOALS! AND YOU'RE A NUTJOB FOR EVEN THINKING THEY WOULD!


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Amen!