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Utah Governor: "Utah Will Adhere to the Law" and Obey Federal Gun Laws .....

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he worse than that..........but, then, so is Hatch and Reid, yup, Romney too

And I'll add Arizona Senator Flake to the list of LDS politicians disloyal to the US Constitution.

Well Gary Herbert is not above the law. Utah citizens need to oust him. He needs to know that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. (Article VI) And he can be replaced according to the Declaration of Independence.

The organizers of the upcoming Guns Across America rally ought to speak out against him because he clearly isn't upholding and defending the Constitution, nor is he living up to his oath of office.

He needs to be reminded that Federal Gun Laws are unconstitutional.

Does anyone know where Missouri Gov or sherriffs stand? would like to know....

Most of our politicos need to be changed...like a bad diaper.

Our county governments do not share the same communists utopian ideologies as the governor obviously.

How out of step with reality can gun haters be?

But then they have armed body guards 24/7.

freedomfighter wrote:Well Gary Herbert is not above the law. Utah citizens need to oust him. He needs to know that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. (Article VI) And he can be replaced according to the Declaration of Independence.

The organizers of the upcoming Guns Across America rally ought to speak out against him because he clearly isn't upholding and defending the Constitution, nor is he living up to his oath of office.

He needs to be reminded that Federal Gun Laws are unconstitutional.

Unfortunately according to the US Constitution our opinions on what it means don't matter. It's written right in the document that only the opinion of the Supreme Court matters, and even then it is a majority vote within the group. We can certainly offer our opinions in this system, but the official interpretation, the one that will decide where the guns are pointed, is not ours.

jonesde wrote:

freedomfighter wrote:Well Gary Herbert is not above the law. Utah citizens need to oust him. He needs to know that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. (Article VI) And he can be replaced according to the Declaration of Independence.

The organizers of the upcoming Guns Across America rally ought to speak out against him because he clearly isn't upholding and defending the Constitution, nor is he living up to his oath of office.

He needs to be reminded that Federal Gun Laws are unconstitutional.

Unfortunately according to the US Constitution our opinions on what it means don't matter. It's written right in the document that only the opinion of the Supreme Court matters, and even then it is a majority vote within the group. We can certainly offer our opinions in this system, but the official interpretation, the one that will decide where the guns are pointed, is not ours.

I disagree. The Constitution isn't open for interpretation. Our rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights are granted by God.

The duty of the Supreme Court is to rule whither subsequent laws confirm to the Constitution. A job they have done not done for decades.

A public servant, like a governor, takes an oath to uphold the Constitution and thus can be charged with treason based solely on comments disparaging or failing to uphold the Constitution and their oath of office.

dauser wrote:Most of our politicos need to be changed...like a bad diaper.

Our county governments do not share the same communists utopian ideologies as the governor obviously.

How out of step with reality can gun haters be?

But then they have armed body guards 24/7.

It's not that they are against guns, rather, it is that they don't want "you" or "I" owning a gun. Once they get it from "us" they can shoot us for our resistance of their will, we then become slaves. This is what socialism is all about...dictatorship.

jonesde wrote:

freedomfighter wrote:Well Gary Herbert is not above the law. Utah citizens need to oust him. He needs to know that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. (Article VI) And he can be replaced according to the Declaration of Independence.

The organizers of the upcoming Guns Across America rally ought to speak out against him because he clearly isn't upholding and defending the Constitution, nor is he living up to his oath of office.

He needs to be reminded that Federal Gun Laws are unconstitutional.

Unfortunately according to the US Constitution our opinions on what it means don't matter. It's written right in the document that only the opinion of the Supreme Court matters, and even then it is a majority vote within the group. We can certainly offer our opinions in this system, but the official interpretation, the one that will decide where the guns are pointed, is not ours.

This is why I've been trying to get people to read Jerome Horowitz's booklet "The United States Has Two Constitutions". There is the Founders Constitution and there is the Court's Constitution. And they do not coincide. That is how Obamacare got passed.

See: http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/jh_gk/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jerome Horowitz, The United States Has Two Constitution, Chapter 2

"As the judicial branch of the federal government, the Supreme Court has the responsibility of judging the constitutionality of laws involved in cases that come before it. That responsibility was clearly expressed in the often referred to case of Marbury v. Madison in which Justice Marshall stated that where a case before the court involves a law incompatible with the Constitution, its duty is to enforce the Constitution and not the law contrary to it. This obviously sound doctrine came to be known as judicial review.

"In time the doctrine of judicial review was changed although the label "judicial review" remained the same. Under the modem doctrine of judicial review the Supreme Court still purports to be enforcing the Constitution, but actually changes the Constitution to conform to what a majority of its justices feel the Constitution should have provided but did not.

"In other words what the Supreme Court enforces is a Constitution of its own, which it refers to as the Constitution, but which in reality is not the Constitution that was drafted by the Framers and ratified by the people. This other Constitution enforced by the Supreme Court is an unwritten Constitution, the provisions of which are contained in various Supreme Court opinions. Its provisions are adopted and changed at will by the Supreme Court without any input or consent from the people.


Shane Krauser - Your Nation To Save, Pg. 35

"Congress has the power to collect taxes from the people and the states....The collection of these taxes is to be utilized to pay the debts of the United States, provide for the defense of the entire nation, and to expend money for the welfare of the whole people or all of the member states. In other words, the federal taxes may not be levied for special interest groups or certain specific locales throughour the country."


Dr. W. Cleon Skousen - The Making Of America, Pg. 387

"The people of the states empower the Congress to expend money (for rhe enumerated purposes listed in Article I, Section 8), provided it is done in a way that benefits the general welfare of the whole people."

"This provision gave the Congress the RIGHT to expend funds for all of the purposes itemized in Article I, Section 8, provided that it was done for the general welfare of all the people, and not for individual or preferred groups.....Thomas Jefferson explained that it was intended to "limit the power of taxation" to matters which provided for the welfare of "the Union" or the welfare of the whole nation. In other words, taxes could not be levied for states, counties, or special interest groups....Madison supported Jefferson's view that this clause restricted the taxing power to matters which provided support for the national government in carrying out its assigned responsibilities."

"However, after Hamilton became Secretary of the Treasury, he began to argue that the welfare clause was a general grant of power, and that Congress could spend tax money or even borrow money for a good cause even though it was not included among the enumerated powers, and even though it was for local or special welfare rather than general welfare."

"Finally, in 1936 the Supreme Court gave its unqualified endorsement to Hamilton's views on the taxing power. Justice Roberts wrote the opinion to settle once and for all whether the Jefferson-Madison interpretation or the Hamilton theory should prevail. He stated:
"Madison asserted it [the welfare clause] amounted to no more than a reference to the other powers enumerated in the subsequene clauses of the same section; that, as the United States is a government of limited and enumerated powers, the grant of power to tax and spend for the general national welfare must be confined to the enumerated legislative fields committed to Congress....Hamilton, on the other hand, maintained the clause confers a power seperate and distinct from those later enumerated, is not restricted in meaning by the grant of them, and Congress consequently has a substantive power to tax and to appropriate, limited only by the requirement that it shall be exercised to provide for the general welfare of the United States....While, therefore, the power to tax is not unlimited, its confines are set in the clause which confers it, andnot in those of Section 8 which bestow and define the legislative power of Congress."

"The obvious contradiction in the concluding sentence defies rational explanation. The court admitted that this section defines the enumerated powers to which the Congress is restricted and then turns around and uses the words "general welfare" to justify legislating in ANY field even though it is not enumerated.

"This decision alone was sufficient to literally destroy the whole concept of limited government...."Justice Roberts....stated as a positive judicial mandate that the "general welfare" clause allows Congress "to authorize expenditure of public moneys for public purposes [and] is NOT LIMITED by the direct grants of legislative power found in the Constitution."


Thus the floodgates were opened for all sorts of welfare and other abuses of the US Constitution.

DrJones wrote:Does anyone know where Missouri Gov or sherriffs stand? would like to know....

As far as I know, out of 114 Counties, there are 16 County Sheriff's in Missouri so far. In my state, Oregon, there are 18.

......................................County
86 Brad A. DeLay...............Lawrence................Missouri
87 Charles Heiss................Johnson..................Missouri
88 Steve Cox.....................Livingston...............Missouri
89 Mick Epperly..................Barry.....................Missouri
90 Stephen Stockman...........Mercer...................Missouri
91 George R. Underwood......Oregon...................Missouri
92 Michael Dixon.................Osage....................Missouri
93 Randee Kaiser................Jasper....................Missouri
94 Steven R. Blunkall...........Shannon..................Missouri
95 James Sigman................Texas.....................Missouri
96 Mark Dobbs....................Butler....................Missouri
97 Gary Schaaf...................Perry......................Missouri
98 Randy Esphorst...............Gasconade..............Missouri
99 Kevin T. Harrison............Warren...................Missouri
100 Jimmy Shinn.................Marion....................Missouri
101 Gerry Dinwiddie............Ralls.......................Missouri

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mes5464 wrote:

jonesde wrote:

freedomfighter wrote:Well Gary Herbert is not above the law. Utah citizens need to oust him. He needs to know that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. (Article VI) And he can be replaced according to the Declaration of Independence.

The organizers of the upcoming Guns Across America rally ought to speak out against him because he clearly isn't upholding and defending the Constitution, nor is he living up to his oath of office.

He needs to be reminded that Federal Gun Laws are unconstitutional.

Unfortunately according to the US Constitution our opinions on what it means don't matter. It's written right in the document that only the opinion of the Supreme Court matters, and even then it is a majority vote within the group. We can certainly offer our opinions in this system, but the official interpretation, the one that will decide where the guns are pointed, is not ours.

I disagree. The Constitution isn't open for interpretation. Our rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights are granted by God.

The duty of the Supreme Court is to rule whither subsequent laws confirm to the Constitution. A job they have done not done for decades.

A public servant, like a governor, takes an oath to uphold the Constitution and thus can be charged with treason based solely on comments disparaging or failing to uphold the Constitution and their oath of office.

This is a problem with the US Constitution: if the Supreme Court fails to uphold the constitution by reversing unconstitutional law, what can be done about it? In the document itself there isn't a clear remedy for this. Congress can go after the Executive for breaking laws it passes (though not for refusing to enforce laws passed, which is constitutionally what a President should be doing for bad laws), but that is different. When it comes to interpreting the constitution and acting within the system prescribed by the constitution, we mostly have to rely on the Supreme Court... and with multiple branches of the US Govt colluding to violate the plain interpretation of the document we have no real remedy.

We can try to bring legal action against the President or against a state Governor, but if the legal bodies responsible for hearing and acting on it don't go along with it, then that's pretty much it.

Or am I missing something? Is there a recourse within the system for holding an executive (President or Governor) responsible for their illegal actions that does not involve the Judicial or Legislative bodies?

jonesde wrote:

mes5464 wrote:

jonesde wrote:
Unfortunately according to the US Constitution our opinions on what it means don't matter. It's written right in the document that only the opinion of the Supreme Court matters, and even then it is a majority vote within the group. We can certainly offer our opinions in this system, but the official interpretation, the one that will decide where the guns are pointed, is not ours.

I disagree. The Constitution isn't open for interpretation. Our rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights are granted by God.

The duty of the Supreme Court is to rule whither subsequent laws confirm to the Constitution. A job they have done not done for decades.

A public servant, like a governor, takes an oath to uphold the Constitution and thus can be charged with treason based solely on comments disparaging or failing to uphold the Constitution and their oath of office.

This is a problem with the US Constitution: if the Supreme Court fails to uphold the constitution by reversing unconstitutional law, what can be done about it? In the document itself there isn't a clear remedy for this. Congress can go after the Executive for breaking laws it passes (though not for refusing to enforce laws passed, which is constitutionally what a President should be doing for bad laws), but that is different. When it comes to interpreting the constitution and acting within the system prescribed by the constitution, we mostly have to rely on the Supreme Court... and with multiple branches of the US Govt colluding to violate the plain interpretation of the document we have no real remedy.

We can try to bring legal action against the President or against a state Governor, but if the legal bodies responsible for hearing and acting on it don't go along with it, then that's pretty much it.

Or am I missing something? Is there a recourse within the system for holding an executive (President or Governor) responsible for their illegal actions that does not involve the Judicial or Legislative bodies?

A tid-bit of info

Obama not subject to charges of treason?
June 21, 2011
Sher Zieve, RenewAmerica analyst

Treason is generally defined as "betrayal of country: a violation of the allegiance owed by somebody to his or her own country, e.g. by aiding an enemy."

High treason is defined as "treason perpetrated by somebody against his or her own country."

Another apt definition of treason is "any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government."

It is my contention that Barack Hussein Obama has perpetrated all of these. It is also my assertion that our current Congress and our increasingly leftist court system have allowed — and continue to allow — Obama to perpetrate such treachery upon the United States of America and its citizens with impunity.

From the start, Obama has defrauded and undermined our country

Prior to his 2008 campaign, Obama was never vetted as to his eligibility to run for the office of president.

Once elected to the most powerful position in America, and arguably the world, Obama then issued an executive fiat that all of his prior records (school transcripts, passport information, birth certificate, etc.) were to be sealed and summarily hidden from the American people and the world.

Since that time, Obama has produced multiple "birth certificates" that have each been proven to be fraudulent, including the ostensible long-form birth certificate released April 27, 2011.

Within the first week of his presidency, Obama also issued executive orders to fund foreign countries' abortions, donate at least $20 million to terrorist Hamas (under the guise of "Palestinian relief"), and begin testing his ability to censor public information through another executive order to ban showing or posting the video of his retaking the Oath of Office. Along with myriad other mysteries, one has to ponder why this was a great concern to Obama.

Shortly thereafter, Obama issued another executive order that brought the Census Bureau under his sole jurisdiction and control. This strongly appears to have been effected by Obama in order that he — alone — would have the ability to interpret and skew any and all census results that did not meet with his approval.

Once he gained (many say "usurped") the office of the presidency, Obama has undertaken repeated attempts to unravel the First Amendment. These attempts have ranged from banning and refusing to speak with reporters who asked him tough questions to actually locking them in closets!

With no one stopping him, the Obama syndicate becomes increasingly bolder and more criminal every day.

Obama's dictatorship continues to expand unchecked

When he discovered — even after the 2010 mid-term elections — that no one from the Establishment Republican side of the House of Representatives would stop him, Obama stepped up his game to put into place America's first official dictatorship. Side note: Even the new Speaker of the House — Rep. John Boehner — apparently prefers golfing with Mr. Obama to actually saving the country from the ongoing tyrannical takeover being undertaken by Obama and his minions. Despite a letter Boehner recently sent Obama questioning the president's authority to wage war against Libya, Boehner and the other Republicans-in-name-only continue to embolden Obama toward expanding his growing usurpation of power.

Obama has purposely, and with apparent malice toward America and its people, caused the U.S. economy to be all but destroyed, has worked to end jobs for Americans, and even laughs at us — on video — on an almost daily basis.

The latest slap from Obama — revealing his contempt for our intelligence — is his comment on jobs projects he originally said were supposed to be "shovel-ready." Joked the president: "Shovel-ready was not as shovel-ready as we expected."

In April of this year, Obama mocked a man who had asked him about the extremely high price of gasoline and laughed at him while he said: "I know some o' these big guys, there still drivin' their big SUVs. You know, they got their big monster trucks and everything. You're one of 'em? [points to man in audience]. Well now, here's my point. You know, if you're complaining about the price of gas, and you're only gettin' 8 miles a gallon [laughs at man, pauses for audience to laugh at man, mocks the man with facial expression]... You know [laughs] you might have a big family, but it's probably not THAT big [laughs, audience laughs]... So — how many you have, 10 kids you say? 10 kids? [mocking facial expression again, encouraging people to laugh at the man] Well... you definitely need a hybrid van then... Like I said, if you're gettin' 8 miles a gallon you might wanna think about a trade-in."

Yet, Obama continues to spend money — our money — on our enemies overseas, and give taxpayer money to his unions, while partying at the White House as if there's no tomorrow, spending billions on his and his family's increasingly frequent and extravagant vacations. And now with the lack of any real opposition from either Congress or the growing Socialist/Communist court system, Obama apparently has full sway to do whatever he pleases to attack and decimate both We-the-People and our country — and he IS doing it. No wonder he laughs at and derides us at every opportunity!

Obama gives an indication of our dire future — if he is not removed

Obama and his (now misnamed) Department of Justice chief Eric Holder have filed suit against Arizona and other states (now to include Georgia) who had the audacity to fight the annihilation of their states due to the government's refusal to enforce laws against illegal invasion. And he has encouraged other countries (Mexico and other Latin American countries) to do the same. Obama is now siding firmly with foreign countries that are lined up against the United States of America. This is called high treason.

These actions on the part of the Obama administration constitute no less than an attempt to bring down the country, throw out Federalism, end the Constitution's protections for both the states and the citizens of our country, and establish a dictatorship. There is no other logical conclusion.

The latest atrocity committed against We-the-People is Obama's response to Boehner's letter regarding Obama's now-illegal war in Libya, in which Boehner cites the Constitution's Article 1, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power.... To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions...."

Obama's response is that the United Nations now trumps or replaces the U.S. Constitution.

Obama wrote: "U.S. forces are playing a constrained and supporting role in a multinational coalition, whose operations are both legitimated by and limited to the terms of a United Nations Security Council Resolution that authorizes the use of force solely to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under attack or threat of attack and to enforce a no-fly zone and an arms embargo."

Obama has now "officially" done away with the Constitution and made America subservient to the United Nations.

Civil unrest "imminently possible"

Virtually every day, Barack Hussein Obama is committing multiple treasons and high treasons against the United States of America. And STILL he is allowed to do so with nary a scolding...or a whimper. Nothing is ever done to stop him. Isn't it time for us to do so? Isn't it?

Who or what group might be willing to organize a few massive marches on D.C., and especially Congress, to stop this insanity and destruction of our country, our lives, and everything that — by the grace of God — we Americans have built or hold dear? Otherwise, there seems to be no other solution except violent civil unrest.

Even dyed-in-the-wool Democrat James Carville has said: "You know, look...you're smart enough to see this. People, you know, if it continues, we're going to start to see civil unrest in this country. I hate to say that, but I think it's imminently possible."

"And all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" (Revelation 13:3-5).

We-the-People can...if we have both the resolve and the courage to do so.

© Sher Zieve

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A little more:

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Thursday, 8 November 2012-
70th Anniversary OPERATION TORCH - World War II Northwest Africa - Casablanca
From: Walter Francis Fitzpatrick, III United States Navy Retired
To:
• Robert Swan Mueller, III, Director - Federal Bureau of Investigation, Washington D.C. (ORIGINAL)
• The Foreman of the two sitting Federal Grand Juries sitting in Knoxville, Tennessee via William C. Killian, U.S. Attorney for Tennessee's Easter District

SUBJECT: FORMAL CRIMINAL COMPLAINTS NAMING BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMAIN COMMISSION OF TREASON!

1. OBAMA represents a clear and present danger to U.S. national security, to the U.S. Constitution and to our Republican form of government. OBAMA IS A FOREIGN BORN DOMESTIC ENEMY! OBAMA is working assiduously to destroy America! No document record exists showing Barack Hussein OBAMA to be a United States citizen.

2. OBAMA paid money and aided and abetted Al-Qaeda members and groups that attacked Americans on U.S. territory in Benghazi, Libya on
11 and 12 September 2012. Al-Qaeda is the jihadist terrorist organization that attacked the United States on 11 September 2001.

3. Pro-jihadist and Islamist OBAMA personally denied frantic cries for help from Americans in mortal danger throughout a 7-hour attack by
approximately 150 heavily armed known jihadists. OBAMA watched four Americans die in real time. OBAMA is allowing our enemies to slaughter our servicemen piecemeal at the same time ordering our troops to disarm.

4. OBAMA lies to the American people about his TREASON with every opportunity. OBAMA is lying to the American people about the 11-12
September attack in Benghazi, Libya in a cover story intended to protect OBAMA from facing a criminal prosecution and conviction.

5. OBAMA is personally responsible for the 6 August 2011 shoot-down of an Army CH-47D Chinook helicopter in Afghanistan. 17 Navy SEALS died. All 5 men of the Chinook crew died. 3 Air Force special tactics airmen died. 5 men of a Navy support force died. OBAMA and his gang of outlaws lie to the America people about that.

6. In commission of TREASON OBAMA is engaged in purchasing and supplying guns, heavy weapons, high-powered munitions and explosives
to foreign aggressors-AMERICA'S ENEMIES-around the globe. OBAMA has and continues to ship weapons from Libya to Syria through Turkey. Some weapons may be being directly shipped to Syria. Christopher Stevens was OBAMA's point man of this operation when Stevens was murdered in Benghazi during the attack of 11-12 September 2012. In this TREASON OBAMAis arming America's enemies: Al-Qaeda
and the Muslim Brotherhood connected Syrian rebels.

7. As an Act of TREASON OBAMA provides safe-haven and sanctuary to those bent on the destruction of the United States, its people, and its form of government. OBAMA encourages, facilitates and arms our enemies to carry out a WAR on the United States from enemy bases set up in the homeland and around the globe. OBAMA aids and abets these known enemy forces to establish and strike from strongholds OBAMA allows established on American soil.

8. OBAMA refuses to pledge his allegiance to the United States. OBAMA conspires with leaders of countries, groups and organizations
bent upon the destruction of America. By so doing OBAMA engages in TREASON against the United States in every aspect of TREASON.

9. As an Act of TREASON OBAMA broke into and occupies the White House by force of contrivance, concealment, conceit, dissembling and deceit. OBAMA is an undocumented illegal alien and spy. Posing as an imposter president and commander-in-chief OBAMA strips civilian command and control over the military establishment. Known military criminal actors command racketeers such as Martin Dempsey-are free in the exercise of an extra-military government intent upon the destruction of our Republican, constitutional form of governance. There are dozens of senior military commanders no more obedient to the United States Constitution than is OBAMA.

10. OBAMA is joined in his TREASON by a raft of civilian criminal assistants too numerous to name in this submission. I leave it to the
Grand Jury, in the conduct of an independent, autonomous, and unfettered investigation, to assign specificity and particularity to the list
of OBAMA'S co-conspiring outlaws.

11. OBAMA is a FOREIGN BORN DOMESTIC ENEMY, an infiltrator, a traitor and a spy. OBAMA installed and operates a government that rivals and competes with our U.S. Constitution. OBAMA operates government not found in our United States Constitution. If not arrested OBAMA will continue to commit TREASON. OBAMA is emboldened now and more dangerous to this country's survival as a constitutional Republic than any other threat the United States faces in the world.

12. We come now to this reckoning: I accuse Barack Hussein OBAMA of TREASON. I accuse OBAMA'S military-political criminal assistants of TREASON. Their criminal mischief is recognized as TREASON in pure form. I expose and identify OBAMA and his criminal associates as TRAITORS (Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Leon Panetta, Susan Rice, David Petraeus and Martin Dempsey but a few).

13. It needs be said out loud and relentlessly: OBAMA is aiding and abetting America's enemies. OBAMA is lying to the American people in every regard going to OBAMA'S TREASONOUNS escapades. OBAMA IS A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THESE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA!

14.This submission renews and extends all previous filings naming OBAMA in commission of TREASON dating from 17 March 2009. The list of ACTS of OBAMA'S TREASON found in this formal criminal complaint is not exhaustive. Far from it.

15. My sworn duty is to stand against everything OBAMA stands for. The FOREIGN BORN DOMESTIC ENEMY OBAMA IS NOT MY PRESIDENT! HE IS NOT MY COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF! "This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is perhaps, the end of the beginning."

Obedient to my oath to the United States Constitution in submission of this criminal complaint for TREASON I remain stead fast and,
~BORN1FIG!HT:ING!,~:lf!~'[~}/~/ United States Navy Retired
Distribution wide Sworn and issued before me this 8th day of November 2012 at /(/X/J3 hours local ( 14:¢>Ja.m. EST)

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I agree with freedomfighter, the solution to tyranny in the U.S.A. is in the hands of the "We The People". No one else has the authority to deal with it.

As it says in this verse,

D&C 134 wrote: 1 We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society.

"We The People" are responsible for the actions of our government. If the government is violating God's law, filling innocent people in foreign lands, sending guns into Mexico, destroying the Constitution at home, etc, only "We The People" have the authority and obligation to set it right. We should have done it a long time ago.

It's almost always the case that when a system breaks down, repairing it within the system is impossible. Perhaps the Founding Fathers didn't add too many ways for directly addressing treason in our government because they knew that when it got to that point, the government wouldn't be able to fix itself and would have to be fixed from outside.

mes5464 wrote:I agree with freedomfighter, the solution to tyranny in the U.S.A. is in the hands of the "We The People". No one else has the authority to deal with it.

As it says in this verse,

D&C 134 wrote: 1 We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society.

"We The People" are responsible for the actions of our government. If the government is violating God's law, filling innocent people in foreign lands, sending guns into Mexico, destroying the Constitution at home, etc, only "We The People" have the authority and obligation to set it right. We should have done it a long time ago.

Point well taken, and along those lines are these words:

The devil knows that if the elders of Israel should ever wake up, they could step forth and help preserve freedom and extend the gospel. Therefore the devil has concentrated, and to a large extent successfully, in neutralizing much of the priesthood. He has reduced them to sleeping giants. His arguments are clever….
[Says the devil]: “Don’t do anything in the fight for freedom until the Church sets up its own specific program to save the Constitution.” This brings us right back to the scripture…to those slothful servants who will not do anything until they are “compelled in all things” [D&C 58:26]. Maybe the Lord will never set up a specific church program for the purpose of saving the Constitution. Perhaps if he set one up at this time it might split the Church asunder, and perhaps he does not want that to happen yet for not all the wheat and tares are fully ripe….
[H]ave we elders been warned? Yes, we have. And have we elders been given the guidelines? Yes indeed, we have. And besides, if the Church should ever inaugurate a program [to save the Constitution], who do you think would be in the forefront to get it moving? It would not be those who were sitting on the sidelines prior to that time or those who were appeasing the enemy. It would be those choice spirits who, not waiting to be “commanded in all things,” used their own free will, the counsel of the prophets, and the Spirit of the Lord as guidelines and who entered the battle “in a good cause” and brought to pass much righteousness in freedom’s cause….
Brethren, if we had done our homework and were faithful, we could step forward at this time and help save this country. The fact that most of us are unprepared to do it is an indictment we will have to bear. The longer we wait, the heavier the chains, the deeper the blood, the more the persecution, and the less we can carry out our God-given mandate and worldwide mission. The war in heaven
is raging on the earth today. Are you being neutralized in the battle? (April 1965, General Conference)

Also:

For years we have heard of the role the elders could play in saving the Constitution from total destruction. But how can the elders be expected to save it if they have not studied it and are not sure if it is being destroyed or what is destroying it?...
Now it is not so much a case of a man giving up all his other duties to fight for freedom, as it is a case of a man getting his life in balance so he can discharge all of his God-given responsibilities. And of all these responsibilities President McKay has said that we have “no greater immediate responsibility” than “to protect the freedom vouchsafed by the Constitution of the United States.” There is no excuse that can compensate for the loss of liberty.
Satan is anxious to neutralize the inspired counsel of the Prophet and hence keep the priesthood off balance, ineffective and inert in the fight for freedom. He does this through diverse means, including the use of perverse reasoning….
The cause of freedom is a most basic part of our religion. Our position on freedom helped get us to this earth and it can make the difference as to whether we get back home or not….
Now part of the reason why we do not have sufficient Priesthood bearers to save the Constitution, let alone to shake the powers of hell, is, I fear, because unlike Moroni, our souls do not joy in keeping our country free and we are not firm in the faith of Christ, nor have we sworn with an oath to defend our rights. (October 25, 1966, Brigham Young University Speeches of the Year)

In view of the responsibility of Latter-day Saints “to protect the freedom vouchsafed by the Constitution of the United States.” as explained by numerous prophets and apostles, and our general neglect of this responsibility, can anyone see how we can be absolved of this responsibility and avoid suffering for having neglected/ignored it ?

What is wrong with our local politicians and especially Gov. Herbert? How can anyone in their right mind, who is awake to the fact that we have a criminal syndicate in charge of our so-called federal 'government' which bends over backwards for the wealthy elite, corporations, big banks and MIC, ask the people in his state to honor and obey any unconstitutional dictates emanating from it??? :ymsick: X( :ymapplause: I can't believe Herbert is ignorant to our rights contained in the Constitution so he must be owned and controlled just like Hatch, Reid, Romney, etc. X( Our local and county Sheriffs are the only real men representing we, the people right now. :ymapplause: :ymhug:

jeanpierre wrote:In view of the responsibility of Latter-day Saints “to protect the freedom vouchsafed by the Constitution of the United States.” as explained by numerous prophets and apostles, and our general neglect of this responsibility, can anyone see how we can be absolved of this responsibility and avoid suffering for having neglected/ignored it ?

This is from 1948. Does anything said here sound familiar today?

George Albert Smith
…I want to raise my voice to you and say, our Heavenly Father raised up the very men that framed the Constitution of the United States. He said he did. He gave to us the greatest [palladium] of human rights that the world knows anything about, the only system whereby people could worship God according to the dictates of their consciences…. Yet, we have people who would like to change that and bring some of those forms of government that have failed absolutely to make peace and happiness and comfort any other place in the world, and exchange what God has given to us—the fullness of the earth and the riches of liberty and happiness. Yet, there are those who go around whispering and talking and saying, “Let us change this thing.” I am saying to you that to me the Constitution of the United States of America is just as much from my Heavenly Father as the Ten Commandments. When that is my feeling …I am going to try to keep it where the Lord started it, and not let anti-Christs come into this country that began because people wanted to serve God. (April 1948, General Conference)

Joseph Fielding Smith
When we abide in the law which the Lord has approved, then we are free. It was his mighty hand which directed the founders of the government of the United States and gave this nation the constitution in the beginning…. The constitutional law was given by inspiration for the purpose of protecting the rights of the citizens of the country. The Lord delights in freedom. (1948, Church History and Modern Revelation, 1:433)

And from 1942:

J. Reuben Clark
[The] Constitution of the United States is the basic law for all of the Americas, of Zion, as it has been defined by the Lord….
[The] great essentials of that document, the Constitution of the United States, which God Himself inspired, is the law of Zion, the Americas.
So, Brethren, I wish you to understand that when we begin to tamper with the Constitution we begin to tamper with the law of Zion which God Himself set up, and no one may trifle with the word of God with impunity. (October 1942, General Conference)

DrJones wrote:Does anyone know where Missouri Gov or sherriffs stand? would like to know....

Did you get the info you wanted?