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Re: Bill Marriott -- pro Gay
Posted: February 2nd, 2013, 9:35 am
by Benjamin_LK
Fiannan wrote:Can a good member of the church sell drugs, as long as he does not take them personally? I mean he or she would be providing a service to the public.
Maybe it is true or isn't true, I don't know, but I have a hard time buying this whole image that there are a bunch of CEOs on the board or stockholders that are so dedicated to making sure porn is available for customers that they are forcing it to be so.
I know that alcohol is far more dangerous to society than pornography is, and yes you can get alcohol at a Marriott hotel, but maybe the reason this topic comes up so much is due to the hysteria many members have towards pornography lately. One can only guess how many marriages have been shattered, or how many youth have thrown their hands into the air and said, "Enough of going to church!" due to the new witch trial hysteria over it. In fact I would say far fewer marriages have ended due to a man or woman looking (occasionally) at regular porn than from a result of a woman finding out that her husband has looked at it and, due to cultural expectations, feeling like he is a loser. I say women freaking out because the average man who discovers his wife is looking at porn is probably not going to make a huge issue of it. So due to this hysteria I find it incredible that so many members will excuse the issue if a person is rich. They will find any and all explanations or justifications, as we have seen.
Interesting to say the least. Almost like seeing a peace bumper-sticker on the back of a car with an Obama-2012 sticker.
I would personally appeal to do whatever I could to avoid selling something, or promoting something I object to. In fact, I would stick to the standards of the church as far as I can before it gets demanded by law of me. For instance, as a retail employee, it eventually reached the point where they demanded that I work on Sundays, however, when it was optional, I didn't take the option, and I didn't include Sunday in my hours of prime availability. Again, a great deal of it rests with personal conscience and the spirit for each of us.
Re: Bill Marriott -- pro Gay
Posted: February 2nd, 2013, 12:07 pm
by jcricket6048
heartsongs wrote:Well, Mr/Bro. Marriott has his freedom to choose his path in life how ever he sees fit regarding every aspect of his life. The only person's soul I can save is my own. As for me....if I had a business of my own, that business would be ran based on gospel principles. There is a big difference between allowing people to make their own decisions/exercise their agency by letting them go to the video store down the street to purchase their pornography and "providing the convenience for them" right in their own room. Someone in a previous post said he was just allowing them to make their own choice. I disagree. This comparison is like comparing apples and oranges; there is no comparison. You are providing the sinful act for others, or one could even call it "provoking or placing the temptation in front of the individual potentially causing/contributing him/her to commit sin. Umm...for me, I'll pass. I have enough to repent for. But, like I said....to each his own. The only person's salvation I can work on is my own.
now hold on a second there I knew a Stake President in Kentucky that grew tobacco but that does not make him a hypocrite just because he grows tobacco he is growing it because it has other purpose than cigarettes. But his products has been sold to cigarrette company from a third party but that does not make him a hypocrite. There are others that done some similar business but that does not make him a hypocrite. Just be careful who you are pointing your fingers because it will come back to you. I had a business where we ran a vending machine in some business establishments and we sold candy and soda pop. This is hardly a healthy snacks but it provided them with some refreshments and yet it does not follow the Word of Wisdom. I am not alone in this endeavor but if my business was failing because those people want to follow the Word of Wisdom then I would chose other ingredients to support my business. But in the meantime I will continue to run my business selling candy and soda pop.
Re: Bill Marriott -- pro Gay
Posted: February 2nd, 2013, 3:39 pm
by Fiannan
jcricket6048, or anyone else, how would you view the following people:
A) Man doesn't look at porn, makes a load of money distributing it.
B) Single mom about to get kicked out of her home becomes a stripper. Never has relations with any customer, just dances nude.
C) 14 year old girl caught by mom looking at internet porn.
Oh, and by the way, candy and soda do not violate the WofW. The overindulgence in them, and lack of exercise, I would say does.
Re: Bill Marriott -- pro Gay
Posted: February 3rd, 2013, 12:06 am
by Liberty_Agent
Why all the homophobic bigotry on this forum?
Re: Bill Marriott -- pro Gay
Posted: February 3rd, 2013, 2:03 am
by skmo
Fiannan wrote:jcricket6048, or anyone else, how would you view the following people:
A) Man doesn't look at porn, makes a load of money distributing it.
B) Single mom about to get kicked out of her home becomes a stripper. Never has relations with any customer, just dances nude.
C) 14 year old girl caught by mom looking at internet porn.
A) As a person who decides for themselves what they're going to do with their choices, and I'll love and accept them as well as I may with my limited understanding of who and what they are.
B) As a person who decides for themselves what they're going to do with their choices, and I'll love and accept them as well as I may with my limited understanding of who and what they are.
C) As a person who decides for themselves what they're going to do with their choices, and I'll love and accept them as well as I may with my limited understanding of who and what they are.
Re: Bill Marriott -- pro Gay
Posted: February 3rd, 2013, 2:11 am
by skmo
Liberty_Agent wrote:Why all the homophobic bigotry on this forum?
Homophobia is more acceptable among LDS because it's easier to despise homosexuals because they're so weird.
Okay, I'll take my tongue out of my cheek a little. Most people grew up thinking homosexuality is icky, so it's much easier to dislike homosexuality. For the majority of people, the natural desire for heterosexual relations precludes acceptance of homosexual behavior. Unfortunately, satan has done a wonderful job or moving our society to believe that it's compassionate to accept homosexual behavior. I gladly accept homosexual people while disliking homosexual behavior. My gay friends don't like some of my choices either, but they're accepting of me and I of them. Hopefully we learn some of each other and become better people for it.
Re: Bill Marriott -- pro Gay
Posted: February 3rd, 2013, 3:59 am
by Fiannan
Most people grew up thinking homosexuality is icky, so it's much easier to dislike homosexuality.
Maybe porn has had an impact in making it look far better then. Most people do not have close friends who are gay (male or female) so their only exposure to same-sex relations is to see it all played out on porn or on prime-time TV. I would say the normalization of homosexual behavior is being accomplished both by TV series that give people (at least) the portrayal of it but also by porn that gives you the ultimate insight into the physical aspects. Perhaps mega-corporations that make porn available to their customers should get some sort of award by gay rights groups for their part in mainstreaming homosexuality.