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55,772,015
Posted: January 22nd, 2013, 5:07 pm
by Col. Flagg
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/01/18/5577 ... e-in-1973/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The United States marks 40 years of legalized abortion in all fifty states at any time for any reason throughout pregnancy on January 22nd, the anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision. Since that time, there have been approximately 55,772,015 abortions that have destroyed the lives of unborn children.
An estimate published by the National Right to Life Committee this time in 2011 indicated there have been an estimated 54,559,615 abortions since the Supreme Court handed down its 1973 Roe vs. Wade decision allowing virtually unlimited abortions.
In the document, “Abortion Statistics: United States Data and Trends,” NRLC education director Dr. Randall K. O’Bannon estimates that there have been 54,559,615 abortions since 1973 based on data from both the Centers for Disease Control and the pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute, a former Planned Parenthood research arm. Guttmacher receives numbers directly from abortion centers themselves and is the prime source for more current figures because the Centers for Disease Control has never tabulated accurate numbers of abortions. The CDC relies on figures from state health departments, some of which rely on voluntary reporting — and it hasn’t had data from some states such as California and New Hampshire for more than a decade.
“Because of these different methods of data collection, GI has consistently obtained higher counts than the CDC. CDC researchers have admitted it probably undercounts the total number of abortions because reporting laws vary from state to state and some abortionists probably do not report or under-report the abortions they perform,” O’Bannon says.
The number means there are more than 3,300 abortions daily and 137 abortions per hour every hour in the United States. Translated another way, an abortion is done about every 30 seconds in the United States.
And we're the world's 'moral police'??? =)) =)) =)) Not only do we kill innocent, unborn babies and subject them to pain and torture in the womb, we do the same to those who aren't friendly or accommodating to our big corporations with our military machine. Ripe? Oh yeah.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 22nd, 2013, 8:44 pm
by Nan
We are almost ripe, but we aren't quite ripe yet. The final step is to try to kill the prophet. That is when a nation is fully ripe.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 22nd, 2013, 9:30 pm
by gr8ideas
Ether 2:10
10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be swept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the fulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are swept off.
This is the Lord's criteria. :-s
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 8:02 am
by LateOutOfBed
gr8ideas wrote:Ether 2:10
10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be swept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the fulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are swept off.
This is the Lord's criteria. :-s
I think you should include the 3 words before that bold as well: "fulness of iniquity". But then the real question is to define what that means. And from study, my understanding that is Satan's plan of control fully implemented and followed by mankind as it was during the times of Noah. So, we still have time and it will get worse (i.e. we still have some limited freedoms).
-- Geoff
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 9:35 am
by Benjamin_LK
LateOutOfBed wrote:gr8ideas wrote:Ether 2:10
10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be swept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the fulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are swept off.
This is the Lord's criteria. :-s
I think you should include the 3 words before that bold as well: "fulness of iniquity". But then the real question is to define what that means. And from study, my understanding that is Satan's plan of control fully implemented and followed by mankind as it was during the times of Noah. So, we still have time and it will get worse (i.e. we still have some limited freedoms).
-- Geoff
I've heard it defined in the following ways:
1) Samuel the Lamanite to the Nephites
Helaman 13: 13-14
"13 But blessed are they who will repent, for them will I spare. But behold, if it were not for the righteous who are in this great city, behold, I would cause that fire should come down out of heaven and destroy it.
14 But behold, it is for the righteous' sake that it is spared. But behold, the time cometh, saith the Lord, that when ye shall cast out the righteous from among you, then shall ye be ripe for destruction; yea, wo be unto this great city, because of the wickedness and abominations which are in her."
In other words, by Samuel the Lamanite's reckoning, it would take entire cities killing or forcing out all righteous people who choose to follow the Lord's ways. Again, what's sad is the fact that the prophecy of Wilford Woodruff regarding NYC, Boston, and Albany, imply that these very cities will do exactly the horrific actions I have just described.
http://en.fairmormon.org/Revelation_aft ... and_Boston" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
2) Sodom and Gommorrah
As mentioned to Abraham, god gives a standard of the number of righteous, in the city for which he would hold back total destruction, and gives the number to Abraham in a dialogue. Then, later on, when people attempt rape on angels of God, well, you already know the rest.
Genesis 18: 22-33
Either way, the conclusionn comes across as a systematic mass killing and extermination of anyone, LDS and non-LDS alike, who won't conform to the world's ways, as defining the "fullness of iniquity".
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 12:22 pm
by skmo
Benjamin_LK wrote:In other words, by Samuel the Lamanite's reckoning, it would take entire cities killing or forcing out all righteous people who choose to follow the Lord's ways.
You mean like in San Francisco, where the church pulled missionaries out?
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 12:29 pm
by singyourwayhome
14 But behold, it is for the righteous' sake that it is spared. But behold, the time cometh, saith the Lord, that when ye shall cast out the righteous from among you, then shall ye be ripe for destruction; yea, wo be unto this great city, because of the wickedness and abominations which are in her."
Causing the righteous to leave is included in that criteria for "ripe". That said, our nation HAS killed many, many righteous; who is more innocent and righteous than unborn babies?
Still, apparently that isn't enough to be considered "ripe", so I continue to look for that last step of either 'casting out' or killing the righteous who have actually been born. All things considered, the Lord's amount of mercy and patience is amazing. The scriptures even refer to this, where the angels are anxious to come down and cleanse, and the Lord holds them back to give his children every chance he can to teach each other the truth and to repent.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 12:43 pm
by uglypitbull
singyourwayhome wrote:
Causing the righteous to leave is included in that criteria for "ripe". That said, our nation HAS killed many, many righteous; who is more innocent and righteous than unborn babies?
Still, apparently that isn't enough to be considered "ripe", so I continue to look for that last step of either 'casting out' or killing the righteous who have actually been born.
I agree with this statement, but not all of the babies killed are unborn. Think about children worldwide and some of the sufferings that are happening today. Children all over the world are being starved by their governments, killed (drones, Africa), kidnapped, and/or sold into slavery for any number of nefarious purposes.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 12:52 pm
by Col. Flagg
skmo wrote:Benjamin_LK wrote:In other words, by Samuel the Lamanite's reckoning, it would take entire cities killing or forcing out all righteous people who choose to follow the Lord's ways.
You mean like in San Francisco, where the church pulled missionaries out?
We did? :-s
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 12:54 pm
by Col. Flagg
singyourwayhome wrote:All things considered, the Lord's amount of mercy and patience is amazing.
Amen to that one.
The scriptures even refer to this, where the angels are anxious to come down and cleanse, and the Lord holds them back to give his children every chance he can to teach each other the truth and to repent.
Fact that.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 2:01 pm
by skmo
Col. Flagg wrote:We did? :-s
They may be back, but yes, we did. I knew members in the general area who were not at all surprised by it.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 2:15 pm
by Scarecrow
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Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 2:49 pm
by skmo
Yes, I am sure. Missionaries were pulled out of the city limits itself, this was back in the late 80's early 90's. I was previously engaged to a young lady whose family was from Redwood City. They told me they were not all that surprised because of the problems missionaries were having.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 6:10 pm
by hyloglyph
Nan wrote:We are almost ripe, but we aren't quite ripe yet. The final step is to try to kill the prophet. That is when a nation is fully ripe.
If by prophet you mean president of the LDS church, I can tell you right now, this isn't gonna happen.
Everyone (Babylon included) seems to love him!
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7053 ... tml?pg=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
For the record, I think he is an awesome guy too.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 23rd, 2013, 6:21 pm
by Col. Flagg
hyloglyph wrote:Nan wrote:We are almost ripe, but we aren't quite ripe yet. The final step is to try to kill the prophet. That is when a nation is fully ripe.
If by prophet you mean president of the LDS church, I can tell you right now, this isn't gonna happen.
Everyone (Babylon included) seems to love him!
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7053 ... tml?pg=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
For the record, I think he is an awesome guy too.
Yes, but wait until he goes Samuel the Lamanite on our nation and especially government - that day is coming and in the near future (IMHO). Once that happens, we'd better be ready as a church for what will come, in fact, this could be what sifts the wheat from the tares.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 24th, 2013, 1:07 pm
by hyloglyph
I agree that someone is definitely gonna go "Samuel the Lamanite" on us.
I just don't know who. And will he speak out against our nation and government only? Will he speak against our church too?
Someone is going to come and set our house in order. And yes, I think I agree that there will be some sifting of wheat.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 24th, 2013, 1:24 pm
by sbsion
ROTTEN already, who wants to even think we are just ripe?
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 24th, 2013, 2:59 pm
by TZONE
Col. Flagg wrote:hyloglyph wrote:Nan wrote:We are almost ripe, but we aren't quite ripe yet. The final step is to try to kill the prophet. That is when a nation is fully ripe.
If by prophet you mean president of the LDS church, I can tell you right now, this isn't gonna happen.
Everyone (Babylon included) seems to love him!
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7053 ... tml?pg=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
For the record, I think he is an awesome guy too.
Yes, but wait until he goes Samuel the Lamanite on our nation and especially government - that day is coming and in the near future (IMHO). Once that happens, we'd better be ready as a church for what will come, in fact, this could be what sifts the wheat from the tares.
I concur with this. Especially another sign is when missionaries get called home. It occurred to me yesterday (if this happens) that the earthquake in SLC may be used as a means to prevent mass war in the SLC to prepare it for the civil war in the nation? Otherwise purge it earlier to allow it a safe refuge for others. According to Visions of Glory it could happen a few months before the major war.
Not sure about everyone loving the prophet though. I know plenty of Anti's that hate him
. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the apostles/prophet were put at gun point and killed for their faith to stir up the righteous to leave the church. Or some of these men fall away themself and preach false doctrines to save themselves.
All things considered, the Lord's amount of mercy and patience is amazing.
Amen to that one.
+1 He truly is. I loved oaks talk last conference about the seriousness of child abuse as the most grievous sins. Made me think of abortion rates and how that could be considered a type of child abuse.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 28th, 2013, 12:18 am
by Benjamin_LK
singyourwayhome wrote:14 But behold, it is for the righteous' sake that it is spared. But behold, the time cometh, saith the Lord, that when ye shall cast out the righteous from among you, then shall ye be ripe for destruction; yea, wo be unto this great city, because of the wickedness and abominations which are in her."
Causing the righteous to leave is included in that criteria for "ripe". That said, our nation HAS killed many, many righteous; who is more innocent and righteous than unborn babies?
Still, apparently that isn't enough to be considered "ripe", so I continue to look for that last step of either 'casting out' or killing the righteous who have actually been born. All things considered, the Lord's amount of mercy and patience is amazing. The scriptures even refer to this, where the angels are anxious to come down and cleanse, and the Lord holds them back to give his children every chance he can to teach each other the truth and to repent.
Well, I would say, that right now, it is for the sake of the righteous in America that America is spared. Given that America isn't currently undergoing the prophetic destructions like that spoken of by Wilford Woodruff, put in mind that God would spare it for the sake of a few righteous people, even if it were just a few people who live the word of God, repent of their sins, and attend the temple, he would spare it just for their sake.
As far as ripe for iniquity, all I can really say is that it hasn't happened yet. There are individual bigots out there who hate righteous people, but that's a farshot from saying that the will of the people is to exterminate the righteous. I think that since the voice of the American people isn't yet to destroy the Lord, then we are spared, but if they resort to pulling an Ammonihah, which they are still some distance from, then we are getting close. Either way, the Lord's intervention at his Second Coming will be a real test of faith, a make-or-break issue for the faith of some, and a perfect example of why you can't live on borrowed light - borrowed light, as opposed to real faith, can't perservere until the miracle.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 28th, 2013, 1:32 am
by Fiannan
How the elite see you anyway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwKSJQI3tco" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is why abortion has turned into America's "sacrament" to its new gods.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 28th, 2013, 7:05 am
by singyourwayhome
That's sick.
This preoccupation with 'zombies' that our government seems to have really disturbs me. Makes me think they are up to something bad.
It's permeated down into my family; my teen boys talking about killing zombies the other day. We had to have a little talk.
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 28th, 2013, 7:39 am
by Daryl
Nan wrote:We are almost ripe, but we aren't quite ripe yet. The final step is to try to kill the prophet. That is when a nation is fully ripe.
You should read this really important document:
Section 135.
(I believe they already did that over 150 years ago.)
Re: 55,772,015
Posted: January 28th, 2013, 8:06 am
by Benjamin_LK
Daryl wrote:Nan wrote:We are almost ripe, but we aren't quite ripe yet. The final step is to try to kill the prophet. That is when a nation is fully ripe.
You should read this really important document:
Section 135.
(I believe they already did that over 150 years ago.)
It's also why I feel that declaring total murder of all righteous is the only way the world could be ripe for destruction. There is mockery from the Great and Spacious Building, but for entire governments or a majority of all people in entire cities to declare extermination of all righteous people, we're not there yet, thankfully, and it will be pretty sad when we are simply because it will be just measure against people who resorted to some of the most abominable things mankind can do. It would be like the Jaredites and Nephites, a sad ending of a nation that was once blessed, as Mormon himself said, "O Ye Fair Ones".