How Momons have failed America

[Robin Hood]

I think people who are happy with socialism, especially members of the Church who espouse socialism gotta problem. Especially since the April 1966 General Conference during which President Marion G. Romney said : "I pray; That we will develop the understanding, the desire, and the courage born of the Spirit, to eschew socialism and to support and sustain, in the manner revealed and as embodied in the Constitution of the United States for the protection of all flesh, in the exercise of their God-given agency." And for what it's worth, President McKay stated that "During the first half of the twentieth century we have traveled far into the soul-destroying land of socialism...." (18 October 1952 Church News)

They may well have said that, but it doesn't mean they were right.

[Ezra]

Using force is?

[freedomforall]

Comparing socialism to United Order is like comparing Satan to Christ. In socialism government takes from people and gives to those they deem needs it, minus what they keep for themselves. In the United Order, people give to one another freely based on charity.
Just which one is God endorsed? Which one is Satanic?

Too many Americans these days that have no clue what freedom really is. In the UK and many other countries, all guns were taken away from the people by the government. Why? Is this freedom? Was the government in fear of having the populace rise up and do away with government? Well, the government made sure it would never happen. This is the very threat our freedom here is up against right now. Our socialistic government and any other non-freedom individual want our guns taken away so we become slaves to tyranny, just like in other countries. Ever heard of genocide?

Canada has never had true freedom, inalienable rights from God given to provide liberty and the pursuit of happiness, so how can they defend what they know very little about? Take a toy away from a child and see what they do. "Give that back, it's mine" they say. But if a child is never given a toy they are ignorant to their rights. Freedom is not free, and for those that do not know their rights...they have none. This is why so many Americans today will do whatever government tells them to do, because they have no idea what they're giving up.
Illegal aliens coming into the country sure as heck ain't going to fight for something that is foreign to them. Every single eligible male should spend two mandatory years in the military to earn citizenship for themselves and their family. But no they come over here and get free benees from Government...payed for by money the government plundered form some other hard working smucks unaware of the freedoms already lost.
Attorney's have to learn how to be an attorney so they are effective in helping a person keep their rights or whatever, but if they never attend classes they're no better than the neighbor in that charge. Likewise, if Americans do not learn what their rights are, they have none and are subject to governmental control? Government is supposed to protect rights and privileges, not tamper with them and destroy them causing the public to be ruled by them. This is why America is doing the swirly down the toilet, could have been prevented had people down their homework.

[Fiannan]

While the Soviets had their problems of course, the centrally planned socialist economy was working. There is no denying that.

Well, I suppose if we rounded up all the obese Americans and sent them to work camps in Siberia we not only could get a lot accomplished in building roads or digging up minerals but in a few months those people would be fit (well, except for those who tried to escape, if we went all Stalin on them they would just be dead). Thing is that people do get a bit of motivation when they are given the choice of work or die.

[lundbaek]

What kept the centrally planned socialist economy going was infusions of money, foodstuffs, and technical info. mostly from America. The globalists/LDGs needed an enemy of capitalism and built the Soviet Union into the monster it became for that purpose. If you understand the Hegelian Dialectic it will make more sense to you.

[Robin Hood]

What kept the centrally planned socialist economy going was infusions of money, foodstuffs, and technical info. mostly from America. The globalists/LDGs needed an enemy of capitalism and built the Soviet Union into the monster it became for that purpose. If you understand the Hegelian Dialectic it will make more sense to you.

That is what you have been told to believe.
The mistake the Soviets made was to try to recruit capitalism and use it to promote socialism. In the end they were simply employing state capitalism.
If they had properly embraced the principles of communism, indeed pressed on to establish genuine communism, they could have done away with money altogether. Then the west couldn't have any leverage over them.
But while the west remained a military threat (and it was), they needed to expend vast resources on defence. A communist society cannot engage in war.

So the Soviet experiment failed because of outside influences. But there is no doubt it rapidly transformed Russia and the living standards and quality of life of it's people.

In my view capitalism is a greater threat to us than socialism.

[Fiannan]

What kept the centrally planned socialist economy going was infusions of money, foodstuffs, and technical info. mostly from America. The globalists/LDGs needed an enemy of capitalism and built the Soviet Union into the monster it became for that purpose. If you understand the Hegelian Dialectic it will make more sense to you.

That is what you have told to believe.
The mistake the Soviets made was to try to recruit capitalism and use it to promote socialism. In the end they were simply employing state capitalism.
If they had properly embraced the principles of communism, indeed presed on to establish genuine communism, they could have done away with money altogether. Then the west couldn't have any leverage over them.
But while the west remained a military threat (and it was), they needed to expend vast resources on defence. A communist society cannot engage in war.

So the Soviet experiment failed because of outside influences. But there is no doubt it rapidly transformed Russia and the living standards and quality of life of it's people.

In my view capitalism is a greater threat to us than socialism.

[Robin Hood]

Yes he did!

Ever read W. Cleon Skousen's "The Naked Capitalist"?

[Sirocco]

Oh jeez, why don't we just leave the memes to me from now on lol

[sushi_chef]

book of mormon talks about kingmen vs liberty people. so, this concepts/teachings should be ready to be available/applicable to lds, even to the higher up echelon of the chuch hierachy. besides, the president benson said the elders of israel, not the church.... :-B

[Fiannan]

Yes he did!

Ever read W. Cleon Skousen's "The Naked Capitalist"?

The what?

[Lizzy60]

Has anyone besides me noticed that Mormons is misspelled in the title of the OP?

Sorry for the thread jack -- I agree with sushi, church =/= Elders of Israel.

[Robin Hood]

Yes he did!

Ever read W. Cleon Skousen's "The Naked Capitalist"?

The what?

Skousen wrote The Naked Communist, and The Naked Capitalist.
You can only get one of them these days.
I wonder why?

[EmmaLee]

Not sure what you mean? ^^^ Both books are currently available on Amazon.

[Fiannan]

Wow, so many naked communists I would swear I was at a party hosted by Bill Clinton.

[Sirocco]

Wow, so many naked communists I would swear I was at a party hosted by Bill Clinton.

[Robin Hood]

Not sure what you mean? ^^^ Both books are currently available on Amazon.

Thanks EmmaLee.
The last time I looked it was £122. That's around $200.
This is because it is no longer published, whereas the other one is. The Naked Communist is even available on Kindle.
I wasn't clear enough.

[EmmaLee]

Not sure what you mean? ^^^ Both books are currently available on Amazon.

Thanks EmmaLee.
The last time I looked it was £122. That's around $200.
This is because it is no longer published, whereas the other one is. The Naked Communist is even available on Kindle.
I wasn't clear enough.

Thanks for the reply, RH. Still not sure where you're looking for The Naked Capitalist though, because I just found it on Amazon for $12.00, and on kindle for $4.58.

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005QS ... 1_2&sr=8-2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Robin Hood]

Thank you.
I'll get the Kindle version.
I used to have this book years ago but I think I lent it to someone when I lived in Germany, and didn't get it back when I returned to Blighty.

[dauser]

The church's political neutrality stand affects we members...

the wheat and the tares grow up better together that way.

Givers and takers in the same quorums, receivinig the same lessons, both ripening in humility or pride.

One exercises faith in the Name of Jesus Christ and the other exercises faith in the name of the law, (government).

[lundbaek]

I know the Church has for as long as I can remember claimed to be "politically neutral" and that members are free to vote as they wish. Yet the Lord and latter-day prophets have repeatedly given us more than adequate instruction that to my mind leaves little doubt as to what our political persuasions should be. At least for those who believe the scriptures and the words of the prophets when given as such.

[dauser]

How America has failed the Mormons.

America tried to exterminate the Mormons.
America will not allow the Mormons freedom of religion.
America will not allow freedom of speech...or loose our tax exemption.
America has had troops and cannons pointing at temple square from Fort Douglas and Camp Williams ready to eliminate the Mormon problem on command.
America has stood against the Constitution.
America allows our enemies to print the money.
America protects our enemies and does not protect our prophets.
America allows our enemies to buy armies and air forces to reign with terror on this planet.
America violates our privacy while they have secret agendas.
America wants us disarmed while they have body guards and armies to protect them.

The Mormons are like a rock cut out without hands, rolling down, like a mountain filling the earth.... and America is like a foot and toes of clay and iron. The collision between the two... will be way cool.

[Fiannan]

Maybe Mormons should stop raising Disney princesses -- and that includes the boys as well.

[MormonPatriot]

As far as I am concerned, it is America who has failed the Mormons. If it wasn't for them we would not have fled to Utah. We would not have had to cave in on the civil rights. And now it looks like we will have to cave in for the gays....heaven help us when that day comes.

[Robin Hood]

As far as I am concerned, it is America who has failed the Mormons. If it wasn't for them we would not have fled to Utah. We would not have had to cave in on the civil rights. And now it looks like we will have to cave in for the gays....heaven help us when that day comes.

"Cave in on civil rights".
How so?