LDS Freedom Forum

Seek the Truth wrote:And yet no one who contacts their bishop will go hungry.

Jesus praised the widow.

Unfortunately, that isn't true for every bishop.

Col. Flagg wrote:

SmallFarm wrote:WHAT IF There is a divine purpose in building the City Creek Mall, that has nothing to do with investments or urban blight?
WHAT IF There is a purpose for the building that has nothing to do with fancy clothes and apparel?
WHAT IF by fighting against the work that the brethren are doing we frustrate the plans of the Lord?
WHAT IF God had designed a safety net for a situation only discernible by Him?
The crux of what I am saying:
WHAT IF God knows more than we do?
Oh wait... #-o

WHAT IF there was a reason there were dozens of scripture references put into the Bible and Book of Mormon that condemn pride, vanity, vain ambition, fine sanctuaries that rob the poor, looking for favor with man instead of with God, worshipping false idols and yearning to appeal to the world via image? City Creek encompasses all of that.

Yes and I have heard antis claim that our temples do that.
Do you think that to be the case Flagg?

SmallFarm wrote:

Col. Flagg wrote:

SmallFarm wrote:WHAT IF There is a divine purpose in building the City Creek Mall, that has nothing to do with investments or urban blight?
WHAT IF There is a purpose for the building that has nothing to do with fancy clothes and apparel?
WHAT IF by fighting against the work that the brethren are doing we frustrate the plans of the Lord?
WHAT IF God had designed a safety net for a situation only discernible by Him?
The crux of what I am saying:
WHAT IF God knows more than we do?
Oh wait... #-o

WHAT IF there was a reason there were dozens of scripture references put into the Bible and Book of Mormon that condemn pride, vanity, vain ambition, fine sanctuaries that rob the poor, looking for favor with man instead of with God, worshipping false idols and yearning to appeal to the world via image? City Creek encompasses all of that.

Yes and I have heard antis claim that our temples do that.
Do you think that to be the case Flagg?

They definitely claimed that about the San Diego Temple...

AshleyB wrote:I appreciate your thoughts smallfarm. But I don't quite see how disagreeing with City Creek and stating that opinion is "fighting against the work of the brethren and the Lords plans. " I also agree with what others have said. I don't believe the business aspect of the corporation has anything to do with divine purposes. If it did then profit would not be the main goal. I don't recall the Lord ever teaching the prophets in the scriptures how to turn a great profit. In fact, he generally tried to steer their attention from temporal gain to spiritual gain. He wanted the apostles to be fishers of men's souls first and before anything else. That kind of investment cannot be measured by something as meaningless as dollars.

IF the brethren have been inspired of God to do this (and I don't find it within my stewardship to question whether they indeed have), then I don't think the purpose was for worldly profit.
Perhaps as a warehouse for goods being brought in from local farmers in a post-economic-collapse situation? A mousetrap for the vain? .I don't know and won't even try to guess what God has in store for it.

SmallFarm wrote:

AshleyB wrote:I appreciate your thoughts smallfarm. But I don't quite see how disagreeing with City Creek and stating that opinion is "fighting against the work of the brethren and the Lords plans. " I also agree with what others have said. I don't believe the business aspect of the corporation has anything to do with divine purposes. If it did then profit would not be the main goal. I don't recall the Lord ever teaching the prophets in the scriptures how to turn a great profit. In fact, he generally tried to steer their attention from temporal gain to spiritual gain. He wanted the apostles to be fishers of men's souls first and before anything else. That kind of investment cannot be measured by something as meaningless as dollars.

IF the brethren have been inspired of God to do this (and I don't find it within my stewardship to question whether they indeed have), then I don't think the purpose was for worldly profit.
Perhaps as a warehouse for goods being brought in from local farmers in a post-economic-collapse situation? A mousetrap for the vain? .I don't know and won't even try to guess what God has in store for it.

a giant fireball in all likelihood
You're really struggling with this aren't you.

I do this on a phone so can't cut and paste

I'll post all the quotes by former presidents of the church telling you only a fool doesnt question it

membership does not require blind.obedience

they are no more that us.

its a business decision. Fine.

the 2 issues are members struggle and believe their hard work contributions deserve better

2. We can't pretend to call ourselves a charitable, Christian.church.

if we'd given away $20b to charity and then this, yeah, even.I'd say that it could be a reasonable way to invest wisely for later

but we didn't. We don't. We don't ever appear likely to. We yearn for "the revelatory prophet of old", and we saw that. And Zion bank. And Dick Cheney. It adds up. We question things.

such is life

Not blind obedience.
Patience that the Lord will guide the Ark.

Why would I want to deny the men who have stewardship over the money (I certainly don't), the opportunity to learn from their mistakes.
For me, this isn't a vanity issue, because it isn't my money, for me it is an agency issue.

SmallFarm wrote:

Col. Flagg wrote:

SmallFarm wrote:WHAT IF There is a divine purpose in building the City Creek Mall, that has nothing to do with investments or urban blight?
WHAT IF There is a purpose for the building that has nothing to do with fancy clothes and apparel?
WHAT IF by fighting against the work that the brethren are doing we frustrate the plans of the Lord?
WHAT IF God had designed a safety net for a situation only discernible by Him?
The crux of what I am saying:
WHAT IF God knows more than we do?
Oh wait... #-o

WHAT IF there was a reason there were dozens of scripture references put into the Bible and Book of Mormon that condemn pride, vanity, vain ambition, fine sanctuaries that rob the poor, looking for favor with man instead of with God, worshipping false idols and yearning to appeal to the world via image? City Creek encompasses all of that.

Yes and I have heard antis claim that our temples do that.
Do you think that to be the case Flagg?

The average LDS temple costs about $20 million to build... you could have constructed 150 temples for what they dropped on City Creek AND temples are places of worship where ordinances are done and there is nothing wrong with using church funds using the best materials for the Lord's house. Apples and oranges SmallFarm.

Let's go shopping! again.