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Ah, the money changers. But that photo implies that He was whipping people. Was He?

Twice, He chased out the money changers (at the beginning of His mission and at the end). And He was extremely plain to the pharisees and sadduccees. But, how often did He speak loudly and how often did He speak softly or gently (not counting the need to speak up so a crowd can hear).

All I really know is that I don't know exactly what type of man you consider to be a real man. People have different perceptions and ideas. We may agree, for all I know. How loud is loud? How quiet is quiet? Does loud = rude? Does loud = ever ready to fight or defend? Does quiet = willing to forgive? Does quiet = being a wuss? The Holy Ghost speaks quietly - or so we are told in a scripture or two (and experience tells me the same thing).

http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/337359" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Such a development argues that we are becoming Swedenized in a deeper sense: not just adopting social-democratic policies but acquiring a sociological character that will leave us resembling present-day Europe more than the America Tocqueville discovered, in which families, communities, and churches turned individualism from a social solvent into a social adhesive. In a 2009 lecture at the American Enterprise Institute, where he is a resident scholar, Charles Murray made the connection between governance and sociology this way: “Almost anything that government does in social policy can be characterized as taking some of the trouble out of things.” The problem, according to Murray, is that “every time the government takes some of the trouble out of performing the functions of family, community, vocation, and faith, it also strips those institutions of some of their vitality — it drains some of the life from them.”

Sweden gets involved in every aspect of family and social life of its people. I am truly surprised nobody here had questioned a government that can mandate the destruction of gender roles in children. I have often pointed out positive aspects of Sweden, but one should understand that biology and sociology don't mix and Sweden proves it. Note, psychology is a science while sociology is mostly based on ideological assumptions that negate the importance of the individual. The worse combination in a society is for sociologists trying to combine with behaviorism (another anti-individial concept) to develop their Utopian ideal. Sorry, it does not work and replacing religion with materialism, sound recognition of individual and gender differences ignored will, in the long run, lead to stagnation on the spiritual level and a fall in marriage, commitment and the production of enough children to even replace the previous generation.

Maybe the only hope for the geographical area we call "Europe" in general and "Sweden" in particular is Islam. Eventually it will be the norm rather than the minority religion.

Fiannan... are you kidding?

I may not have lived in Sweden, but I have worked there. I worked in Lund which is near Malmo where the largest Islamic population in Sweden is. I'm no fan of Sweden... I definately would not want to live there (although I would much rather live there than any Islamic country in the world). But while boring and not particularly righteous, the Swedes are not trying to turn the rest of the world into Sweden....and they are generally not violent....which cannot be said of the Muslims in Malmo.

Regards,

George Clay

I served my mission in Sweden. I met with every type of Swede you can imagine, from those with vikings ancestry to those with Muslim immigrants. I find this whole discussion be be ridiculous.

The video, in my opinion, shows a well mannered manly man who appropriately handled what was a normal q and a. If the female appeared to be louder, I think has much more to do with her microphone placement than any sort of meta-analysis that all men in Sweden are wimps.

I was not even aware of this idea that Swedish men have been emasculated until a few years ago, nearly a decade after I lived there. It certainly was not a concern during my mission. There were plenty of manly men.

I asked the OP for his Swedish credentials because I wondered if things have changed in the 10+ years since I've returned home. His evasion says to me he does not have any firsthand knowledge of what he claims.

gclayjr wrote:Fiannan... are you kidding?

I may not have lived in Sweden, but I have worked there. I worked in Lund which is near Malmo where the largest Islamic population in Sweden is. I'm no fan of Sweden... I definately would not want to live there (although I would much rather live there than any Islamic country in the world). But while boring and not particularly righteous, the Swedes are not trying to turn the rest of the world into Sweden....and they are generally not violent....which cannot be said of the Muslims in Malmo.

Regards,

George Clay

Not all Muslims are violent -- if they were the US government would be funding them.

I was not even aware of this idea that Swedish men have been emasculated until a few years ago, nearly a decade after I lived there. It certainly was not a concern during my mission. There were plenty of manly men.

I asked the OP for his Swedish credentials because I wondered if things have changed in the 10+ years since I've returned home. His evasion says to me he does not have any firsthand knowledge of what he claims.

Actually the government became far more aggressive in these sorts of policies in recent years. Personally I see Freddie as your typical Bilderberg type who wants to build the corporatist model for Sweden. I will note it is his government, not the socialist government of Persson, who got gay marriage through. And it is his government that broke with years-long neutrality with supplying war planes for targeting activities to destroy Kadaffi. Oh, and then there is the matter of Julian Assange. I at least found Persson more pro-family as his government sought ways to encourage Swedish women to have more babies. Not sure what Freddie is doing on that one.

As for you constant nagging for credentials I will just say believe whatever you want. Here are some articles in reference to the NWO and Sweden from a Swedish source if you like:

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=19043" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=19262" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=19100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/20 ... 120617.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for the sources. I'll look into them later.

I was there for Ingvar Carlsson and Göran Persson. I haven't kept up on Sweden as much as I'd like to though.

Gad wrote:Thanks for the sources. I'll look into them later.

I was there for Ingvar Carlsson and Göran Persson. I haven't kept up on Sweden as much as I'd like to though.

If at all possible please listen to the interview link: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/20 ... 120617.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Really good!

Gad wrote:I served my mission in Sweden. I met with every type of Swede you can imagine, from those with vikings ancestry to those with Muslim immigrants. I find this whole discussion be be ridiculous.

The video, in my opinion, shows a well mannered manly man who appropriately handled what was a normal q and a. If the female appeared to be louder, I think has much more to do with her microphone placement than any sort of meta-analysis that all men in Sweden are wimps.

I was not even aware of this idea that Swedish men have been emasculated until a few years ago, nearly a decade after I lived there. It certainly was not a concern during my mission. There were plenty of manly men.

I asked the OP for his Swedish credentials because I wondered if things have changed in the 10+ years since I've returned home. His evasion says to me he does not have any firsthand knowledge of what he claims.

I agree with this. This man conducted himself well and in a very typical Swedish manner a custom that has long been the case with the Swedish nationals. I was only recently in Sweden and met many manly men both Swedes and immigrants. I too suspect OP has no first hand knowage of what he is talking about.

I agree with this. This man conducted himself well and in a very typical Swedish manner a custom that has long been the case with the Swedish nationals. I was only recently in Sweden and met many manly men both Swedes and immigrants. I too suspect OP has no first hand knowage of what he is talking about.

Oh well, like I said the video was to show how many men conduct themselves in Sweden in regards to a sort of passive quietness that is not really a sign of being soft-spoken but rather being trained to be timid. And if you like Freddie you must love Obama as the same globalists (Freddie has attended Bilderberger but I am not sure if Obama has) seem to like him. But oh well...hey, you know at least one person here seemed to appreciate the sharing of a perspective that Sweden is merely a template for what is in store for the USA. At least I was able to run across the Red Ice interview with the journalist living in Sweden (and the host is native Swedish) that I can share with my daughter who is highly critical of Swedish culture -- and she is not even a teen yet! I will note that being a non-conformist in such a culture is probably more difficult there (as noted in the interview) than anyplace else on earth.

And gKlerney, believe what you wish about me...I find it a source of humor to a degree but essentially I guess overall I really don't care.

Fiannan wrote:And gKlerney, believe what you wish about me...I find it a source of humor to a degree but essentially I guess overall I really don't care.

Note that we still do not have a straight up answer to some basic questions. Are you a Swedish citizen? Have you ever lived in Sweden and if so when and for how long? Do you have a command of the Swedish language? How are we to evaluate your contention about the Swedes, assertions that at least two of us with long standing association with the country contest if you will now provide answers to these questions?

If you do not wish to answer these question then answer this simple one which should be telling: There is a common Swedish phase spoke in conversations when the Swedish word for thank you " tack" is heard. What would that phase be?

gklearney, as much as I would love to play your game all I would say is that you seem to display a nonchig attityd in regards to not wanting to address the information I have posted. Oh well. :-s

Fiannan wrote:gklearney, as much as I would love to play your game all I would say is that you seem to display a nonchig attityd in regards to not wanting to address the information I have posted. Oh well. :-s

In other words you have no connection to Sweden at all. You know nothing of the language or culture of the county. You are not willing to answer any direct questions posed to you to establish your credibility in this matter nor are you able to answer even the simplest cultural question. A question that anyone spending more than a few days in Sweden would know I might point out. Why should anyone here pay any attention to you on this matter?

Who are the readers here to trust you, who clearly know next to nothing about Sweden its people, language and culture or those who have lived and worked there and in one case served the even Lord in Sweden? Whose words and experiences should carry more weight?

gkearney wrote:

Fiannan wrote:gklearney, as much as I would love to play your game all I would say is that you seem to display a nonchig attityd in regards to not wanting to address the information I have posted. Oh well. :-s

In other words you have no connection to Sweden at all. You know nothing of the language or culture of the county. You are not willing to answer any direct questions posed to you to establish your credibility in this matter nor are you able to answer even the simplest cultural question. A question that anyone spending more than a few days in Sweden would know I might point out. Why should anyone here pay any attention to you on this matter?

Who are the readers here to trust you, who clearly know next to nothing about Sweden its people, language and culture or those who have lived and worked there and in one case served the even Lord in Sweden? Whose words and experiences should carry more weight?

Seriously gklearney you bore me. I choose not to answer your question merely due to the fact that it irritates you so much. Besides,anyone with even an ounce of analytical reasoning would know know the answer by reading what I have written.

Fiannan wrote:

gkearney wrote:

Fiannan wrote:gklearney, as much as I would love to play your game all I would say is that you seem to display a nonchig attityd in regards to not wanting to address the information I have posted. Oh well. :-s

In other words you have no connection to Sweden at all. You know nothing of the language or culture of the county. You are not willing to answer any direct questions posed to you to establish your credibility in this matter nor are you able to answer even the simplest cultural question. A question that anyone spending more than a few days in Sweden would know I might point out. Why should anyone here pay any attention to you on this matter?

Who are the readers here to trust you, who clearly know next to nothing about Sweden its people, language and culture or those who have lived and worked there and in one case served the even Lord in Sweden? Whose words and experiences should carry more weight?

Seriously gklearney you bore me. I choose not to answer your question merely due to the fact that it irritates you so much. Besides,anyone with even an ounce of analytical reasoning would know know the answer by reading what I have written.

You choose not to answer the questions because you can't answer the questions.

You choose not to answer the questions because you can't answer the questions.

No, I just see that you are a worse debator than Piers Morgan. You cannot deal with the point so you employ diversion. Now if I was being deceptive in any way all I would have to do is go to Google Translate and make myself sound convincing in any language. Then again a person could go to thelocal.se and find any of the various customs. And the Riksdag has plenty of informaiton pages in English -- so again, it proves nothing to play your game. So I again ask why you want to ignore the arguments I have presented in regards to feminism taken to the extreme?

Then do those things.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong on this issue. You might well have a valid point as to modern Swedish culture. What I am saying is that the video you referred us all to does not prove your point. Further you suggest that you have direct first hand experience in this matter yet refuse to give us any way to evaluate the veracity of that claim. Give that:

1. The video does not show the behaviour you claim it proves.
2. We have no means to evaluate the validity of your claim to first hand experience of the situation as you refuse to answer even the most basic questions.

I see no reason to take your word on the matter.

Persons who make a claim of expertise in an area in a debate need to be prepared to back up that claim with evidence of that expertise. You have consistently refused to do that here. With each passing message you weaken your credibility.

As I said you may be right or you may be wrong. All I know is that the interview does not, in my estimation prove your point, and my time in Sweden does not give me any reason to believe your assertions are correct. I will rely on my own direct first hand experience in Sweden over someone who makes and assertion about a place yet refuses to provide us with any means to evaluate his qualifications to make such an assertion.

gkearney, you have no clue. That is why I will not flaunt what you claim is the defining characteristic of knowledge -- geographical location.

If I add all the time I have spent in Russia that would come up to about two months todal in recent years, 2 1/2 total in China. Would that mean I had any special insights on, let's say Ivan Pavlov and Lev Vygotsky's application of behavioristic psychology on the development of the Soviet character -- the ideal "Soviet Man?" Probably not. However, if one investigates the goals of communism, and the writings of who the bureaucratic planners consider important, then that is what has credibility.

It is hard to believe you gave serious consideration to the insights of Palmgren or Newman in the video: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/20 ... 120617.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Please, tell what parts you find innacurate or unfair. That would be interesting...far more than you proclaiming how long you were in Sweden and trying to question any insights I have. What do you want anyway, a Konsum membership card or personal number? Whatever, I am not interested in playing that game. I'll let you go play some ABBA songs and pretend you are an expert on the psychological dimensions of Swedish cultural policies. Have fun.

ask Pelosi and Hillary

sbsion wrote:ask Pelosi and Hillary

Strangely Pelosi, while liberal, seems to have been quite the traditionalist at home while Hillary...well, we know how that one goes.

Oh, and here is yet another analysis of Sweden and, as the journalist maintains, its effort to erase its culture.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/20 ... 130122.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

By the way, any schoolkid can tell you about United Nations day. Just letting you know.

More in-depth study of a nation that is arguably the template for what the elite want for all the world -- a nation with no religion, no culture and immersed in trivia, feminism and materialism in which any discussion of immigration is considered racist:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/20 ... 130122.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is a finalist from the February 2 round of the Melodifestivalen in Stockhol, Sweden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-bxsEZfsuA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Yep, that's a guy.

Enjoy!!!

What happens when you have a feminist dominated nation?

More men take ballet lessons so they can follow Tiny Tim...Tip-toeing through the Tulips? :-B

Hm. When I was younger, I heard that football players often had to take ballet lessons because it increased their agility.

Also, have you ever watched a ballet? Have you seen those men lifting those women, carrying them overhead, sometimes with only one hand, while the men continued to dance? Can you do that? It takes muscle to be a ballet dancer, even though the final product is a beautiful flow of movement. In fact, moreso because the final product is a beautiful flow of movement

A Random Phrase wrote:Hm. When I was younger, I heard that football players often had to take ballet lessons because it increased their agility.

Also, have you ever watched a ballet? Have you seen those men lifting those women, carrying them overhead, sometimes with only one hand, while the men continued to dance? Can you do that? It takes muscle to be a ballet dancer, even though the final product is a beautiful flow of movement. In fact, moreso because the final product is a beautiful flow of movement

No, but at one time I could place my hands on the floor and rest my knees on my elbows with my feet up in the air and stay balanced. I also used to do one handed pushups.

I can still stick my tongue out and touch my nose at the same time.

I never, never have been able to step three foot lengths from a wall, place my head against the wall and be able remove my head and raise up into a standing position. But a female can.