LDS Freedom Forum

Long time reader first time poster. I have really enjoyed my time reading this board.

I am deservedly concerned that many of those people out there actually thinking Piers Morgan somehow got the upper hand and exposed Alex Jones on Morgan's show. IN NOW WAY DID THAT HAPPEN! Alex Jones was crystal clear with his answers and let Morgan know that he would not be spreading his communism over here.

Is my perception wrong? My coworkers and some friends have been calling me ignorant and saying I am gun fanatic with no concept of context. They have told me the only folks that follow Alex Jones are those with little to no education and generally racists. I do not think I am a racist on any major level. I feel like I got enough education for my needs.

Also, can they take our guns? Is this something that has been prophesied about? I am really concerned and not sleeping well lately.

Many of the "educated" are too "educated" for their own good. It's a pride thing, not a racist thing. The wisdom of the world will look very foolish to us soon... B-)

Unfortunately there are two main types of TV and radio talkshow personalities: those who talk around their guests and those who shout them down. Shouting guests down seems to work fine for that sack of tainted beef O'Reilly and those like him, but it can only be effective if you either cater to a crowd that doesn't care about open discussion and just wants to see anyone who holds a different opinion abused, or if you can make your guest look like a moron so people feel he deserves the treatment.

You rarely see guests trying to shout the host down. To cite O'Reilly again, those who try are simply disconnected or encouraged to leave during a commercial break. Jones was in a unique position to personally guest on the show of an opponent, where the only way he could be silenced would be to be bodily escorted from the premises. I wouldn't say he resorted to shouting Morgan down, but he did take the opportunity to override his questions and provide blunt information on a national medium. Overall he might have been able to present his information in a more focused, coherent, and thorough manner, but in the volatile situation he did a pretty good job.

Thanks for the laugh, Andrew52. While Alex did come across as a little crazy, it seems this issue is serious enough in most of our minds, and with those evil forces that continue to seek to enslave us are so great I would probably have yelled in a similar manner.

I do not know how this will end, but I will NOT surrender any of my rights except by death. When will people wake up and say enough is enough? When all the wicked are destroyed off the face of the earth I won't have a need for my guns; as will those righteous who are spared. But that time is not yet here.




Here are some interesting quotes I found today while going through the J of D around the time (1857) of the Utah-War:

I do not often get angry; but when I do, I am righteously angry; and the bosom of the Almighty burns with
anger towards those scoundrels; and they shall be consumed, in the name of Israel's God. We have borne
enough of their oppression and hellish abuse, and we will not bear any more of it; for there is no just law
requiring further forbearance on our part. And I am not going to have troops here to protect the priests and a
hellish rabble in efforts to drive us from the land we possess; for the Lord does not want us to be driven, and
has said, "if you will assert your rights, and keep my commandments, you shall never again be brought into
bondage by your enemies."
JD 5:228, Brigham Young, September 13, 1857


Well, we have got to sustain these amens, and we have got to sustain these vows. You ladies, too, will
certainly have to do your part, or back out. I told you last Sunday to arm yourselves; and if you cannot do it
any other way, sell some of your fine bonnets, fine dresses, and buy yourselves a good dirk, a pistol, or some
other instrument of war. Arm your boys and arm yourselves universally, and that, too, with the weapons of
war; for we may be brought to the test, to see if we will stand up to the line. I never knew it to fail, when men
made covenants, but they were brought to the test, to see if they would live up to them.
JD 5:163, Heber C. Kimball, August 30, 1857

Admit of corrupt administrators sending troops here, and what would be the result? All hell would follow
after. I naturally dislike to have any trouble, and would not, were I not obliged to; but we are obliged to
defend ourselves against the persecution of our oppressors, or have our constitutional rights rent from us, and
have ourselves destroyed. We must either suffer that, or stand up and maintain the kingdom of God on the
earth.
JD 5:234, Brigham Young, September 13, 1857


In those days the Lord enabled Israel to overcome the Hittites, the Hivites, the Jebusites, &c. How easy it
would have been for the Lord to have destroyed them by earthquake, or by fire, or by something of this kind!
But he did not do it, − and why? Because he wanted to do several things at the same time: he wanted to
destroy the wicked, and to see if his servants would flinch in the hour of danger. The Lord is going to defend
this people, but not without their agency. He is not going to let us sit upon our easy chairs and not expose
ourselves. If we were to do this, we should not be worthy of the kingdom of God. He offers the kingdom and
says it is ours, upon certain conditions.
JD 6:204, Orson Pratt, January 24, 1859

Let me say to all of you, Learn to be true and faithful; and, instead of laying out your means for fine bonnets
and fine shoes, and for coffee and tea, my advice to you is, if you can five or ten dollars, go and buy a good
blanket, a gun, or a sword. And we want you, ladies, to provide yourselves with weapons, and with all that is
necessary, and be ready to defend yourselves; for you won't always have your husbands to defend you.
JD 4:376, Heber C. Kimball, August 16, 1857

Do not be so much bound down by the creeds of men and public opinion as not to be free enough to
investigate for yourselves, and when you find a true principle, embrace it. However you may be condemned
by mankind, lay hold of it; it will do you good, and no harm.
JD 6:364, Orson Pratt, July 24, 1859

As for this people fostering to themselves that the day has come for them to sell their guns and ammunition to
their enemies, and sit down to sleep in peace, they will find themselves deceived, and before they know, they
will sleep until they are slain. They have got to carry weapons with them, to be ready to send their enemies to
hell cross lots, whether they be Lamanites, or mobs who may come to take their lives, or destroy their
property. We must be so prepared that they dare not come to us in a hostile manner without being assured they
will meet a vigorous resistance, and ten to one they will meet their grave.
JD 1:172, Brigham Young, July 31, 1853

The charter says that "the city council shall have power and authority to make, ordain, establish, and execute
such ordinances, not repugnant to the Constitution of the United States, or of this State, as they may deem
necessary for the peace, benefit, and safety of the inhabitants of said city;" and also that "the Municipal Court
shall have power to grant writs of Habeas Corpus in all cases arising under the ordinances of the city council."
The city council have passed an ordinance "that no citizen of this city shall be taken out of this city by any
writ, without the privilege of a writ of Habeas Corpus." There is nothing but what we have power over, except
where restricted by the Constitution of the United States. "But," say the mob, "what dangerous powers!" Yes,
dangerous, because they will protect the innocent, and put down mobocrats. The Constitution of the United
States declares that the privilege of the writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be denied. Deny me the right of
Habeas Corpus, and I will fight with gun, sword, cannon, whirlwind, and thunder, until they are used up like
the Kilkenny cats.
JD 2:167, Joseph Smith, June 20, 1843

If any citizens of Illinois say we shall not have our rights, treat them as strangers and not friends, and let them
go to hell and be damned! Some say they will mob us; let them mob and be damned! If we have to give up our
chartered rights, privileges, and freedom, which our fathers fought, bled, and died for, and which the
Constitution of the United States, and of this State, guarantee unto us, we will do it only at the point of the
sword and bayonet.
JD 2:166, Joseph Smith, June 20, 1843

iknowtheydidit wrote:Long time reader first time poster. I have really enjoyed my time reading this board.

I am deservedly concerned that many of those people out there actually thinking Piers Morgan somehow got the upper hand and exposed Alex Jones on Morgan's show. IN NOW WAY DID THAT HAPPEN! Alex Jones was crystal clear with his answers and let Morgan know that he would not be spreading his communism over here.

Is my perception wrong? My coworkers and some friends have been calling me ignorant and saying I am gun fanatic with no concept of context. They have told me the only folks that follow Alex Jones are those with little to no education and generally racists. I do not think I am a racist on any major level. I feel like I got enough education for my needs.

Also, can they take our guns? Is this something that has been prophesied about? I am really concerned and not sleeping well lately.

Wait... you're not a racist? What are you doing listening to Alex Jones, then? Haha. jk. I'd say you have common sense and understand and value the principles this country was founded on. I think that's good enough right there for ldsfreedomforum.

Welcome!

ps - the only scenario I can see them openly coming to physically take our guns is where they create a crisis so bad that the majority of citizens will beg for safety and security, that they will give up just about anything just to have a sense of normalcy again (cell phones, electricity, food, water, etc.).

Minus the mocking and name calling (doesn't Beck do that too?), what Alex Jones actually said was great, but the way he said it leads a majority of people to think he's a crazy dude, a crazy gun fanatic. He bolstered his fans, who are nothing but a very, very small percentage of this country, while at the same time he distanced himself from the rest of the country. Basically, his interview stunk. Piers interviewed Romney about 6 months ago and they discussed gun control. Romney flat out won that debate hands down and probably garnished a few more supporters of the 2nd amendment. Jones? Not so much. Too bad Jones didn't take notes from Romney's interview.

nice list spark_pluged :ymapplause:

spark_pluged wrote:As for this people fostering to themselves that the day has come for them to sell their guns and ammunition to
their enemies, and sit down to sleep in peace, they will find themselves deceived, and before they know, they
will sleep until they are slain. They have got to carry weapons with them, to be ready to send their enemies to
hell cross lots, whether they be Lamanites, or mobs who may come to take their lives, or destroy their
property. We must be so prepared that they dare not come to us in a hostile manner without being assured they
will meet a vigorous resistance, and ten to one they will meet their grave.
JD 1:172, Brigham Young, July 31, 1853

The charter says that "the city council shall have power and authority to make, ordain, establish, and execute
such ordinances, not repugnant to the Constitution of the United States, or of this State, as they may deem
necessary for the peace, benefit, and safety of the inhabitants of said city;" and also that "the Municipal Court
shall have power to grant writs of Habeas Corpus in all cases arising under the ordinances of the city council."
The city council have passed an ordinance "that no citizen of this city shall be taken out of this city by any
writ, without the privilege of a writ of Habeas Corpus." There is nothing but what we have power over, except
where restricted by the Constitution of the United States. "But," say the mob, "what dangerous powers!" Yes,
dangerous, because they will protect the innocent, and put down mobocrats. The Constitution of the United
States declares that the privilege of the writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be denied. Deny me the right of
Habeas Corpus, and I will fight with gun, sword, cannon, whirlwind, and thunder, until they are used up like
the Kilkenny cats.
JD 2:167, Joseph Smith, June 20, 1843

If any citizens of Illinois say we shall not have our rights, treat them as strangers and not friends, and let them
go to hell and be damned! Some say they will mob us; let them mob and be damned! If we have to give up our
chartered rights, privileges, and freedom, which our fathers fought, bled, and died for, and which the
Constitution of the United States, and of this State, guarantee unto us, we will do it only at the point of the
sword and bayonet.
JD 2:166, Joseph Smith, June 20, 1843

Thank you so much for your research. Some Mormon's say all they have to do is to sit back and let God fight our battles. I say die a free person, don't relinquish your right to freedom easily.

shadow wrote:Minus the mocking and name calling (doesn't Beck do that too?), what Alex Jones actually said was great, but the way he said it leads a majority of people to think he's a crazy dude, a crazy gun fanatic. He bolstered his fans, who are nothing but a very, very small percentage of this country, while at the same time he distanced himself from the rest of the country. Basically, his interview stunk. Piers interviewed Romney about 6 months ago and they discussed gun control. Romney flat out won that debate hands down and probably garnished a few more supporters of the 2nd amendment. Jones? Not so much. Too bad Jones didn't take notes from Romney's interview.

Come on, Shadow, what would you do if you were to debate a commie, surrounded by other commies in a studio setting, in front of the public knowing your Constitutional privileges are being trampled on and where government is attempting to put you in a FEMA camp? Wouldn't you get peeved? Would you like to answer the stupid questions Piers posed?

From NDCIC: http://www.whale.to/b/allen_b1.html#signposts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
FOURTEEN SIGNPOSTS TO SLAVERY

1. Restrictions on taking money out of the country and on the establishment or retention of a foreign bank account by an American citizen.

2. Abolition of private ownership of hand guns.

3. Detention of individuals without judicial process.

4. Requirements that private financial transactions be keyed to social security numbers or other government identification so that government records of these transactions can be kept and fed into a computer.

5. Use of compulsory education laws to forbid attendance at presently existing private schools.

6. Compulsory non-military service.

7. Compulsory psychological treatment for non-government workers or public school children.

8. An official declaration that anti-Communist organizations are subversive and subsequent legal action taken to suppress them.

9. Laws limiting the number of people allowed to meet in a private home.

10. Any significant change in passport regulations to make passports more difficult to obtain or use.

11. Wage and price controls, especially in a non-wartime situation

12. Any kind of compulsory registration with the government of where individuals work.

13. Any attempt to restrict freedom of movement within the United States.

14. Any attempt to make a new major law by executive decree (that is, actually put into effect, not merely authorized as by existing executive orders.)

shadow wrote:Minus the mocking and name calling (doesn't Beck do that too?), what Alex Jones actually said was great, but the way he said it leads a majority of people to think he's a crazy dude, a crazy gun fanatic. He bolstered his fans, who are nothing but a very, very small percentage of this country, while at the same time he distanced himself from the rest of the country. Basically, his interview stunk. Piers interviewed Romney about 6 months ago and they discussed gun control. Romney flat out won that debate hands down and probably garnished a few more supporters of the 2nd amendment. Jones? Not so much. Too bad Jones didn't take notes from Romney's interview.

And it is too bad that Romney isn't stepping up now to help protect our 2nd Amendment rights. Now is the time, if we lose our guns we will become slaves.....hear that Mitt? Are you a leader for saving America or just a typical politician?

I got a lot of vicarious pleasure out of watching Alex Jones blast Piers Morgan! I couldn't have done it myself, but I thought Alex was manly, like a red-blooded American man who was not afraid to confront great evil when he saw it. I feel safer around people like Alex Jones, and I am pretty sure my husband and sons/sons-in-law would do the same. Being sedate is good most of the time, but extreme peril sometimes requires extreme measures.

Just who does Piers Morgan think he is?

He throws his papers at his guest.
He is very rude.
He puts words into other people's mouth.
He does not want to hear truth.