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We need to mirror the new 2013 Wyoming Firearm Protection Act, just as we did with the Montana Firearms Protection Act of 2012

Link to Wyomings new legislation
http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2013/Introduced/HB0104.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please contact your state representatives, political action groups and local news organizations.

2013 STATE OF WYOMING
HB0104 HOUSE BILL NO. HB0104
Firearm Protection Act.
Sponsored by: Representative(s) Kroeker, Baker, Burkhart,
Jaggi, Miller, Piiparinen, Reeder and
Winters and Senator(s) Dockstader and Hicks
A BILL
for
AN ACT relating to firearms; providing that any federal law
which attempts to ban a semi-automatic firearm or to limit
the size of a magazine of a firearm or other limitation on
firearms in this state shall be unenforceable in Wyoming;
providing a penalty; and providing for an effective date.

Be It Enacted by the Legislature of the State of Wyoming:

Section 1. W.S. 6-8-405 is amended to read:

6-8-405. Offenses and penalties; defense of Wyoming
citizens.

(a) No public servant as defined in W.S. 6-5-101, or
dealer selling any firearm in this state shall enforce or
attempt to enforce any act, law, statute, rule or 2013 STATE OF WYOMING 13LSO-0426
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regulation of the United States government relating to a
personal firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition that is
owned or manufactured commercially or privately in Wyoming
and that remains exclusively within the borders of Wyoming.

(b) Any official, agent or employee of the United
States government who enforces or attempts to enforce any
act, order, law, statute, rule or regulation of the United
States government upon a personal firearm, a firearm
accessory or ammunition that is owned or manufactured
commercially or privately in Wyoming and that remains
exclusively within the borders of Wyoming shall be guilty
of a misdemeanor felony and, upon conviction, shall be
subject to imprisonment for not more less than one (1) year
and one (1) day or more than five (5) years, a fine of not
more than two thousand dollars ($2,000.00) five thousand
dollars ($5,000.00), or both.

(c) The attorney general may defend a citizen of
Wyoming who is prosecuted by the United States government
for violation of a federal law relating to the manufacture,
sale, transfer or possession of a firearm, a firearm
accessory or ammunition owned or manufactured and retained
exclusively within the borders of Wyoming. 2013 STATE OF WYOMING 13LSO-0426
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(d) Any federal law, rule, regulation or order
created or effective on or after January 1, 2013 shall be
unenforceable within the borders of Wyoming if the law,
rule, regulation or order attempts to:

(i) Ban or restrict ownership of a semi-
automatic firearm or any magazine of a firearm; or

(ii) Require any firearm, magazine or other
firearm accessory to be registered in any manner.

Section 2. This act is effective immediately upon
completion of all acts necessary for a bill to become law
as provided by Article 4, Section 8 of the Wyoming
Constitution.

Why not add a constitutional carry clause to it and call it a triumph all around?

Unless they involve manufacturers. Then just like UT SB-11 http://le.utah.gov/~2010/htmdoc/sbillhtm/sb0011.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; which made it legal for, among other things, suppressors made in Utah to be sold in Utah without going through the Feds. The problem is there are no manufacturers that I know of who are willing to do that. They're afraid that the Feds will shut them down, so the Utah law is meaningless.

ktg wrote:Unless they involve manufacturers. Then just like UT SB-11 http://le.utah.gov/~2010/htmdoc/sbillhtm/sb0011.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; which made it legal for, among other things, suppressors made in Utah to be sold in Utah without going through the Feds. The problem is there are no manufacturers that I know of who are willing to do that. They're afraid that the Feds will shut them down, so the Utah law is meaningless.

Exactly. Utah is a pretty bad state as far as personal liberties go. (It is illegal to collect rainwater, after all). If a state really cared at all, they would respect the U.S. Constitution's (inspired by God) language of "Shall NOT BE INFRINGED." It's infringed everywhere, we're just not as infringed in certain ways as certain other states.

As it is, everyone has kowtowed to the oligarchy of Washington D.C. and we no longer have a Constitutional Republic. As such, I don't expect local leaders to do anything for us. History is nothing is not replete with the same lessons over and over. And that is that freedoms are swiftly and decisively won, and rolled back slowly and unceasingly. The waves slowly but surely pound the beach, the inevitable truth is that a new sandcastle must always be built (even if of the same design, a la, a restoration), one cannot amend or repair the damage done slowly.

Jared left for the Americas, Noah's world was flooded, Nephi came to the Americas, the U.S. broke off of England. There may be a brief abatement in the loss of liberties, but they are never fully realized by gaining slowly, and over time, never. That's not the way that life works. Thinks rapidly grow, reach maturity and then slowly die. It's all around us.

I would have to say that after studying laws from around the country, Utah has some of the best gun laws in the nation. They have been getting better over the last few years due to some good legislators and activists. Utah may lack in other areas, and I believe that rain water is now legal to collect, but as far as gun laws go they are in the top 2 or 3.

JerL wrote:I would have to say that after studying laws from around the country, Utah has some of the best gun laws in the nation. They have been getting better over the last few years due to some good legislators and activists. Utah may lack in other areas, and I believe that rain water is now legal to collect, but as far as gun laws go they are in the top 2 or 3.

The real problem is that Americans don't realize that the Constitution is the Supreme law of the land, as read in Article VI. If legislators and other government officials were swamped with letters stating this fact...the message would get out. Government is not supposed to rule over us, rather, government is supposed to be ruled by "We The People".

How can government be changed and held accountable if Americans are ignorant of the power they already have. 2nd Amendment is inclusive. This is why every act against the Constitution by our government is illegal and unconstitutional. Why don't Americans believe this? Why do they let government tell lies and deceive the public into believing otherwise? It is because of the lack of knowledge of our beloved Constitution, in even the brightest of Americans stupidly believing such crap coming from Washington.

Wake up America! Stand for freedom and liberty by knowing and upholding the Constitution, given us by God...and this includes owning and bearing arms.

JerL wrote:I would have to say that after studying laws from around the country, Utah has some of the best gun laws in the nation. They have been getting better over the last few years due to some good legislators and activists. Utah may lack in other areas, and I believe that rain water is now legal to collect, but as far as gun laws go they are in the top 2 or 3.

Rain water is illegal to collect. You can apply for a permit that allows you to collect a certain number of gallons (A few hundred, IIRC), which is free, but you still have to apply for a permit, and it's still limited.

As far as guns go, let me know when everyone is allowed to carry open, or concealed, without registration, a background check, or "gun free zones" (private property excepted, as property rights include asking someone not to enter your land with a firearm), and then the right God gave us won't be infringed upon. Until then, we're just talking degrees of tyranny, not freedom.

freedomfighter wrote:

JerL wrote:I would have to say that after studying laws from around the country, Utah has some of the best gun laws in the nation. They have been getting better over the last few years due to some good legislators and activists. Utah may lack in other areas, and I believe that rain water is now legal to collect, but as far as gun laws go they are in the top 2 or 3.

The real problem is that Americans don't realize that the Constitution is the Supreme law of the land, as read in Article VI. If legislators and other government officials were swamped with letters stating this fact...the message would get out. Government is not supposed to rule over us, rather, government is supposed to be ruled by "We The People".

How can government be changed and held accountable if Americans are ignorant of the power they already have. 2nd Amendment is inclusive. This is why every act against the Constitution by our government is illegal and unconstitutional. Why don't Americans believe this? Why do they let government tell lies and deceive the public into believing otherwise? It is because of the lack of knowledge of our beloved Constitution, in even the brightest of Americans stupidly believing such crap coming from Washington.

Wake up America! Stand for freedom and liberty by knowing and upholding the Constitution, given us by God...and this includes owning and bearing arms.

Well said, Freedom! The fact is that people quibble over the benevolence of the tyrants whose chains lay lightest across their backs, and no longer even know what the freedom is that our Founding Fathers fought for, commissioned of God. Freedom hasn't been seen in a hundred years.

jdawg1012 wrote:

freedomfighter wrote:

JerL wrote:I would have to say that after studying laws from around the country, Utah has some of the best gun laws in the nation. They have been getting better over the last few years due to some good legislators and activists. Utah may lack in other areas, and I believe that rain water is now legal to collect, but as far as gun laws go they are in the top 2 or 3.

The real problem is that Americans don't realize that the Constitution is the Supreme law of the land, as read in Article VI. If legislators and other government officials were swamped with letters stating this fact...the message would get out. Government is not supposed to rule over us, rather, government is supposed to be ruled by "We The People".

How can government be changed and held accountable if Americans are ignorant of the power they already have. 2nd Amendment is inclusive. This is why every act against the Constitution by our government is illegal and unconstitutional. Why don't Americans believe this? Why do they let government tell lies and deceive the public into believing otherwise? It is because of the lack of knowledge of our beloved Constitution, in even the brightest of Americans stupidly believing such crap coming from Washington.

Wake up America! Stand for freedom and liberty by knowing and upholding the Constitution, given us by God...and this includes owning and bearing arms.

Well said, Freedom! The fact is that people quibble over the benevolence of the tyrants whose chains lay lightest across their backs, and no longer even know what the freedom is that our Founding Fathers fought for, commissioned of God. Freedom hasn't been seen in a hundred years.

Thanks. Growing up I thought everything was normal. I didn't know about the Constitution and what it provided. What little bit came from classes in school, I didn't really pay that much attention to.
As I have gotten older, and especially in the last three years, I have grown to appreciate the Constitution. I am learning what its about and how it can be used for stances for keeping freedom and liberty. With knowledge comes power...power to let legislators know what they can and cannot do because of the Constitution. It helps to keep wool from being pulled over one's eyes, it empowers us against tyranny by voicing our stance...because it is the Supreme Law of the Land. Without this knowledge enslavement is the result. If all descent Americans knew what we have, government couldn't pull the crap they get away with now.

This is why I'm posting information, in hopes it will spark an interest and change in people so we can have more strength against tyranny. At least it is worth trying.

freedomfighter wrote:Thanks. Growing up I thought everything was normal. I didn't know about the Constitution and what it provided. What little bit came from classes in school, I didn't really pay that much attention to.
As I have gotten older, and especially in the last three years, I have grown to appreciate the Constitution. I am learning what its about and how it can be used for stances for keeping freedom and liberty. With knowledge comes power...power to let legislators know what they can and cannot do because of the Constitution. It helps to keep wool from being pulled over one's eyes, it empowers us against tyranny by voicing our stance...because it is the Supreme Law of the Land. Without this knowledge enslavement is the result. If all descent Americans knew what we have, government couldn't pull the crap they get away with now.

This is why I'm posting information, in hopes it will spark an interest and change in people so we can have more strength against tyranny. At least it is worth trying.

I agree. Knowledge is indeed power. The problem is that people's emotions often override their use of wisdom. The complacent populace brays for an overlord to come in and take care of them. Many years ago in college, our class was divided into giving presentations about differing forms of government. While I knew some things about social systems, etc., I was pretty well new to the idea of socialism/communism, etc. (and this was before I converted). No one volunteered to take "Totalitarian Dictatorship," and I ended up volunteering, and it was assigned to me and two other people (so I wouldn't be by myself). I read all of the information about it, and because my other classmates didn't particularly like the idea, they voted for me to give our presentation.

I got up and told everyone that they would never have to worry, and that we would make everyone be good. I stated that everyone would be well cared for, and that as long as they worked, everyone in society would benefit, and that although we'd be like kings, we'd be good kings, and make sure no one fell through the cracks, etc. In any event, after each group presented, the professor asked, by show of hands, how many people would want to live in each system. I'd say about half or so raised their hands for "Constitutional Republic" and for all the other categories, a few people voted here and there. However, going last, we had had everyone else present their government forms before us. In an odd twist of fate, the entire class lifted their hands but two people: an old timer, and a man I later found out was a Latter-day Saint. The entire class wanted to live in our totalitarian dictatorship.

The teacher then went back through each government form, and this time people were only allowed to vote once. Everyone but those two (IIRC), voted to live under a dictatorship. Our professor said that in all her years, she had never seen a single person want to live in a dictatorship, let alone virtually every single student. I told her it was simple (like all dictators do), you tell them the things they want to hear first, and then get into office.

It wasn't till I converted (a few months later), and years more maturity, that I understood that that was exactly what Satan had promised (as recorded in the scriptures), only the Latter-day Saint, and the older man (Who had fought, I believe it was, in Korea), refused the temptation. When asked why they wouldn't choose it, their answers were something like 'I just know that it's wrong." The significance of how willingly people will trade freedom for a false sense of security has never left my mind. I see it each and everyday, and an informed mind and eye to freedom, and history, and TRUTH, are the great liberators. Truth is what sets us free, and the truth is God wants us to have unencumbered agency: the right to choose what is right.

That has been gone for many, many years, and Prophets warned us that it was eroding early last century.

ktg wrote:Unless they involve manufacturers. Then just like UT SB-11 http://le.utah.gov/~2010/htmdoc/sbillhtm/sb0011.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; which made it legal for, among other things, suppressors made in Utah to be sold in Utah without going through the Feds. The problem is there are no manufacturers that I know of who are willing to do that. They're afraid that the Feds will shut them down, so the Utah law is meaningless.

For this I would say 3D Printed Firearms
http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/06/im-not ... nted-guns/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ktg wrote:Unless they involve manufacturers. Then just like UT SB-11 http://le.utah.gov/~2010/htmdoc/sbillhtm/sb0011.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; which made it legal for, among other things, suppressors made in Utah to be sold in Utah without going through the Feds. The problem is there are no manufacturers that I know of who are willing to do that. They're afraid that the Feds will shut them down, so the Utah law is meaningless.

There are also manufacturers in Utah that would be intrastate by default.

Some Utah Firearms Manufacturers...

Browning Firearms (Founded by John M. Browning and makers of fine firearms and related items)
One Browning Place
Morgan, UT 84050-9326
e-mail- [email protected]

Christensen Arms (Makers of graphite barreled rifles- and artificial limbs)
192 East 100 North
Fayette, Utah 84630
(435)528-7999; toll free (888) 517-8855
e-mail- [email protected]

Cobra Enterprises of Utah, Inc. (Makers of double barrel derringers, and semi auto pistols, both single action and double action)
1960 South Millstone Drive, Suite F
Salt lake City, UT 84104-6540
(801) 908-8300
e-mail- [email protected]

L.A.R. Manufacturing (Best known for their "Grizzley" handgun and .50 BMG caliber "Big Boar" rifles)
4133 West Farm Road
West Jordan, UT 84088
(801)280-3505
e-mail- [email protected]

North American Arms (Best known for their miniature revolvers but makers of other firearms as well)
215 South 940 East
Provo UT 84606
e-mail- [email protected]

Robinson Armament Company (Makers of advanced design rifles)
2975 South 300 East
Salt Lake City, UT 84115
(801)485-1012

Vector Arms(Makers or service center for Uzi, H&K, AK and RPD type guns)
270 West 500 North
North Salt Lake, UT 84054
(801) 295-1917

Wheeler-Topping, LLC (makers of fine revolvers in heavy calibers such as .44 magnum, .45-70, .454 Casull and .500 S&W)
9096 South 260 East
Sandy, UT 84070
(801) 250-8505

as well as Ammunition and Components
Barnes Bullets (Manufacturers of high quality hunting bullets since 1932)
P.O. Box 215
American Fork, UT 84003
e-mail- [email protected]
RimRock Bullets (Manufacturers of premium hard cast lead bullets)
P.O. Box 1417
Duck Creek Village, UT 84762
(435)682-2645

TTI Armory (Developer and manufacturer of specialty ammunition. Specializing in .50 Browning, subsonic and match ammunition for recreational, competition and tactical applications.)
14884 S. Heritagecrest Way, Suite A
Salt Lake City, UT 84065
(801)269-1102