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natasha wrote:

shadow wrote:

freedomfighter wrote:Ask ourselves:

The first video is so stupid, nothing but garbage and a mockery of the parents. No wonder why conspiracy theories never gain traction.

A few years ago some very good friends of mine lost two of their kids in a car accident. It was extremely painful for them, terribly painful. But while talking to them at the viewing about some of the things the boys did made them smile and laugh. Even at the funeral when they spoke they smiled and laughed at times, they also cried. I've never lost anyone close to me unexpectedly so I can't really say how I would react, but I imagine that throughout the grieving process and in the midst of pain and agony I would find joy and happiness in their lives lived. That's normal for a healthy person.

Very true, Shadow. Having lived long enough to have attended many funerals...I note a vast difference between LDS funerals and others. Some of the people who have spoken at a few LDS funerals I've attended were down right humerous when speaking about the deceased...as in experiences shared with the deceased, etc. I think those who are LDS, and some others of the Christian world, who have a strong belief in the hereafter realize the separation is temporary.

I was upset when I saw her parents being involved in the scrutiny..especially over her dad's reactions. I agree with what has been said about that already. It is such a surreal, exhausting and gut wrenching thing to go through. I was with my dad after he had his strokes and I stayed in the hospital with him for 5 days and watched him struggle to breath and slowly die. Sorry for being so blunt about it but It was as horrible as it sounds. But during it, we smiled, we laughed, shared memory's and told jokes. It was much needed medicine during such horrific times. At the very end only a couple hours before he finally died. My brother and I sat by his bed side telling jokes at one point. We desperately needed the 'break'. It was either that or have continued and constant anxiety attacks. Only time in my life I have ever really experienced one of those. There were many, many tears shed and broken hearts but It doesn't mean you still can't find a reason to smile.

Thanks natasha, ashley and shadow. You notice I didn't offer any thoughts of my own. I was looking for honest responses. I could be wrong, but my gut tells me the Sandy Hook incident is fishy. Too many conflicting details and such. Like, did the parents get to see their fallen children or not? How can parents have closure if they weren't allowed to see them, at least their face? And why so much controversy about an assault weapon over one not having been used. What's up with that?

Anyway, like I said, I think the whole thing has an odor. I don't think there is enough honest information out there to make me think otherwise. As far as parents laughing, how would parents act having seen their child, as opposed to not having been given the chance to see them? Wouldn't that alone cause a difference in one's demeanor?

freedomfighter wrote:Thanks natasha, ashley and shadow. You notice I didn't offer any thoughts of my own. I was looking for honest responses. I could be wrong, but my gut tells me the Sandy Hook incident is fishy. Too many conflicting details and such. Like, did the parents get to see their fallen children or not? How can parents have closure if they weren't allowed to see them, at least their face? And why so much controversy about an assault weapon over one not having been used. What's up with that?

Anyway, like I said, I think the whole thing has an odor. I don't think there is enough honest information out there to make me think otherwise. As far as parents laughing, how would parents act having seen their child, as opposed to not having been given the chance to see them? Wouldn't that alone cause a difference in one's demeanor?

Do you doubt that twenty children and six adults were killed?

Honest question-
Where does the idea come from that none of the kids were seen by family members after their deaths? Were there no open casket funerals? Where's the proof?

shadow wrote:Honest question-
Where does the idea come from that none of the kids were seen by family members after their deaths? Were there no open casket funerals? Where's the proof?

I thought I heard that statement on some talk show. Can't find the source. So unless I can find it, you are correct on calling me on it. I will not pursue what I may be wrong about. I don't work that way. Sorry.

Nevertheless, an incident like this (the school shooting) is used to further the ban on guns agenda which agenda I am totally against. The socialists in government and in media and DHS are out to take our guns, believe it. And unless we resist in every way possible we will lose. I am very thankful that finally a group of patriots (Guns Across America) have stood up and declared "we will defend." And I believe as time goes on more and more people will join in the fight.

People on this forum or anywhere else that only complain without action will be the real victims...victims to their own apathy. Socialism is real. It ain't pretty.

freedomfighter wrote: Nevertheless, an incident like this (the school shooting) is used to further the ban on guns agenda which agenda I am totally against.

That's the bigger point. What happened at Sandy Hook was a tragedy. It is being exploited by those with a contrary agenda. Instead of wasting time on these worthless conspiracies this is what needs the focus.

shadow wrote:Honest question-
Where does the idea come from that none of the kids were seen by family members after their deaths? Were there no open casket funerals? Where's the proof?

See the video above, Shadow, what I said is shown in it about parents only seeing pictures of their kids...at the 19:00 minute mark. You decide what to ascertain from this.

Duuhhhhhh! #-o #-o :-J

Holy Moly, He does seem cooky no? Maybe they are all like that from seeing so much death?

AshleyB wrote:Holy Moly, He does seem cooky no? Maybe they are all like that from seeing so much death?

They are! I knew of one coroner who would put food in the fridge where the bodies were kept. I knew of another who seemed to have personal friendships with his guests. Strange lot! @-)

Tribunal wrote:

AshleyB wrote:Holy Moly, He does seem cooky no? Maybe they are all like that from seeing so much death?

They are! I knew of one coroner who would put food in the fridge where the bodies were kept. I knew of another who seemed to have personal friendships with his guests. Strange lot! @-)

yikes.... I guess you gotta be a little kooky to WANT to examine dead bodies to begin with. lol That would never be my cup of tea. However, I am sure glad some people want to do it because we need it.

Long term exposure to formaldehyde will make anyone crazy.

I was thinking of this today and came to an unpleasant realization I'm surprised I didn't reach sooner, or for that matter see anyone else mention.

We already have ample proof, including their own confession, that the FBI has been grooming mentally disturbed patsies by pretending to be a terror organization, then sending them off with a fake bomb to be foiled. It could even be argued that, if it fit their agenda, they could just as easily load this patsy up with a real bomb and fail to stop him, then point to him as a nutcase acting alone, like so many other mass murderers in recent history.

Since that's the case, how is swapping guns for bombs any different? You have a very similar set of circumstances, aside from the patsy succeeding in his horrific plan. And it certainly fits the government's agenda, given the way they immediately jumped on their speaking tubes to profit from the event.

So horrible as it sounds, has anyone looked into the FBI or some other organization grooming patsies for activities other than terrorist bomb plots? Because I'd be willing to wager any amount of money they don't confine their tactics to that one method when it's so very effective and no one seems to raise any protest no matter how obvious they are about it.

Fairminded wrote:I was thinking of this today and came to an unpleasant realization I'm surprised I didn't reach sooner, or for that matter see anyone else mention.

We already have ample proof, including their own confession, that the FBI has been grooming mentally disturbed patsies by pretending to be a terror organization, then sending them off with a fake bomb to be foiled. It could even be argued that, if it fit their agenda, they could just as easily load this patsy up with a real bomb and fail to stop him, then point to him as a nutcase acting alone, like so many other mass murderers in recent history.

Since that's the case, how is swapping guns for bombs any different? You have a very similar set of circumstances, aside from the patsy succeeding in his horrific plan. And it certainly fits the government's agenda, given the way they immediately jumped on their speaking tubes to profit from the event.

So horrible as it sounds, has anyone looked into the FBI or some other organization grooming patsies for activities other than terrorist bomb plots? Because I'd be willing to wager any amount of money they don't confine their tactics to that one method when it's so very effective and no one seems to raise any protest no matter how obvious they are about it.

If there is ample proof would you be willing to post some of it?

It wouldn't necessarily be f b i, either. According to one of Dr. Stanley Monteith's regular guests, there are several million 'sleepers' within the United States waiting to be 'activated' for the "Black Awakening".

I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

MK Ultra.......

Tribunal wrote: If there is ample proof would you be willing to post some of it?

I could, but it would be secondhand from multiple threads on this forum. Have you been reading as assiduously as you've been posting? If you haven't seen them why not go to the source and find the whole fascinating story.

Fairminded wrote:

Tribunal wrote: If there is ample proof would you be willing to post some of it?

I could, but it would be secondhand from multiple threads on this forum. Have you been reading as assiduously as you've been posting? If you haven't seen them why not go to the source and find the whole fascinating story.

I honestly do not remember anything being posted about the stuff you've mentioned. Sorry!

I investigate your claim and get back...

Fairminded wrote:

Tribunal wrote: If there is ample proof would you be willing to post some of it?

I could, but it would be secondhand from multiple threads on this forum. Have you been reading as assiduously as you've been posting? If you haven't seen them why not go to the source and find the whole fascinating story.

If you can find a copy of this film, this is a good example. Pretty sad what was done to these kids. They seem bright but they were groomed and set up by the CIA or FBI to take a fall.

I know I am joining this conversation late and I have not read all of the responses but I have watched several of the Sandy Hook videos. There are definitely a lot of holes in the story and a lot of questions that need to be answered. I don't believe all of the evidence presented, for example the little girl with Obama that they are saying is Emilie. I don't believe that it is. She looks different. I believe that is her little sister but there are some oddities that were pointed out with a couple of the Parker family photos. But anyways aside from that I just find myself asking a lot of questions and wishing we could just know the real truth behind the whole thing......there are too many things that aren't adding up.

shadow wrote:Honest question-
Where does the idea come from that none of the kids were seen by family members after their deaths? Were there no open casket funerals? Where's the proof?

I did come across a blog post that Noah Pozner did have an open casket at his funeral and Jack Pinto, so there were some and probably others as well.

The general public is becoming more distrusting of media, institutions, government. So it should not come as a surprise that citizen journalists around the world are analyzing the official Sandy Hook story to see if it can stand on it's own. Many are finding that the story has many holes, some tell tale signs we have seen before, lack of security footage, change in weapons, sequestering media.
Alex Jones now goes on the record with his thoughts and analysis. He highlights some red flags, shows the CNN track record of faking news reports and working with Military Intelligence.

Darn good thing we're all prepared! We're all prepared--Right???

No rifle was used at Sandy Hook. It was later found in the trunk of the car. The coroner looked kooky enough to have lied about it, or else.