BYU student gives her reason for voting Obama.

[jonesde]

What the hell is happening to the lords church. Are you serious. It is her right to believe what she will politically as long as she does not infringe upon my rights, but she is Mormon, and I have a responsibility to purge out evil like this from the church.

I only glanced at this thread with mild interest, but this post really sums up the modern Church: it is a club for the "righteous" (in quotes because it is the people who consider themselves righteous, not who necessarily are).

We're getting right back to the situation that Christ pointed to with "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." He didn't mean the "righteous" as in those who need no repentance, but rather the hypocrites of the day who simply believed they needed no repentance.

Christ also said that someday he would purge his Church, but unless you happen to be Jesus Chris himself, then that is not your role and it would not be an act of real righteousness, but rather of false righteousness.

[Fiannan]

What the hell is happening to the lords church. Are you serious. It is her right to believe what she will politically as long as she does not infringe upon my rights, but she is Mormon, and I have a responsibility to purge out evil like this from the church.

I only glanced at this thread with mild interest, but this post really sums up the modern Church: it is a club for the "righteous" (in quotes because it is the people who consider themselves righteous, not who necessarily are).

We're getting right back to the situation that Christ pointed to with "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." He didn't mean the "righteous" as in those who need no repentance, but rather the hypocrites of the day who simply believed they needed no repentance.

Christ also said that someday he would purge his Church, but unless you happen to be Jesus Chris himself, then that is not your role and it would not be an act of real righteousness, but rather of false righteousness.

Shouldn't we listen to what the girl has to say? She is dressed modestly and has no facial jewelry. Aren't those the signs of righteousness that we are to look for?

If she would have had a nose piercing or a sleeveless blouse on we know whatever her message we should ignore it for the outward appearance of a man or woman is what counts the most.

[George Alabaster]

The one thing I give this naive girl is that she is one of the very few posters on YouTube for Obama that allows for people to comment on her videos. Most pro-Obama videos I have run across allow for no comments.

Fiannan,
Not sure I agree with you on that assessment. She seems quite aware of the impact of a possible Romney presidency on women. Perhaps you are the naive one in thinking that Romney has your interests at heart.

George

A vote for Obama insures more corruption, more police state, more audacious TSA fondling and more wars.

Romney could do no worse so at least with him we have a chance.

Fiannan,
You can't get any more corrupt than a merging of government and business interests, which is Romney. Did you know Tag Romney partially owns a voting machine company? Scary.

George

[Poltax]

She can vote as she wants. But.....she has "the crazy eyes". Stay a far away as you can.

[freedomforall]

Okay, folks. Read these verses and then say we are not to approach those who speak against righteous principles.

Luke 22:32
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

D&C 108:7
Therefore, strengthen your brethren in all your conversation, in all your prayers, in all your exhortations, and in all your doings.

Mosiah 3:19
For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father

To those that think this is bogus information and counsel, merely skip over it. Sometimes truth hurts.

Hasn't that girl listened to the wrong voices?

[freedomforall]

What the hell is happening to the lords church. Are you serious. It is her right to believe what she will politically as long as she does not infringe upon my rights, but she is Mormon, and I have a responsibility to purge out evil like this from the church.

I only glanced at this thread with mild interest, but this post really sums up the modern Church: it is a club for the "righteous" (in quotes because it is the people who consider themselves righteous, not who necessarily are).

We're getting right back to the situation that Christ pointed to with "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." He didn't mean the "righteous" as in those who need no repentance, but rather the hypocrites of the day who simply believed they needed no repentance.

Christ also said that someday he would purge his Church, but unless you happen to be Jesus Chris himself, then that is not your role and it would not be an act of real righteousness, but rather of false righteousness.

Shouldn't we listen to what the girl has to say? She is dressed modestly and has no facial jewelry. Aren't those the signs of righteousness that we are to look for?

If she would have had a nose piercing or a sleeveless blouse on we know whatever her message we should ignore it for the outward appearance of a man or woman is what counts the most.

Beauty is only skin deep. It's what underneath that tells the bigger story. She is not someone I would have conversation with and expect to feel good inside afterward.

Even the Elect can be deceived.

[George Alabaster]

Okay, folks. Read these verses and then say we are not to approach those who speak against righteous principles.

...

To those that think this is bogus information and counsel, merely skip over it. Sometimes truth hurts.

Hasn't that girl listened to the wrong voices?

freedomfighter,

Nothing she said violates those quotes, no position she advocated was not righteous.

George

[freedomforall]

Okay, folks. Read these verses and then say we are not to approach those who speak against righteous principles.

...

To those that think this is bogus information and counsel, merely skip over it. Sometimes truth hurts.

Hasn't that girl listened to the wrong voices?

freedomfighter,

Nothing she said violates those quotes, no position she advocated was not righteous.

George

Okay, so which ones were righteous? Watch it again and then quote her stances that were not precepts of men...but actual, authentic Christ-like attributes.

Maybe I missed something in the translation.

[firend]

What the hell is happening to the lords church. Are you serious. It is her right to believe what she will politically as long as she does not infringe upon my rights, but she is Mormon, and I have a responsibility to purge out evil like this from the church.

I only glanced at this thread with mild interest, but this post really sums up the modern Church: it is a club for the "righteous" (in quotes because it is the people who consider themselves righteous, not who necessarily are).

We're getting right back to the situation that Christ pointed to with "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." He didn't mean the "righteous" as in those who need no repentance, but rather the hypocrites of the day who simply believed they needed no repentance.

Christ also said that someday he would purge his Church, but unless you happen to be Jesus Chris himself, then that is not your role and it would not be an act of real righteousness, but rather of false righteousness.

When i said it is my responsibility to purge, i should have clarified. I mean that we all should be looking out for the church, and if a person is unbecoming a true saint then that is why we have church courts. I just do not want to be a sin of omission by-standard. That is what I meant, sorry if it sounded like something else.

[George Alabaster]

Okay, folks. Read these verses and then say we are not to approach those who speak against righteous principles.

...

To those that think this is bogus information and counsel, merely skip over it. Sometimes truth hurts.

Hasn't that girl listened to the wrong voices?

freedomfighter,

Nothing she said violates those quotes, no position she advocated was not righteous.

George

Okay, so which ones were righteous? Watch it again and then quote her stances that were not precepts of men...but actual, authentic Christ-like attributes.

Maybe I missed something in the translation.

freedomfighter,

OK, let's see...

Being kind to women? Check.
Being kind to other races? Check.
Caring for the health of other people? Big check on that one.
Ending wars? I think Jesus would like that... thou shall not kill...
Increasing the rights to marriage? I think Jesus would like that too.

George

[jonesde]

freedomfighter,

Nothing she said violates those quotes, no position she advocated was not righteous.

George

Okay, so which ones were righteous? Watch it again and then quote her stances that were not precepts of men...but actual, authentic Christ-like attributes.

Maybe I missed something in the translation.

freedomfighter,

OK, let's see...

Being kind to women? Check.
Being kind to other races? Check.
Caring for the health of other people? Big check on that one.
Ending wars? I think Jesus would like that... thou shall not kill...
Increasing the rights to marriage? I think Jesus would like that too.

George

Unfortunately it seemed like she was also advocating for the use of force to take from some and give to others for health care. Various modern prophets have spoken against that, and my guess is that Christ would not use force to solve any problem where it wasn't justified by some sort of aggression, or as the creator of this world to improve chances of salvation for his spiritual children (but in that respect I don't think we are justified in using force unless we are directly commanded to do so).

[Andrew52]

And this is what worries me. The Gay agenda is everywhere. It is immoral to “mainstream” homosexuality to children in schools in the guise of teaching tolerance and diversity. This Young Woman makes me sad. She is greatly misguided.

If I had children at home, they would not attend public schools. They are brainwashing our children. I have to de-program my grandchildren. Their parents do so daily and pay close attention to what they are being taught. The are also being taught to be
environmentalists.

[George Alabaster]

...

Unfortunately it seemed like she was also advocating for the use of force to take from some and give to others for health care. Various modern prophets have spoken against that, and my guess is that Christ would not use force to solve any problem where it wasn't justified by some sort of aggression, or as the creator of this world to improve chances of salvation for his spiritual children (but in that respect I don't think we are justified in using force unless we are directly commanded to do so).

jonesde,

I didn't hear any mention of force. Why would you object to giving money to help the sick? Just because it's done by a secular institution?

George


Andrew52,

The only agenda that gays have in my experience is to be treated fairly.

George

[jonesde]

...

Unfortunately it seemed like she was also advocating for the use of force to take from some and give to others for health care. Various modern prophets have spoken against that, and my guess is that Christ would not use force to solve any problem where it wasn't justified by some sort of aggression, or as the creator of this world to improve chances of salvation for his spiritual children (but in that respect I don't think we are justified in using force unless we are directly commanded to do so).

jonesde,

I didn't hear any mention of force. Why would you object to giving money to help the sick? Just because it's done by a secular institution?

George

Yes, political rhetoric usually conveniently leaves out the force involved with any program. The health care she is talking about is not "giving" money to help the sick... those who speak in favor of this are not talking about "giving" any of their own money, they are talking about doing it with other people's money. They are talking about stealing from one group to give to another (and of course taking a good percentage of it to employ bureaucrats and strengthen their political power and in turn their personal finances).

Andrew52,

The only agenda that gays have in my experience is to be treated fairly.

George

On this I agree with you. Traditional "Christian" treatment of homosexuals, including acts by many LDS people, is aggressive and abhorrent and it is not right.

On the other hand, my opinion is the government shouldn't be involved in marriage in the first place. This covers a wide variety of issues including temple marriage, polygamy, forced religious recognition or performance of homosexual marriage, bans on interracial and other controversial marriages, father's rights, a for-profit legal system, and so on.

Government has interfered with marriage for ages, including LDS marriages. To both prevent erosion of the LDS beliefs and practices related to marriage, and to treat homosexuals in a more Christ-like way, we should all be for government getting out of marriage altogether.

[freedomforall]

[quote="George Alabaster"
freedomfighter,

Nothing she said violates those quotes, no position she advocated was not righteous.

George

Okay, so which ones were righteous? Watch it again and then quote her stances that were not precepts of men...but actual, authentic Christ-like attributes.

Maybe I missed something in the translation.

freedomfighter,

OK, let's see...

Being kind to women? Check. Women's rights is not the same thing.
Being kind to other races? Check. I agree.
Caring for the health of other people? Big check on that one. Government healthcare, Notta.
Ending wars? I think Jesus would like that... thou shall not kill... Especially when it is our government that sets em' up. Or didn't you read "None Dare Call It Conspiracy?"
Increasing the rights to marriage? I think Jesus would like that too. Not gay marriages. Or did you miss that part?

George[/quote]


Knowing that Oregon is a Democratic, liberal state with porno shops dotting the land (several of them right in my area) and people driving around with Obama bumper stickers on their cars...I can understand your point of view.

Me, I'll adhere to gospel principles, and not garbage like that girl spewed. She clearly doesn't know church doctrine, nor do her statements reflect agreement with church doctrine as written in scripture.

I wouldn't vote for Obama if he were the only candidate running for office?

I've tried contacting Kurt Schrader and he won't even acknowledge my complaints, which are many.

[freedomforall]

...

Unfortunately it seemed like she was also advocating for the use of force to take from some and give to others for health care. Various modern prophets have spoken against that, and my guess is that Christ would not use force to solve any problem where it wasn't justified by some sort of aggression, or as the creator of this world to improve chances of salvation for his spiritual children (but in that respect I don't think we are justified in using force unless we are directly commanded to do so).

jonesde,

I didn't hear any mention of force. Why would you object to giving money to help the sick? Just because it's done by a secular institution?

George


Andrew52,

The only agenda that gays have in my experience is to be treated fairly.

George

What one generation tolerates, the next generation embraces. So when you see two gays walking hand in hand and your grandchildren ask what that is all about, you're going to tell them that it is normal and they need to accept it? Ya, right! Then when they get older will you be happy to see them following suit? Need I say more?

How can parents at home teach their children right and wrong when the parents accept the wrong? This makes for some hypocrisy, does it not?

[shadow]

The only agenda that gays have in my experience is to be treated fairly.

George

That's why gay pride parades are as moral as any other parade. Not much difference in a fully clothed clown throwing candy vs. a naked man (minus the dental floss and sock) throwing condoms :ymparty:

[freedomforall]

The only agenda that gays have in my experience is to be treated fairly.

George

That's why gay pride parades are as moral as any other parade. Not much difference in a fully clothed clown throwing candy vs. a naked man (minus the dental floss and sock) throwing condoms :ymparty:

:-BD :-BD

[jonesde]

The only agenda that gays have in my experience is to be treated fairly.

George

That's why gay pride parades are as moral as any other parade. Not much difference in a fully clothed clown throwing candy vs. a naked man (minus the dental floss and sock) throwing condoms :ymparty:

You know this is a prejudice against a group, right? Do you appreciate it when people judge you because of a personal characteristic or group affiliation? When people find out you are Christian how do you feel when they call you a warmonger or a Muslim hater (or maybe you are... I guess I shouldn't assume)? When people find out you are Mormon how do you like being judged for acts of other Mormons, especially the less helpful ones like Mitt Romney or Harry Reid? Or, how do you like being judged for Mountain Meadows or by any of the hundreds of lies told about Mormons?

Such generalizations are not accurate and not helpful. Judge people by their actions, and don't assume that one act necessarily correlates with another, they often don't in spite of popular ignorance to the contrary. Yes, sex outside of marriage is a sin but that does not imply participation in, or even a desire to participate in, immoral public displays or efforts to morally corrupt others. With all of the immoral hostility and persecution of homosexuals, is it any surprise that some of them would do the same in return? And yet, it is certainly not all of them.

[shadow]

You know this is a prejudice against a group, right?

:ymsigh:
We can only judge good from evil- righteous judgments. Practicing gay or being pro gay is against the commandments of God. Not sure how you missed that one. The gay agenda is NOT simply to be treated fair, but to have the law and society accept their behavior- not even to just accept it but to validate it.

By the way, I have yet to see any significant number of pro gay rights people disapprove of the gay pride parades etc. and why would they? They're thinking is already flawed into believing that immorality should be acceptable.

[freedomforall]

You know this is a prejudice against a group, right?

:ymsigh:
We can only judge good from evil- righteous judgments. Practicing gay or being pro gay is against the commandments of God. Not sure how you missed that one. The gay agenda is NOT simply to be treated fair, but to have the law and society accept their behavior- not even to just accept it but to validate it.

By the way, I have yet to see any significant number of pro gay rights people disapprove of the gay pride parades etc. and why would they? They're thinking is already flawed into believing that immorality should be acceptable.

You got it.

[jonesde]

You know this is a prejudice against a group, right?

:ymsigh:
We can only judge good from evil- righteous judgments. Practicing gay or being pro gay is against the commandments of God. Not sure how you missed that one. The gay agenda is NOT simply to be treated fair, but to have the law and society accept their behavior- not even to just accept it but to validate it.

By the way, I have yet to see any significant number of pro gay rights people disapprove of the gay pride parades etc. and why would they? They're thinking is already flawed into believing that immorality should be acceptable.

You got it.

It's nice that you guys agree with and support each other, but it doesn't make it right.

I think I made it pretty it pretty clear that I agree that engaging in sexual activity with someone of the same gender is a sin. The doctrines are clear that sexual activity outside of marriage is a sin, and for the Church marriage is between people of the opposite gender for the purpose of having children.

And what are Christ's teachings about how we should interact with sinners?

Being "pro gay" is against the commandments of God? I'm not sure what you mean by "pro gay"... do you mean in favor of homosexual activity, or in favor of people who are homosexual? If it is the former, then my message was clear. If it is the latter then yes I an in favor of people who are homosexual... or in other words I try to follow the teaching of Christ to love my neighbor.

It's really that simple. If you feel hatred toward anyone, you might consider keeping it to yourself. That doesn't mean you need to take your kids to a pride parade, and I've never been to such an event, but I wouldn't agree with using violence to stop a pride parade that was generally peaceful and law-abiding, especially if it was outside of the community I live in. Interestingly I've never lived in a community where a pride parade happened (and yeah, there's a reason for that).

[George Alabaster]

The only agenda that gays have in my experience is to be treated fairly.

George

That's why gay pride parades are as moral as any other parade. Not much difference in a fully clothed clown throwing candy vs. a naked man (minus the dental floss and sock) throwing condoms :ymparty:

They are both moral. The difference is one leads to diabetes, but that has no bearing on their relative morality. Unless you can point out who is actually harmed by these behaviors?

George

[Benjamin Harrison]

I am of the opinion that a minimum IQ is needed to vote in this country. Not saying this girl is stupid, just misinformed. A product of our puplic shcool system no doubt. Her answers to the reasons she would vote for Obama are spewed out over and over again, and eventually, as GW Bush said, his job required that he repeated over and over again the lies they (the people) needed to accept as truths. (not verbatum). Can't say I am surprised that a student of BYU would say these things. They tend to invite a whole lot of liberals and globalists to speak there. Harry Reid was invited a while back and publicly ridiculed the church and it's leaders, and when someone hawked a big loogy on his picture which was advertising the event, that was all the school newspaper could talk about. The Founders had it right when only property owners could vote. Now I know that won't sit well with many of you that I said that, but it was the way that they figured the people would be able keep thier liberties more. Propety owners have something to lose. Today of course the right to vote is given to all, and the masses are generally uninformed, uneducated, or easily manipulated by the propganda machine that makes Goebbles's look like a little school boys.

[Fiannan]

Being kind to women? Check.

Does that include Libyan or Pakistani women getting their guts blown all over the countryside by Obama drones?

Being kind to other races? Check

Yep, Obama foreign policy kills no matter what your race is.
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Caring for the health of other people? Big check on that one.

Partial birth abortion...need I say more? OK I will...mandating a health policy to make sure everyone gets reduced care equally.


Ending wars? I think Jesus would like that... thou shall not kill...

Backing Islamic extremists who want to kill uppity women and religious minorities...real Jesus there.

Increasing the rights to marriage? I think Jesus would like that too.

Jesus loves gay marriage. ) Oh, a side note...why isn't Obama and his Igor (Harry Reid) defending polygamy?