Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?

[nariadni2]

maybe if the young men would get off there rearends the sisters wouldn't have to do their work for them

[Darren]

maybe if the young men would get off there rearends the sisters wouldn't have to do their work for them

I really like how the movie, "The RM" shows the difference between the dedication of the Relief Society Women, vs. the lack of dedication of the Elder's Quorum Men.

In the Nordic Model of an Inductively operated Society, the young men became Freemen when they joined their Guild, with the "Oath" required from that young man, to focus his mind on his calling. We as a society no longer introduce the concept of taking "The Oath," for the young men to enter society as Freemen. The Scout Oath does not obligate a young man to do his "calling." Lodges like the Masons or Elks still continue this Nordic Pratice, of joining by oath, to the body of the lodge, as also our civil servants also take oaths. In the temple we do have the Oath part, but it gets sidestepped by a culture that excuses it's lack of dedication because, "Surely the Lord only expects a 'tithing' amount of dedication?" Anciently Nordic Europe was dotted by hundreds of Law Culture Temples, called Hovs, or in Groves, where a young man would meet with his Yarl/Earl, to recite his, "Oath of a Freeman."

We need to learn from Joseph Smith's Culture, his family's Freeman Culture, how a society brings boys into manhood. Until then what do we have for the young men? How about they become a "Bachelor" in the University Culture?

God Bless,
Darren

[Alighieri]

How about you ask God what He think about His choice daughters serving Him in His work for 18 months? 18 months goes by really fast. I am thankful that the Prophet of God has received this direction to further the work of the Lord.

The Lord is hastening His work. Plain and simple.

[Darren]

For the young women, its really quite simple:

Good

Better

Best


God Bless,
Darren

[Darren]

Good news. The BIG missionary announcement tonight is, "Missionaries will be allowed to proselyted via the internet, facebook, etc., as the door to door method is less productive now." So lets just keep the sister missionaries home, keeping with a normal life, and have them proselytize via the internet, and send the elders to do their priesthood part.

God Bless,
Darren

[gkearney]

Good news. The BIG missionary announcement tonight is, "Missionaries will be allowed to proselyted via the internet, facebook, etc., as the door to door method is less productive now." So lets just keep the sister missionaries home, keeping with a normal life, and have them proselytize via the internet, and send the elders to do their priesthood part.

God Bless,
Darren

Darren;

I wouldn't bet on that happening if I were you. One question I had was if this move would mean that disabled young people could now serve missions?

[Darren]

What a great way to spend 18 months of a young woman's life, with an additional year in missionary preparation,

to hang around on facebook and other social media while swearing off men, and the traditional role of womanhood.

The Mormon Culture tells their young women that they should serve missions, to become more serviceable in the church, and better prepared for what life has to offer them.

In addition, according to The BIG Missionary Announcement, many Sister Missionaries will probably be assigned to be the Full-time Greeters for our mostly unoccupied ward buildings.

In the Catholic Culture marriage to the Lord becomes an illusion and a lure to young women, towards becoming the unmarried servants of the State.

God Bless,
Darren

[Darren]

Where is this going with the new missionary emphasis, and with the overwhelming numbers of sisters missionaries in the Church heading out for their service?

Sister missionaries will be doing what could be done by members, who do not have missionary restrictions placed upon them.

The increased emphasis on sisters serving missions will merge with the mandate to keep ward building open for tours, and sister missionaries will become staff to keep these buildings open to the public. Add to that the new directive to have sister missionaries sitting in offices, on-line doing social media contacting. Ward buildings will need to be modified and expanded to accommodate these activities, continuous operations and occupancy. Living space and housing to be setup on or nearby the ward building for the sister missionary "Church Staff."

With so many young men falling away from the Church and becoming unavailable for temple marriages, the Church may have to extend the 18 month missions for young women to 2 years or more.

It may even become fashionable in Mormon Culture to just have young women forswear marriage on a permanent basis, for a marriage to the Lord and Church Community.

A new culture for the church, keeping in fashion with the world.



God Bless,
Darren

[AussieOi]

Oh Darren these girls won make it to 18 months my friend.

Think it through. This is a Nordic yeoman's dream come true.

We are about to see tens of thousands of young 19 year old girls, spend time in chapels, unsupervised, alone, with 18 year old boys, working together with them, and the Lord, to achieve outcomes.

My friend. Nature will take care of this one for them.

Plus, plus, they will have prepared for LDS motherhood by cleaning toilets and vacuuming chapels.

Darren, these girls will all be married by 22.

We under thought this my friend.

It truly is inspired

[kathyn]

I can't see why anyone should discourage young women from serving. It's only 18 months and will be a great blessingto them. Most young women don't get married until their mid-20's anyway, so what's the problem?!? All of this grumbling about the decisions of the church leaders is so tiresome. Don't you think they consulted with the Lord first? I do, and he said "yes" or else He was the One to institute it in the first place. So let it alone. It's not a question of either/or. It's that these sisters can now do both. And more power to them. My son-in-law joined the church because of sister missionaries. The elders weren't able to do that, so I bless them (the sisters) for their service. Now my daughter has a forever sealing. And so does my young grandson.

[gkearney]

Darren really has perfected the art of hyperbole from 18 months to nuns that's quite a leap.

[AussieOi]

Ah yes, the infallibility of our leaders

Am I permitted to say no, they didn't, and I believe it is a mistake?

They waited over 130 years to get around to asking the Lord about blacks holding the priesthood. There is a precedence there to not actually asking God.

[Melissa]

Oh Darren these girls won make it to 18 months my friend.

Think it through. This is a Nordic yeoman's dream come true.

We are about to see tens of thousands of young 19 year old girls, spend time in chapels, unsupervised, alone, with 18 year old boys, working together with them, and the Lord, to achieve outcomes.

My friend. Nature will take care of this one for them.

Plus, plus, they will have prepared for LDS motherhood by cleaning toilets and vacuuming chapels.

Darren, these girls will all be married by 22.

We under thought this my friend.

It truly is inspired

This is a very interesting thought Aussie! The leaders have many times told the young people to get married and stop putting it off. You get these male and female missionaries "connecting" with their common goal and they will see the best in each other. Young women are suckers for missionaries anyway! Then you have young women who can (not teenagers) get married, they will connect and then reconnect after their missions. Their marriage might actually be stronger too! Talk about some great early memories that would come in handy during their first fights in marriage.

A man really should not be threatened by a woman who serves as long as she has a good heart and desires to be a WOMAN!

[karend77]

Hey Folks-

The missionaries arent going to be on the computer all day, but for an hour or two in the mornings when going tracting is the least productive. They will be emailing members, setting appointments, answering questions from investigators, members and less actives. Second, the computers are located in the family history centers where there are family history consultants serving and they wont be alone. I dont think there will be any higher percentage of them going home early than already do. Next, the girls arent getting married at 18 anyway so serving a mission is a wonderful way to serve the Lord and get their spiritual priorities in order before having work or college influencing them in wordly ways permanently.

Some people need to step back from role playing Chicken Little here - a "confirmed pessimist, particularly one who warns of impending disaster."(folk tale analogy is showing my 20+ years in Primary coming out).

I also thought of those crying down from the Rameumpton, ......... O:-) as I am tiring of those crying wow, woe. The Church did not fall apart when Joseph was martyred, nor when polygamy ceased, nor when the blacks were given the preisthood, nor when we went to the 3 hour block on Sundays....give the missionary program a chance, help in this effort to spread the Good Word of Christ, instead of standing on the sidelines pointing. B-)

edit- I also want to add the computer thing is being rolled out mission by mission, and it could be some missions will have very little computer time, as well as some missionaries might have little computer time, if they cant handle it

[AussieOi]

So the ipads they will all be given will be stored in the FHCentres?

And they will only come to the chapel when a FHConsultant is there.

Interesting.

Maybe they Will also do extraction missions as well?

[Darren]

Plus, plus, they will have prepared for LDS motherhood by cleaning toilets and vacuuming chapels.

I had not thought of what a brilliant idea this is, to have the sister missionaries making sure our buildings are clean and presentable. If you marry the Lord, you get to clean his house.

God Bless,
Darren

[AussieOi]

They can also reheat the preparated meals they throw together for Zone conferences!

Think of the time the relief society sisters will save, that they can now spend finding friends on facebook.

The flow on effect is endless

[dman]

Ah yes, the infallibility of our leaders

Am I permitted to say no, they didn't, and I believe it is a mistake?

They waited over 130 years to get around to asking the Lord about blacks holding the priesthood. There is a precedence there to not actually asking God.

I doubt that Spencer w kimball was the first prophet to ever take the question about blacks and the priesthood to God. I am sure that many did before him. It just wasn't the right time then.

[Melissa]

Plus, plus, they will have prepared for LDS motherhood by cleaning toilets and vacuuming chapels.

I had not thought of what a brilliant idea this is, to have the sister missionaries making sure our buildings are clean and presentable. If you marry the Lord, you get to clean his house.

God Bless,
Darren

Darren, we are all supposed to be "married" to the Lord. Therefore, we all clean the building. Sister missionaries clean chapels, what a waste when members already do it.

Darren, I do hope you help your wife with the vacuuming and bathrooms at home

[AussieOi]

Ah yes, the infallibility of our leaders

Am I permitted to say no, they didn't, and I believe it is a mistake?

They waited over 130 years to get around to asking the Lord about blacks holding the priesthood. There is a precedence there to not actually asking God.

I doubt that Spencer w kimball was the first prophet to ever take the question about blacks and the priesthood to God. I am sure that many did before him. It just wasn't the right time then.

Ummm, you might want to rethink your incorrect belief as to whether any LDS leaders actually did ask god.

They didn't. They said as much

[dman]

So Harold b lee never asked? Joseph fielding smith never asked, David O McKay?

[AussieOi]

Welcome to prophets, seers and revelators

No, they didn't

[dman]

What proof do you have that they didn't?

[Darren]

Darren really has perfected the art of hyperbole from 18 months to nuns that's quite a leap.

It was not my idea. I'm just showing you where they are taking us.

http://ashatt13.blogspot.com/2009/01/im ... n-nun.html
Im Becoming a Mormon Nun!
Its true. Nuns dont have to worry about Men. isnt it sad how much they really control your life? hmm. interesting thought. As headstrong, and independant i am.. im just so sick of things not going my way. is that a sin? oops, and im becoming a nun?

http://thefaithfuldissident.blogspot.co ... n-nun.html
Becoming The First Mormon Nun
That's what I remember only half-jokingly telling my mother I wanted to do back when I was about 17 or 18. I was seriously heartbroken over a Baptist friend who didn't want to get involved because I was a Mormon. I was through with men and pretty sure at the time that I would become an old maid.
Back in the days when I wanted to become a Mormon nun, I was definitely more pious and conservative than I am now. I was probably more concerned about rules and following them, than about the reasons behind them.
One of the reasons that I found a nun's life so appealing (and in a way still do) was that I felt that a person who takes that route and is able to dedicate their life completelely (Mother Teresa being the best example I can think of) to a cause that Christ would undoubtedly approve of, would be guaranteed a one-way first class ticket to Heaven. Basically, a huge sacrifice resulting in an even bigger reward. Mother Teresa gave up a happy and comfortable life with a family that she loved in order to travel abroad by boat at age 18 to become a missionary, and then a nun, to places that she probably knew very little about.

Zelph said...
We already have Mormon nuns, they are called sister missionaries.

http://sisterbrittanyadaniels.blogspot.com/
Mormon Nun
This is going to be my blog about my life in the Pennsylvania Philadelphia Mission! The title comes from the fact that I always wanted to be a nun but I'm Mormon. Well being a sister missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints accomplishes my lifelong ambition!

http://www.ldsmag.com/1/article/7670
Missionary Moment: The Nun Who was Raised a Mormon
She had been baptized and raised as a Latter Day Saint.
After a couple of years the nuns eventually invited her to join their order and she became a trainee, then eventually took out her vows of poverty.

http://www.sltrib.com/features/ci_13358898
Carmelite nun traces path from LDS faith
How that good little Mormon girl from Sugar House came to be Sister Mary Joseph, a Catholic -- and a nun, no less -- is a story she tells with relish.

http://mormon-blogs.com/2008/09/22/sist ... ormon-nun/
Sister Sara Elizabeth Glory: The Mormon Nun
A blog I am mantaining for my sister and her life as a Mormon Missionary (Nun), in the Illinois Chicago North Mission.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7656 ... tml?pg=all
Woman who had lived lesbian lifestyle brings hope to Mormons with same-sex attraction through LDS Church's new website
"I was prepared to be celibate for the rest of my life," she said. "I made up my mind that I was going to be a Mormon nun, and I was OK with that. To be honest, at that point in my life celibacy seemed better than being married to a man for the rest of my life, much less eternity."

Stay tuned for "Mormon Nuns" coming to you as a Neo-Mormon Culture movement. Move away from one culture and embrace another.

God Bless,
Darren

[gkearney]

So Harold b lee never asked? Joseph fielding smith never asked, David O McKay?

In David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism by Gregory A Prince ISBN: 978-0874808223 (see we librarians are good for something) the author outlines President's McKay's efforts to lift the ban in the 1950s and 1960s. According to that text he felt that such a change needed only to be done by a change in policy alone. Other members of the 12 disagreed with this and so the priesthood ban remained in place until 1978.

President McKay did however remove the ban by means of a policy change in 1958 when all black Melanesians (Fijians) were given the priesthood (blacks in the Philippines even earlier). So it is not fair to suggest that President McKay never considered the issue.

An interesting side note to all of this is that the ban was never applied to Aboriginal Australian despite their pigmentation which is clearly "black".