Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?

[gkearney]

"You may choose not to go"

Well that's true of everyone isn't it both boys and girls, young and old.

[AussieOi]

Dude. Come on.

You understand grammar and (LDS) religious context better than that.

[gkearney]

I understand that young men are sometimes expected to go on missions but they still have a choice. My ward has had several who went into the military rather than on missions. The ones with the hardest situation are those who want to go but are not able to do so due to medical conditions theirs in not a happy lot in life.

[Darren]

How far have we strayed from our conservative roots?

Anglo/Saxon women were not only equal to men before the law, they were honored and revered by men. A women of the Anglo/Saxon tribes had equal rights to land and before the court was able to defend those rights.

Women were seen as oracles, were consulted because of their insights and possessed healing powers. Powers that rival the priesthood for the men and are inherent for women.

Being held in such high esteme by men a woman would never be without a guardian. Her father as her guardian until he gave away the bride and then her husband would guard her womanhood, and without either a father or husband then the Church had special charge over her safety and security.

In the Sagas, Odin gave specific instructions to the men, "... if you will bring your women to my Temple and there both give me your eye, as I have given my eye to my Father, then I will show you how to live together and give life together in a state purer than you knew when you were little children, for then you will be Wed; and that is my name. Then you will live together in my Law: Wed-lock." Odin gave special charge over the women of the Patriarchal Law Culture.

Odin set up the Yeomenry/Young-Men-ry Oath wherein all adult males took an oath to put themselves between danger and women/children.

The roles of men were always in support of the roles of women, bringing safety and security to the environment of the home.

Women and Men have unequal roles, in a division of labor, for the true purpose of saving mankind.

To alter the roles of Men and Women is to go against the will of God.

God Bless,
Darren

[Elizabeth]

Darren, Could you elaborate on your meaning here... Is there a specific group you refer to as your "camp" ?

...For me and a few people in my camp, it is all about being the best examples we can be, of such things, for the time being.

God Bless,
Darren

[Darren]

Darren, Could you elaborate on your meaning here... Is there a specific group you refer to as your "camp" ?

...For me and a few people in my camp, it is all about being the best examples we can be, of such things, for the time being.

God Bless,
Darren

As an apostle President David O. McKay served as the President over the European Mission based in London, England. His time in London exposed him to some cultural truths that had continued for millenniums there in London. Later, after becoming President of the Church President McKay became frustrated and angry over the sliding away from those cultural truths that the Church had been doing. President McKay called to his office Elder Benson and Cleon Skousen to give them assignments to try to reverse this tide of cultural decay.

So, the people in my camp are the ones that still believe in the cultural superiority imbedded of our traditional Freeman Culture. Of such I have found a few people who understand these things and I know them fairly well. The Church as a whole is oblivious to the cultural link as understood by President McKay, Cleon Skousen and a few of us.

I would prefer that we did not get the Cleansing for the loss of culture that President McKay worried about, and I am trying my hardest to get some attention to these things.

I believe that we need to recapture the essence of the Scriptures of the lost tribes of Israel, the culture of the Anglo/Saxon race, to save our constitution and to understand the true way to live and work together, as the basis for Zion.

Sisters serving missions and forgoing marriage is just one of many issues that are examples of a decaying culture.

God Bless,
Darren

[gkearney]

Darrin

I am still lost as to how you can say that these sisters are forgoing marriage to serve a mission. It's not as if there are lines of young LDS young men standing in line to marry these girls.

[Darren]

Darrin

I am still lost as to how you can say that these sisters are forgoing marriage to serve a mission. It's not as if there are lines of young LDS young men standing in line to marry these girls.

As you put it so well, the problem is not just with the girls, and with the boys, or with the 18 month missions. The problem lies with all of us in a decaying, failing culture. And for that we all get The Cleansing.

The boys no longer have the Freeman Culture to grow up in, the girls have little understanding of the roll of traditional womanhood, and the adults are an up and coming breed of Babylon Culture.

The Free Enterprise System stems from the Oath, beginning with a personal commitment to guide one's mind and behavior down virtue's path. How will the youth know the path without a guide? The saying goes, "It takes a community to raise a child," and so it is with Zion. Each element of the community is organized to establish the ways of the Lord in behalf of the life of all mankind.

I'm not trying to stop the young women from serving a mission as a choice, I am trying to help the adults provide the best choices for our youth, in the community of Zion.

God Bless,
Darren

[Darren]

I watched my grandmother decry the giving of black members the priesthood. I sat in the temple as a man laughed at each edit that shortened the endowment. I have seen first hand when prophetic change was rejected by individual members.

I have also seen open rebellion as the gay and lesbian community plotted their course froward, to overcome the oppression of their church leadership.

And now I am witnessing a rebellion from the feminist movement, with the decimation of the divine roles for women.

"I’m a Mormon Feminist because ..."
http://mormonfeminist.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Katy Edinburgh
I’m a Mormon feminist because not every little girl grows up to be a wife and mother … and that’s okay. There is more than one happy ending!

Malissa.
I’m a Mormon feminist because the patriarchal culture often practiced in the church is harmful to women, men and families and perpetuates a notion that women are not truly equal to men.

I’m a Mormon feminist because I believe that if women (like myself) want to pursue things other than marriage and motherhood, they should be able to do so without being made to feel guilty and without being told they want the wrong things.

Katie
I think we could do better in preparing young women to be well-rounded members of society, instead of focusing so much on being a wife and mother.

Stephen
I’m a Mormon feminist because gender conventions, roles, and expectations hurt everybody.
Thank God that humanity is learning to let people be who they are. We are learning to accept the sodomy of the Wildes and the impiety of the Socrates-es.

Rachael
I remember sitting in Young Women activities that were about planning our weddings (I kid you not) and instead planning my education and career.
I remember being hurt when I was told that girls need to focus on getting married and having children when my brothers were told to seek higher education and focus on their careers.
I knelt down and asked sincerely if I, as a woman, was meant to be less, was meant to come second, was meant to be held back.

I’m a Mormon feminist because there is more than one way to be a good Mormon woman.

Nancy
Church teachings often emphasize the importance of gender roles. This is hard for many women who feel that they cannot be perfect stay-at-home-mothers. Traditional gender roles can also be hard for men who feel that they do not fit into macho norms.

Analisa
I’m a Mormon feminist because God has blessed me with the ability to both nurture and provide for my family.

Julie
Both logically and doctrinally, men and women are equal in God’s eyes. Unfortunately, in the church’s everyday dealings, in its structure, and perhaps most especially in church culture, this equality is not demonstrated. As Mormon feminist, I want to change that. And because I wholeheartedly believe in a God that sees me as equal to His sons, I believe that it is not God holding these changes back, but largely a mentality of tradition held onto by churchgoers. It is my desire to work with—not against—the church and its leaders to see these changes to fruition.
We simply cannot understand why the doctrines of Christ—where men and women are equal in the sight of God—are often not played out in the structure and culture of the church as an institution.

Elisabeth
In church I would constantly be receiving lessons on being a good homemaker, cooking, being modest and etc. and all through these lessons I would think to myself of how I wanted to be a doctor or an engineer. When my brothers would come home from their lessons talking of how they were encouraged to become strong men that support families, that they should focus on education and preparing themselves for missions it made me feel like I was receiving less.
I have noticed more and more the difference of the treatment between men and women in society and I am constantly thinking of how to improve things, especially in my own life and church.

Hannah
I’m a Mormon feminist because when I read that God told Eve that “[Adam] shall rule over thee” I had to ask if He thought I was lesser. I know I am equal.

Lindsay
Patriarchal societies hurt men too. They tell men that they are flawed and not in control of their own thoughts or actions. They tell them they are not naturally nurturing. They tell them that to be a man means to fit certain stereotypical masculine identities that don’t give a whole lot of room for diversity. I love men and think they deserve better, which is why I am a feminist.

Emilee
I finished college and grad school without marrying. My mission experience was a difficult and abusive experience and not “the best two years (18 months) of my life.” And I’ve always felt like an outsider in a church that focuses on family.
My experiences taught me a very personal and valuable lesson: God’s children are all different and unique. There is not a single role that fits all of us. My role isn’t wife and mother. I’ll never be a homemaker. I’ve come to learn that God gave me my own role to fulfill a very personal plan for my life. I believe He loves diversity and expects us to live a fulfilling life that only we, through a lot of prayer and self-discovery, can find for ourselves. I believe that all of God’s children are equal and that the cause of equality is pleasing to our Heavenly Parents. That is why I’m a Mormon feminist.
I never fit in in my traditional Mormon ward growing up. I didn’t like Young Women’s activities, I purposely chose not to attend a church-owned school, I was uncomfortable in singles wards, and I found that I didn’t follow a conservative approach to life. Plus, I’ve always believed that people were different, that there was no such thing as gender roles

Jennifer
I’m a Mormon Feminist because tradition doesn’t equal doctrine.

Maggie
I’m a Mormon Feminist because we’re not all mothers and I’ve got important work to do outside of the home.

A failing Culture. Sisters serving missions and forgoing marriage is a symptom of our culture's failing.

God Bless,
Darren

[AussieOi]

As a corollary, if a man is more than his sperm, why can't a woman be more than her womb?
I understand you.
I just wonder if you understate the role of fathers, and mothers.
women are more than just vessels for child rearing.
I strongly disagree with sisters and missions.
But I understand where these fmh's come from.
I'm a male supremist ans even I find it nauseous how chauvinistic males treat our sisters, and totally deposed them in every way.

[Darren]

Why not teach young women to put first priority their own craft of womanhood, role of wife and mother and that while doing so, or preparing to do so, they can still make significant contributions to the missionary effort. I.e., from my experience women spend much more time engaged in on-line social networking than men, what a great way to work from home in the missionary effort, instead of hanging around a visitor center handing out pamphlets, and swearing off men for 18 months plus.

This Neo-Mormon Culture is becoming more Catholic/Orthodox as it progresses. True Original Church Culture is the Patriarchal Law Culture that was driven into the wilderness (D&C 86:3) of Joseph Smith's Ancestral Patriarchal Heritage, as the Patriarchal Line continued to his father then to Hyrum from their Ephraim lost tribes of Israel ancestors (D&C 86:8-11), that lived in that true culture on the Island of Fyn.

God Bless,
Darren

[AussieOi]

That I agree.

[Darren]

A failing Culture. Sisters serving missions and forgoing marriage is a symptom of our failing culture.

http://ordainwomen.org/

Cami
When I turned 19, I wrote to then-Elder Monson, pleading with him to lower the age for female missionaries. I still have the sweet letter he wrote back to me, applauding my enthusiasm.
I believe we are approaching the true priesthood order, in which the heavens are governed by woman and man–namely, by Heavenly Mother and Father. I love my heritage. I love the Mormon church. I love the gospel. And I believe women should be ordained.

Nadine
Short of ordaining women to the priesthood, there are some things that I think the Church should begin doing right now to empower women.
Mormon leaders recently took a step in the right direction when they lowered the age for women to become missionaries, greatly increasing the number of women serving missions. Then they announced the formation of leadership councils in the mission field, which will offer women a more prominent role than they have had before.
Leadership councils in the mission field should serve as a model for expanding women’s roles in local, regional, and general Church governance. That change could take place right now by simple administrative action, assigning women to advisory positions that would require them to meet with the male leaders who make decisions, thus allowing for more women’s input into those decisions. The Church could gradually expand the reach of those advisory positions to give women increasing authority and responsibility.
At the same time, the Church could increase women’s roles in the spiritual aspects of what are now considered exclusively priesthood practices. For example, women could give blessings (including mothers’ blessings to their children), administer to the sick, act as official witnesses to priesthood ordinances like baptisms and sealings, stand in the circles when babies are blessed, and pass the sacrament (beginning at age 12). All of these practices either have rich precedents in Mormon history or at least have no doctrinal prohibitions, only policy prohibitions.
These kinds of changes will put women in the forefront of involvement in the same leadership tasks that men undertake. Once that happens, it simply won’t make sense anymore to deny them ordination to the priesthood. It won’t even be much of a shift.

Rick
I think that we took a major step toward making female ordination attainable with the lowering of the mission age for women. I fully believe that women should be ordained.

Andria
I think the Church itself would benefit from ordaining women to the priesthood. As leaders, women would bring new ideas and insights because we have unique experiences and perspectives. Visiting teaching relationships would be more meaningful because women would be able to administer blessings to each other, rather than calling on home teachers. Sister missionaries would be able to take on more of the workload within their missions, which would be particularly helpful if they are in an area that has few priesthood-holding men. Women in families without priesthood-holding men around would be able to give healing blessings to family members, give baby blessings, and perform ordinances like baptisms.
I believe it would be a blessing to families and stakes everywhere to ordain Mormon women to the priesthood.

Jim
I’m a Mormon. I have been a bishop in the Church. Women should hold the priesthood.
I think there are two primary reasons why women should be ordained. The first is equality for women that will elevate their standing personally, in the Church, and in society. The second is the worldwide opportunity we have to immediately double our priesthood power to act in the name of Jesus Christ and to do what He would do if He were here. Priesthood isn’t about gender. It never has been. Holding the priesthood is about building the kingdom of God here on earth.

Jason
Men are slowly learning in the Church that it is permissible and important for them to be nurturers and caregivers for their children, so women are slowly taking on more positions of leadership and authority. I am confident that this trend, though at times agonizingly slow, will ultimately culminate in the ordination of women.

Laurie
As a childless woman in the Church, it pains me to hear that the equivalent of the priesthood is motherhood–something I will not experience. Many of my strengths lie outside of the prescribed roles for women in the Church. I have never really understood why certain roles are assigned to men and women purely on the basis of biology. I don’t think anyone is really that simple.
I believe in continuing revelation, and I believe there is more the women of the Church can do to help strengthen the stakes of Zion. I believe in the gospel, and Mormonism is my home. I am a faithful Mormon woman, and I believe women should be ordained.

Sarah
I would ask the leaders of the church to consider allowing women to be ordained and exercise priesthood duties because I want my life and family to look more like the pattern we see in the temple.

Christy
My support for female ordination comes from my firm belief that in addition to women having increased opportunities to serve their families and wards and to grow spiritually, the Church will benefit tremendously from having the unique perspective of women in official capacities. In short, I believe women should be ordained.

Rebecca
Since I was young, I’ve struggled with gender inequality in the Church. I distinctly remember the first time it occurred to me that I was not equal to Mormon males: I was 13 years old and was sitting in the chapel watching the boys pass the sacrament. I stared at one boy in particular and wondered what was so special about him. Why did he get to pass the sacrament and I didn’t? I was embarrassed to sit quietly and take the sacrament from boys who were my age—boys I saw everyday in school. They were my peers outside of church, but in church they always had more responsibility than I did. I found this unfair and hard to deal with throughout high school as I watched my male peers advance through the ranks of the priesthood and leave on missions. If I was taught to respect the priesthood as the power of God, then wouldn’t it make sense that I wanted to have it, too?

Thom
I support female ordination because when my daughters ask why boys have the priesthood and girls don’t, I have no good answers. Some people will tell them that girls grow up to be mothers and boys grow up to be priesthood holders, but that’s not true. Some girls never grow up to be mothers; no boys grow up to be only fathers. All God’s children grow up to be what their opportunities and spiritual gifts allow, and no child of God grows up to be one thing only—a category, a statistic.

Kirsten
Recently, however, my nine-year-old daughter asked me why girls don’t get to hold the priesthood, and I could not come up with a satisfying reason. I didn’t know what to tell her. Most members say that women have motherhood instead of the priesthood, but I didn’t tell her that. I’ve never felt that motherhood is the equivalent of the priesthood. I believe that idea ignores and belittles the importance of fatherhood. Also, not all women have the chance to be mothers, but all worthy men have the chance to be ordained.

Emily
I believe that part of God’s goodness is the authority and power to act in His name, and that both males and females should be able to partake of this goodness by leading, blessing, healing and serving others through the priesthood.
I don’t personally have a strong desire to hold the priesthood, but I have never heard a justification for why women do not hold the priesthood that makes sense to both my mind and my heart. I pray for a day when the priesthood will be given to members based on their desire and worthiness and not their body parts.

Amy-Kate
I have struggled with the gender inequality that I feel exists in the LDS Church, and I have spent many an hour on my knees begging God to let me understand why the patriarchal structure exists in the church. I strongly believe that women are equal in every way to men, and I do not believe that God wants his daughters to be disenfranchised from fully participating in their faith and all that that entails – performing blessings, holding leadership callings, and fully realizing our potential as daughters of God.
I believe wholeheartedly that women should be ordained.

Margaret
The Church cannot fulfill its divine mission until it ordains women and includes them in all the priesthood quorums of the Church.

Marina
Mormonism is an inextricable part of my identity. However, I am dismayed that our church does not take full advantage of all of the talents that each member of our church, male and female, has to offer because it restricts priesthood authority and the positions that require it to men. The motherhood-priesthood dichotomy is, to me, a false one, and I sometimes cringe at our brand of “benevolent sexism” that exaggerates differences between men and women and attempts to compensate for inequality by putting women on spiritual pedestals.

Chantri
The Priesthood is a tool God has given us to bless each other. And women have just as much to give as men do. I dream of a day when I can serve the Lord and help his children without my gender putting limits on my contributions and that is why I believe women should be ordained.

Tim
Through experience and study, it has become clear to me that denying women the institutional spiritual authority inherent in the priesthood denies them a meaningful spiritual path towards divine progression.

Sherrie
The church seeks to be an international church that is equal and enlightening to all who seek Christ. Female ordination is just one small step towards this end.

Dayna
I currently serve in the Young Women’s program in my ward.
I have two small daughters. About a year ago, one of them leaned over and whispered to me during sacrament meeting, “Mommy, why are only boys passing the sacrament?” I struggled to answer her.
I fear that my daughters may be internalizing a message of inequality when they attend church. I would love for them to see women and girls blessing and passing the sacrament, mothers blessing their babies, and women sitting on the stand and conducting meetings. I want my girls to realize their vital potential, and that is why I believe women should be ordained.

Liz
I believe that women’s opinions should have as much value as men’s in the Church and that women should have decision-making power both in overall Church administration and in individual organizations. But since all decisions are made by priesthood holders, women are left having to ask permission for everything they do and hope their suggestions are taken seriously by male leaders. If women held the priesthood, it would give them the ability to be heard and to make decisions they have the right and responsibility to make.
I’m a Mormon, and I believe that women should be ordained.

Mark
As long as women lack institutional authority within Mormonism, they will be in the position of begging men for scraps from the table. In the Mormon church, priesthood is power.

Alexandra
I believe we, as a church, only have as much light as we are prepared to receive, and right now that light doesn’t include women’s eternal role as priesthood holders.
I know, through personal witness, that the women in the Church are an untapped resource and that our Heavenly Parents are so excited for the day that women can be ordained as the priestesses we have been anointed to become. Because I believe in Heavenly Parents who love their children equally, I believe women should be ordained.

True Culture is the culture practically nobody thinks about any more. The False Culture is the culture of Western Civilization given to us from the hands of Aristotle, he called it the Katholic/Government/Orthodox Culture. And as members of the Church we have done a very good job of adopting the False Culture. Every University (Including BYU) stands as a testimony of our acceptance of Orthodox Culture, and every time we have our children put on the "Robes of a False Priesthood" we are perpetuating this Falsehood. The True Culture is imbedded in our lives and institutions, and yet we cannot see it clearly, this is one of the purposes of the Scriptures of the lost tribes of Israel, to get us to find True Culture, before it is too late for some of us. And now comes The Cleansing.

God Bless,
Darren

[SouthernMormon]

Honestly, I am skeptical that Aristotle had much influence on Mormon feminism! However, I do think there was one comment by a young woman that was very telling.

Rebecca
Since I was young, I’ve struggled with gender inequality in the Church. I distinctly remember the first time it occurred to me that I was not equal to Mormon males: I was 13 years old and was sitting in the chapel watching the boys pass the sacrament. I stared at one boy in particular and wondered what was so special about him. Why did he get to pass the sacrament and I didn’t? [Key part here] I was embarrassed to sit quietly and take the sacrament from boys who were my age—boys I saw everyday in school. They were my peers outside of church, but in church they always had more responsibility than I did. I found this unfair and hard to deal with throughout high school as I watched my male peers advance through the ranks of the priesthood and leave on missions. If I was taught to respect the priesthood as the power of God, then wouldn’t it make sense that I wanted to have it, too?

Girls are growing up with 2 different messages (1) Feminism - everywhere (almost) outside the Church, it reigns (2) Quasi-patriarchy in the Church. They then become confused, because they spend more time outside Church then in Church. So I think it is necessary to address the concerns of many of the young women. I do not think most women are feminists - but a good number are, and it is understandable because the reasoning in the Church is so different from outside the Church.

[Darren]

Good Points.

Honestly, I am skeptical that Aristotle had much influence on Mormon feminism! However, I do think there was one comment by a young woman that was very telling.

Aristotle is the key figure and advocate in the perpetuation of the University/Government/Catholic culture, first set-up in Babel, that we find in Western Civilization. The Free Enterprise System, and Freeman Culture is the True Culture, and that comes from the Church Culture of the Nordic, lost tribes of Israel.

Send your daughters to the University to get what Hugh Nibley said is, "the Black Robes of a False Priesthood," this is the Catholic Culture of Aristotle, bringing Mormon Culture to the Cleansing and suffering the young sisters to forgo their true callings.

Apprenticeships for the youth is the Lord's Way, there is no such thing as, "The Lord's University." And there will be no University in the New Jerusalem.

We need to learn True Culture and the lexicon of Zion from our Saxon Ancestors, before it is too late for some of us.

Girls are growing up with 2 different messages (1) Feminism - everywhere (almost) outside the Church, it reigns (2) Quasi-patriarchy in the Church. They then become confused, because they spend more time outside Church then in Church. So I think it is necessary to address the concerns of many of the young women. I do not think most women are feminists - but a good number are, and it is understandable because the reasoning in the Church is so different from outside the Church.

We need to ramp-up our "peculiar people" status, instead of falling for the traps of Babylon.

God Bless,
Darren

[natasha]

Perhaps this would be a good time to insert Brother Nibley's explanation of his "black robes" comment. Following is a great talk where he explained what he meant:

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[Darren]

Perhaps this would be a good time to insert Brother Nibley's explanation of his "black robes" comment. Following is a great talk where he explained what he meant:

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publica ... ts/?id=125" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I studied this talk together with my friend who was one of Hugh Nibley's students from the mid to late 50's. And my friend talked about the personal talks he had back and forth with Brother Nibley, that my friend said lead to Brother Nibley saying those things in his earlier BYU graduation prayer in 1960, and according to my friend the original prayer actually used these words, as my friend remembers them at that graduation, "We have met here today clothed in the black robes of Satan's Priesthood." and perhaps his version of that prayer being what it was as remembered through his talks with Brother Nibley.

Brother Nibley was working with my friend to discuss aspects of Ancient Greek Orthodox Culture, as they both understood from the original Greek Language. And my fiend's Phd Thesis Paper dealt with that subject.

As a result I have come into some first hand perspective on that talk by Hugh Nibley.

University Culture is the Culture of Management. Apprenticeship Culture is the Culture of Leaders.

God Bless,
Darren

[gkearney]

Daren

I have raised this issue before with you but as yet have not seen a response. You place a great deal of your focus on Nordic culture and tradition. While at one time the membership of our church shared that culture that time is now long past. With each passing year fewer and fewer members share such a cultural background. Already the majority of the membership live in nations with no such cultural connection. When you make statement such as Nordic culture being the "true culture" how are those who have no connection to that culture expected to response? If the church were to follow your example and focus on the culture as you suggest what would the reaction of the majority of the members be? How do you feel about being in a church whose demographic, with each passing year, slips farther away from your beloved Nordic origins?

[Darren]

When you make statement such as Nordic culture being the "true culture" how are those who have no connection to that culture expected to response?

It appears that LDS people in general have no interest in breaking out of worldly trends and norms and are influenced and preoccupied by material considerations. Although having minimal expectations I feel that it is a personal challenge to share my perspective on Ancient Saxon Culture as a basis of True Culture.

A corollary effort would be Cleon Skousen's work at the Freeman Institute to produce Freeman Culture. The work eventually degenerated into a study of the U.S. Constitution, and from the same Freeman information a few wild Freeman Groups establishing the notorious Township Movement, which pitted groups of self proclaimed township people against the Government.

President David O. McKay had different results in mind for Cleon Skousen's efforts, but despite those efforts LDS Freeman Institute Members turned their Freeman Institute into a power-grabbing mishmash, and an abandonment of the Freeman Institute's mission.

If the church were to follow your example and focus on the culture as you suggest what would the reaction of the majority of the members be?

The realization of True Culture will be when the lost tribes of Israel are found to have returned, their Scriptures presented and accepted, resulting in the establishment of Zion upon these True Culture principles. The Cleansing will take care of those who have fought for Babylon Culture.

How do you feel about being in a church whose demographic, with each passing year, slips farther away from your beloved Nordic origins?

Sadness. For they are meriting The Cleansing, for their abandonment of the Constitution, a Nordic Culture Incorporation Document.

Sisters serving missions and forgoing marriage is just one of many symptoms of a loss of True Culture and the progression towards the False Culture of the Apostate.

God Bless,
Darren

[Alighieri]

I have many female friends who have chosen to sever missions now and are on missions. Many of them have told me that they were inspired to go. I have trusted in their own inspiration, and promises in their patriarchal blessings.

You think a mission would prepare them better for being wives and mothers?

[Darren]

I have many female friends who have chosen to sever missions now and are on missions. Many of them have told me that they were inspired to go. I have trusted in their own inspiration, and promises in their patriarchal blessings.

You think a mission would prepare them better for being wives and mothers?

There are many good reasons for young women to go on missions, and praying to go will bring inspiration and confirmation. And it is a choice available for them. Although the Church has made it very clear that a mission for young women is only an option, and has never suggested that it is the highest or best choice for young women or that serving a mission makes for a better woman in the church.

Then we bring into play an evolving Mormon Culture that has slipped into Babylon Culture to the point that Mormons have been embracing the notion that the traditional role of women is not in fashion or a favorable calling for young women anymore.

For young sisters, it is a good, better, best series of options, without much exposure to the best option that may have been available from a missing traditional womanhood culture. And a good feeling with inspiration to come for all of these choices. A failing Culture that will promote good, and then fails to adequately promote or leaves out the better or the best. It takes preparation, line upon line, from traditional womanhood to get inspiration to come about the best option.

God Bless,
Darren

[AussieOi]

What would have Joseph smith and the early members have thought about sending their 19 year old daughters off on missions?

Do you reckon Jesus send young girls out?

End thread.

Its just to boost the numbers and preserve members from falling away.

[gkearney]

When you make statement such as Nordic culture being the "true culture" how are those who have no connection to that culture expected to response?

It appears that LDS people in general have no interest in breaking out of worldly trends and norms and are influenced and preoccupied by material considerations. Although having minimal expectations I feel that it is a personal challenge to share my perspective on Ancient Saxon Culture as a basis of True Culture.

A corollary effort would be Cleon Skousen's work at the Freeman Institute to produce Freeman Culture. The work eventually degenerated into a study of the U.S. Constitution, and from the same Freeman information a few wild Freeman Groups establishing the notorious Township Movement, which pitted groups of self proclaimed township people against the Government.

President David O. McKay had different results in mind for Cleon Skousen's efforts, but despite those efforts LDS Freeman Institute Members turned their Freeman Institute into a power-grabbing mishmash, and an abandonment of the Freeman Institute's mission.

If the church were to follow your example and focus on the culture as you suggest what would the reaction of the majority of the members be?

The realization of True Culture will be when the lost tribes of Israel are found to have returned, their Scriptures presented and accepted, resulting in the establishment of Zion upon these True Culture principles. The Cleansing will take care of those who have fought for Babylon Culture.

How do you feel about being in a church whose demographic, with each passing year, slips farther away from your beloved Nordic origins?

Sadness. For they are meriting The Cleansing, for their abandonment of the Constitution, a Nordic Culture Incorporation Document.

Sisters serving missions and forgoing marriage is just one of many symptoms of a loss of True Culture and the progression towards the False Culture of the Apostate.

God Bless,
Darren

Darren

I find this post troubling. You would seem to be suggesting that persons of cultures not of the north germanic origins are unworthy of the godspel. That by doing missionary work among such cultures we are bringing the wrath of God upon us. I hope I am somehow reading you wrong in this. Just how is a church member in China, India or Africa suposed to embrace a culture that is not theirs? Why is the nordic culture of your ancestors somehow superior to the culture of their ancestors? You would would seem to walking a dangerous line here.

[Darren]

I have many female friends who have chosen to sever missions now and are on missions. Many of them have told me that they were inspired to go. I have trusted in their own inspiration, and promises in their patriarchal blessings.

Mabey they just really really really wanted to go, urged on by their family and community, with expectations, and that is the source of their inspiration.

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My story starts with this…

(ooh, it still gives me the chills!)

I already had the sister missionary fever when the announcement was made. That Monday I made a doctor’s appointment and called up my bishop. I thought I would have my call by the end of the month.
But then I couldn’t clear my physical examination. My doctor couldn’t explain what was wrong so I was sent to do more medical tests (I can't tell you how many times I had to pee in a cup). Throughout the next two months, I still had no doubt that I would go on a mission because I had received a confirmation from the spirit that it was what I needed to do.
At the end of fall semester, I was finally in to see a kidney specialist. The doctor came in and said “Well I can tell you you’re not going on a mission!” Haha, right. But he meant it. He explained that my medical tests pointed to an autoimmune problem that had to be suppressed before it would damage my kidneys more.

I was devastated and confused. I had received spiritual confirmations that a mission was right for me. I was grateful we caught this medical condition before I even had symptoms, but did I receive confirmations to serve only to uncover this problem? How could the Lord plant in my heart a righteous desire for something I would ultimately be denied? I was angry with the Lord for not letting me serve. I was jealous of the girls younger than me who were leaving on missions. I was bitter I had to stay where I felt little hope for my future.

I have learned that the Lord does have a plan for me. As I have tried to serve faithfully here, I have found new levels of growth through experiences and people that only the Lord could have foreseen. And what is more, I have had my eyes opened to see all the blessings I couldn't see while being too consumed by my unmet expectations.

God Bless,
Darren

[Darren]

I find this post troubling. You would seem to be suggesting that persons of cultures not of the north germanic origins are unworthy of the godspel. That by doing missionary work among such cultures we are bringing the wrath of God upon us. I hope I am somehow reading you wrong in this. Just how is a church member in China, India or Africa suposed to embrace a culture that is not theirs? Why is the nordic culture of your ancestors somehow superior to the culture of their ancestors? You would would seem to walking a dangerous line here.

I am pretty sure that it has been widely recognized that the overall business of the Nordic Race, and the Tribe of Ephraim is to perpetuate their "True Culture" upon all of the world's people, as a consideration for living among them.

Georg Hegel believed that Nordic Guild Culture was the essence of the Communes of Northern Europe. Karl Marx was so stupid to think that an Orthodox Central Bank had anything to do with Nordic Culture and added so much Katholic Culture stupidity into his version of Communism. Modern Communism has been an attempt to spread some Nordic Principles, albeit with some false principles, as Socage Culture was lived by the Nordic Communes. Constitutional Law Society also stems from Nordic Principles.

Nordic Culture has already permeated all societies and all peoples, all I am trying to do is get people to see the correct principles and reject the false ones.

God Bless,
Darren