I don't blame the girls. The sin sits on the shoulders of the parents and leaders, who betray their temple covenant by failing to guard against Babylon and build a constitutional society of Zion.
Our Mormon Culture Creature is off the path on its way to the Great and Spacious Building. And our youth are being taken along with us.
God Bless,
Darren
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 23rd, 2013, 8:00 am
by Darren
Young women preparing and sisters serving missions is akin to the ancient Babylonian concept of having the youth prepare for their role in the Katholic Assembly (In 300 B.C. the Greeks spelled Catholic with a K).
It is simple, we can choose to have Patriarchal Law Culture or we can choose to have Babylonian Katholic Culture.
Jesus Christ appeared to the lost tribes of Israel and gave them his Gospel Plan and Church Organization. The Saxon's lived by that Gospel Plan and Church Organization up through the 8th Century according to Thomas Jefferson and Cleon Skousen.
To get back to Patriarchal Law Culture is to harken back into our Saxon Ancestry, as did Thomas Jefferson, and then we can live and work together by the tried and proven Church Organization of the Saxon's, that Joseph Smith was restoring to us in this dispensation.
To be a conservative is to know and work toward the restoring of the pre-8th Century Saxon Culture, Patriarchal Law Culture we call the Free Enterprise System, as Freemen.
In the ancestral Free Enterprise System the youth are prepared to participate in society and marry in their young ages, even the unmarriageable by today's society standards were successfully married in our ancestral Saxon Culture.
But who is trying to get us back to that way of living and working together?
So here comes The Cleansing, because the Mormon Culture is slipping into the Katholic Culture way of living.
And the condition of our youth, with the absence of apprenticeships for the young men and the fulfilling of Katholic Culture roles for young women is a symptom of the problem.
I wish you could see it!
Darren
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 23rd, 2013, 6:54 pm
by Darren
Member Doctrine and Culture Shift evident in this article, and includes the labeling of "Folk Doctrine" for some common thoughts and expressions in the Church, (putting Good as Evil and Evil as Good):
http://www.the-exponent.com/young-women ... a-mission/ Young Women Lesson: Priesthood and Priesthood Keys: How do I honor and uphold the priesthood? Plus Bonus Lesson: Should I serve a mission? Posted by April on May 11, 2013 in Gospel, Sacred Texts, Young Women Lessons
Throughout the month of June, young men and young women of the church will study the priesthood. The introduction to this section of the Young Women curriculum contains this note:
Be sensitive to young women who live without priesthood authority in the home or have negative examples in their lives.
By all means, do be sensitive to such situations, but I wonder why it did not occur to the authors to remind teachers to be sensitive to the fact that all of the students in the class are young women and therefore excluded from the priesthood? Sensitivity to this issue is paramount as we prepare to discuss the priesthood in Young Women’s class every week for a whole month. Some of the young women in your class may feel concerned, frustrated or hurt as they watch their male peers administer sacred ordinances of the priesthood every week and receive higher offices of the priesthood every other year. Spending a month discussing ordinances they are not allowed to perform and offices they are not allowed to hold could exacerbate these feelings.
How can you be sensitive to young women who struggle with their exclusion from the priesthood?
Foster an open forum for discussion. Don’t chastise young women for expressing concerns.
Express empathy. Validate their concerns. Simple statements like, “Yes, that is hard,” go a long way.
Do not use folk doctrine to explain gender disparities. Explanations like, “Women have motherhood instead of priesthood,” or “Women access the priesthood through their husbands,” are even more unsatisfying when directed toward young women, who do not have children or husbands. Another common folk doctrine is that women don’t need the priesthood because they are more spiritual than men; this idea stereotypes men as spiritually weak.
Avoid statements like, “I’m glad women don’t have the priesthood. I wouldn’t want the responsibility.” First of all, eschewing responsibility is antithetical to the Young Women values and theme. Secondly, the priesthood is a sacred gift, not a burden. Finally, it is untrue that women of the church lack responsibility. Many callings held by women in the church are as time-consuming as male callings. More importantly, women are as responsible as men before God.
If young women ask your opinion, you may share it briefly but do not attempt to sway theirs. Clarify that you are expressing an opinion, not doctrine. Encourage young women to seek their own answers by “study and also by faith” (D&C 109:7).
Bonus Lesson
Should I Serve a Mission?
This lesson is adapted from an Aaronic Priesthood lesson in the Priesthood and Priesthood Keys unit called Why Should I Serve a Mission? There is no corresponding lesson about missionary work in the Young Women curriculum but this topic may be of interest to many young women, especially given recent changes in missionary policy.
Preparing to Serve
Today I am pleased to announce that able, worthy young women who have the desire to serve may be recommended for missionary service beginning at age 19, instead of age 21.
We affirm that missionary work is a priesthood duty—and we encourage all young men who are worthy and who are physically able and mentally capable to respond to the call to serve. Many young women also serve, but they are not under the same mandate to serve as are the young men. We assure the young sisters of the Church, however, that they make a valuable contribution as missionaries, and we welcome their service. –Thomas S. Monson, Oct 2012
Show the video: Missionary Work: A Priesthood Duty. Before sharing the video, it may be useful to note that the segment of the video about preparation for a mission is illustrated with photos of elders, but the same preparations apply to women.
What are some of the ways you can prepare if you choose to serve a mission?
Ask the class to read D&C 4. What are some of the qualities they should strive to develop in order to become worthy to serve as missionaries? How might they develop these qualities?
Making the Decision
Ask each young woman to read one of the five testimonials in the article, Young Women and the Mission Decision, Ensign, January 2013 and then explain to her classmates how the woman they read about made her decision about missionary service. What are some of the different ways women might approach this decision-making process? What are some of the different ways the Spirit might confirm the decision?
Guest Panel
Invite one or more returned missionaries to attend the class and respond to questions from the young women about the mission experience.
Live What We Are Learning
Invite the young women to consider how they will live by what they have learned today. For example, they could:
Talk to a returned missionary about his/her mission experience.
Read a chapter from Preach My Gospel.
Write a letter or email to a relative or ward member who is serving a mission.
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Thank you for this, I love it! I love the bonus lesson too. I don’t get why we don’t have anything preparing girls to serve missions. I understand that it is not a duty. I have a laurels class of seven girls and three of them have openly expressed a desire to serve missions while others are unsure. So about half of my girls are planning to go in a year or so, yet we have no curriculum or activities designed to help them in this. Even the girls who don’t currently think they would go would benefit from lessons on missionary work and preparing themselves to enter the temple. I was planning to steal this lesson from the Aaronic Priesthood manual anyway.
The Culture Shift towards Babylonian styled roles for young women is coming from the members who apparently have been loosing their "Folk Doctrine" of Joseph Smith's Ancestral Culture.
God Bless,
Darren
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 23rd, 2013, 7:08 pm
by gkearney
Darren, I would want to remind you that the lowering of the age for young women did not originate with the culture of the church it originated with the First Presidency and the Twelve all of whom I, and I assume you, sustained in their callings.
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 23rd, 2013, 7:46 pm
by EmmaLee
+1, gkearney.
Pres. Monson wrote:Today I am pleased to announce that able, worthy young women who have the desire to serve may be recommended for missionary service beginning at age 19, instead of age 21.
We affirm that missionary work is a priesthood duty—and we encourage all young men who are worthy and who are physically able and mentally capable to respond to the call to serve. Many young women also serve, but they are not under the same mandate to serve as are the young men. We assure the young sisters of the Church, however, that they make a valuable contribution as missionaries, and we welcome their service. –Thomas S. Monson, Oct 2012
If anyone doesn't think the First Presidency and Twelve knew full-well this (far more YW going on missions) would be the result of the above announcement, they are kidding themselves. Make of it what you will, but if I and my whole family knew 5 seconds after the announcement was made that the immediate result would be HUGE numbers of YW running to sign up for missions, then you can be assured the First Presidency and Twelve knew that would be the result well before making the announcement - and they went through with it. Again, make of it what you will.
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 23rd, 2013, 7:53 pm
by AussieOi
Ah, yes, the infallibility of the correlation department
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 24th, 2013, 6:21 pm
by Darren
In 1995 I was already a long time employee of the the University of Utah, and at that time I had responsibilities to help facilitate groups who would rent the rooms and facilities on the UofU campus. In the Summer of 1995 the B. H. Roberts Society sponsored the "Mormon Gay and Lesbian Community" for 3 days of lectures utilizing 3 large lecture halls, with approximately 5,000 people in attendance. As part of my job I was assigned to attend and help facilitate the events throughout the entirety of those 3 days.
The Bottom Line from that event was a resolution expressed by the Mormon Gay and Lesbian Community, to be patient and the Old Conservative Gard would pass away and more Progressive/Liberal Leaders would take their place. And to keep on promoting the Mormon Gay and Lesbian Cause and a general acceptance would gradually be produced.
Groups and Movements like this include the Mormon Feminist Community, as they actively look for ways to promote their Cause.
President Monson revealed nothing new about young women or sisters to have responsibilities to serve missions, but the Mormon Feminist Community has been working away liberalizing LDS members to sympathize with and/or join in their cause, apparently they have helped prepare the way for a new Member Doctrine to blossom in the wake of "The Announcement," lowering the age requirement for men and women to participate in full-time missionary service.
I have the utmost respect for our Church Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve. But the Mormon Culture Creature spoils the good coming from our Leaders, to convert our Leadership's council into new shades of grey and added layers of corruption among the Mormon Culture.
Traditional Church Culture goes way back, and is as easy to understand as reading the Book of Mormon to understand Book of Mormon Culture. But who cares about all that old "Folk Doctrine" anyway?
God Bless,
Darren
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 24th, 2013, 7:19 pm
by EmmaLee
Darren, Do you honestly think the First Presidency and Twelve did not know this would be the result of their announcement last October? If your answer is no, then what does that tell you... If your answer is yes, then why are you blaming ONLY the members? Forgive me, but it seems like you're trying to have your cake and eat it, too. The huge influx of young women signing up for missions is a DIRECT result of the First Pres./Twelve lowering the age for them to serve (and yes, they knew that would be the result), yet you only blame the members and liberal factions of the Church for the result. Anyway, I'm not going to argue about it; it's seems obvious what the situation really is, but it requires some paradigm shifting that makes many uncomfortable. So, to each his own - peace, out.
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 24th, 2013, 7:34 pm
by Darren
I don't think the President of our Church can save us from the consequences of our agency.
Elaine Dalton sets the pace for next generation of Mormon girls
By peggy fletcher stack The Salt Lake Tribune First Published Apr 05 2013 http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile3/5610 ... h.html.csp
Among her most noted accomplishments was modernizing the curriculum for the weekly Young Women’s lessons.
The new plan rolled out in January 2013 and, to the delight of many feminists, it parallels the lessons taught to young men. Both emphasize the centrality of Jesus Christ in young lives, rather than particular roles.
It shifts the focus for young women from finding a mate or planning for marriage to personal holiness in an LDS temple, says Tresa Edmunds, a Mormon writer in Modesto, Calif., who has been pushing for changes in the program.
"I’ve always appreciated her emphasis on the temple as part of a young woman’s spiritual development," Edmunds writes in an email. "President Dalton emphasized the sacred importance of the covenants made in that ceremony, and the power they have in a woman’s life, independent of wherever else her road takes her."
By emphasizing covenant-making in the temple, Dalton told the LDS Church News, the new program prepares young women to serve missions, which they are doing in ever greater numbers after the minimum age dropped from 21 to 19. "A missionary experience helps provide a setting in which she keeps the covenants she has made in the temple as she dedicates her time, talents and personal resources to building the Lord’s kingdom."
The SL Tribune is so talented in their spreading of propaganda like this.
I don't blame President Benson for the Elders continuing failure to save the Constitution. And I don't think that President Monson has saved the Church from the coming Cleansing, as we in our Mormon Culture are most likely too far gone to not get The Cleansing, from his perspective. None of us knows what exactly President Monson knows, so what is the point.
God Bless,
Darren
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 24th, 2013, 8:03 pm
by AussieOi
If some people knew how policy and practice evolves in our church (and magically become doctrine), they'd be really surprised.
Church corelation department. I'm sure its discussed on Google somewhere
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 24th, 2013, 8:13 pm
by Darren
AussieOi wrote:If some people knew how policy and practice evolves in our church (and magically become doctrine), they'd be really surprised.
Church corelation department. I'm sure its discussed on Google somewhere
What if the Mormon Culture realized that the Prophet didn't necessary say a lot of things about a lot of little details, and that he expected us to listen to the Holy Ghost and come along with common sense answers by revelation in our own stewardships, instead of us, as a herd following after trendsetters and intellectuals.
I was recently in a four hour training meeting with Elder Ballard. A bishop asked this very question about young women feeling like they have some duty to serve missions. I will never forget Elder Ballard's response. He said "you kill that message."
I have never heard one of the brethren make such a strong message about something like this.
Young women absolutely do not have the duty of serving missions. Young men do as a consequence of holding the priesthood.
No obligation exists and no pressure by family, friends, priesthood leaders should be exerted. Similar to the experience related above, I attended a training session with Elder Holland, and he was emphatic that this was the case. Read the Prophet's words. Anyone who advises anything different is out of line.
It's always been my understanding that a mission is not a "duty" for young women. It is an option and if they feel it is right for them, the church is happy to have them serve if they choose to.
However, amid the attendant excitement over this announcement and the flood of young women choosing to serve missions right now, that "optional" part of the message seems to be lost. It feels that the expectations have changed.
I recently attended a "farewell" for a niece who decided to serve a mission. We are all very excited for her. However, I was a little concerned by the bishop's remarks at the end of the meeting. He commended her on her decisions to "fulfill her duty" and on "setting the proper example for all young women in the ward to serve a full time mission." Later at her home, my 20 year old daughter was asked multiple times when she was putting in her papers. I could tell it was awkward for her because she has never felt the prompting that a mission was right for her. But several people there just acted like it was a given that she would choose to go.
I guess my concern is for those young women who do not choose to serve a mission. Are they judged as less worthy because they didn't go (even though they aren't expected to go)? Also, I wonder how many young women are being caught up in the emotion of this announcement and are submitting their papers just because it seems like the "cool" thing to do without really giving thought to if it the right thing for them.
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 25th, 2013, 8:52 pm
by gkearney
If you think it is hard for young women who choose not to go on missions consider the situation facing young men with health or disabling condition which prevent them from going particularly if those conditions are not visible. There lot is not a happy one.
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 25th, 2013, 10:06 pm
by Darren
It is difficult for all parties when the Mormon Culture Members do what they do in such ignorance to True Culture. When the realization comes that in centuries past the youth of Christ's Church were helped to develop their roles, and purposes, for the salvation of mankind, by working in apprenticeships, in following the "journeymen" or role-models of their particular callings and sake, instead of the current insane application of Socrates' Bachelor System wherein youth forgo marriage, even for a time, for opportunities of position in the State (the Catholic Culture).
When the young women say that they feel good about their commitments toward serving full-time missions, what they are really saying is that their parents and leaders didn't really give them any better choices and a clear vision to attain their true potential, the good, when better or best was not an option. And that goes for the young men as well when a mission just didn't work for them, and they were rejected by other members.
Mormon Culture today has little semblance to Patriarchal Law Culture as lived by that Culture in past dispensations. Other than the covenants made available at the temple, and only kept with a tithing amount of commitment, there is very little of the working together trust to operate Zion by, and as is required to be, to have Zion.
The Culture Shift underway evident in the young women being told that they should be serving missions, (among many things), is just a symptom of the greater void growing in the Culture because we are forgetting our constitution, or the societal commitment to the sake of Christ. If the Elders are to save the Constitution, and thereby return to our cultural roots, they are going to have to recapture Patriarchal Law Culture and work together by it, including a return to the Institutions that have traditionally given our young people Law Culture Structure and Opportunities.
God Bless,
Darren
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 25th, 2013, 10:32 pm
by gkearney
Daren
You clearly feel strongly about this issue. Just what would you have modern young women, their leaders and parents do differently? I don't think it realistic that we are going to recreate 8th century Anglo-Saxon culture in the church today given our modern world and the fact that most of the church today has no connection to Anglo-Saxon heritage or culture.
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 25th, 2013, 10:45 pm
by Darren
gkearney wrote:Daren
You clearly feel strongly about this issue. Just what would you have modern young women, their leaders and parents do differently? I don't think it realistic that we are going to recreate 8th century Anglo-Saxon culture in the church today given our modern world and the fact that most of the church today has no connection to Anglo-Saxon heritage or culture.
Well, the Elders are supposed to save the constitution for starters, and to do that they need to revitalize what Thomas Jefferson gave to us as he was trying to recreate 8th Century Anglo-Saxon Culture, and also revitalize what Joseph Smith gave to us as he was trying to continue in the goodness taken into the wilderness by his Puritan Culture Ancestors mentioned in D&C 86.
But what are the Elders doing with the constitution? They are applying Babylon Culture Principles to Thomas Jefferson's and Joseph Smith's Culture. We work together in our pre-8th Century Anglo-Saxon styled Companies by Babylon's Money instead of by traditional Anglo-Saxon Company Culture of commitments and trust.
Save the constitution by refining our Culture, that is already among us, and realize that it is not that far away or impossible to recapture. Then our women will not be under pressure to give themselves to Aristotle's Empire way to live and work together, or give up marriage for opportunities to work for the State.
I wish you could see how easy it looks to me.
Darren
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 25th, 2013, 11:08 pm
by gkearney
Daren
I guess I was hoping for so more practical suggestions some things that local leaders and families can do right now. While saving the constitution while important is not the sort of thing that one undertake on a practical day to day level.
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 26th, 2013, 1:27 pm
by Darren
gkearney wrote:Daren
I guess I was hoping for so more practical suggestions some things that local leaders and families can do right now. While saving the constitution while important is not the sort of thing that one undertake on a practical day to day level.
Right now we can teach each other to become more like our ancestors, study and mirror the conservative roles of men and women in our Free Enterprise System, wherein they set an example for us by living and working together in a society based on commitment and trust. And not by preparing for bachelorhood at a university.
One peculiar thing to do right now is to get one of these,
put it on once in a while and tell people who ask that you are getting in touch with your heritage. And then share something good about the culture you came from.
Youth need to receive their true heritage,
instead of the trash we call Western Civilization, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSjE2Ks38uE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
To say that young women and sisters should serve missions (something that the Prophet has never said), and administrate in the affairs of a religious society, is another borrowed cultural concept introduced into Mormon Culture, that comes from the Apostate and his False Priesthood.
God Bless,
Darren
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 26th, 2013, 7:32 pm
by AussieOi
Darren wrote:
AussieOi wrote:If some people knew how policy and practice evolves in our church (and magically become doctrine), they'd be really surprised.
Church corelation department. I'm sure its discussed on Google somewhere
What if the Mormon Culture realized that the Prophet didn't necessary say a lot of things about a lot of little details, and that he expected us to listen to the Holy Ghost and come along with common sense answers by revelation in our own stewardships, instead of us, as a herd following after trendsetters and intellectuals.
God Bless,
Darren
Well wouldn't that be a marvellous state. Like we all had our own seer stone, or grim and thummin even.
But Bro, you and me both know thats not how it works with us Mormons.
The thinking has been done, and the culture thrives on the perception of depth of hidden wisdom, and mystery.
The result is little girls will now be taught to go on missions because that's what SLC says.
Until there is correction of false doctrines, and these false practices, I have NO option but to accept their (in)actions, which perpetuate the false status quo and culture, are deliberate.
Lets go shopping Darren
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 26th, 2013, 7:42 pm
by AussieOi
Haha
sorry, I can't cut the rest out to repost the quote below ( danged galaxy phone)
Nono. He knows how the culture works.
THEY can kill that message
Putting it on the bishop is a cop out and they know that.
they lit the match, they can kill that message.
they say nothing remotely close to prophetic, they know that members hang on everything they say for a morsel like this to interpret as "god revealing his will to us"
and what training needs 4 hours?
Clearly I am apostate now.
I'm just sick of this. Zion, Darren with 1 r. Youre dreaming.
Meetings and correlation.
We're not even close. Personally I'm even further away it would appear.
I was recently in a four hour training meeting with Elder Ballard. A bishop asked this very question about young women feeling like they have some duty to serve missions. I will never forget Elder Ballard's response. He said "you kill that message."
I have never heard one of the brethren make such a strong message about something like this.
Young women absolutely do not have the duty of serving missions. Young men do as a consequence of holding the priesthood.
No obligation exists and no pressure by family, friends, priesthood leaders should be exerted. Similar to the experience related above, I attended a training session with Elder Holland, and he was emphatic that this was the case. Read the Prophet's words. Anyone who advises anything different is out of line.
It's always been my understanding that a mission is not a "duty" for young women. It is an option and if they feel it is right for them, the church is happy to have them serve if they choose to.
However, amid the attendant excitement over this announcement and the flood of young women choosing to serve missions right now, that "optional" part of the message seems to be lost. It feels that the expectations have changed.
I recently attended a "farewell" for a niece who decided to serve a mission. We are all very excited for her. However, I was a little concerned by the bishop's remarks at the end of the meeting. He commended her on her decisions to "fulfill her duty" and on "setting the proper example for all young women in the ward to serve a full time mission." Later at her home, my 20 year old daughter was asked multiple times when she was putting in her papers. I could tell it was awkward for her because she has never felt the prompting that a mission was right for her. But several people there just acted like it was a given that she would choose to go.
I guess my concern is for those young women who do not choose to serve a mission. Are they judged as less worthy because they didn't go (even though they aren't expected to go)? Also, I wonder how many young women are being caught up in the emotion of this announcement and are submitting their papers just because it seems like the "cool" thing to do without really giving thought to if it the right thing for them.
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 26th, 2013, 7:55 pm
by gkearney
Darren wrote:Youth need to receive their true heritage,
Darren;
In your fascination with germanic culture you fail to take much of the church today has no cultural connection to germanic culture at all. Telling an African American, Hispanic, African or Asian LDS girl to wear a hat which makes her look like she is in a Vagnarian opra isn't going to mean much to her at all.
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 27th, 2013, 5:27 am
by SouthernMormon
I do wonder about whether, as an earlier poster noted, the Church is wanting young men and women to serve missions before college damages their faith. I too am skeptical about all of the purported benefits of college / university, at least for most people, and especially women. And I say this as someone who attends a "prestigious" (in the eyes of the world) college. I have often thought, though not mentioned this, that BYU is far too centralized / population density is too high. It is over 20, 000 students. This is more then many towns where students grew up. It just does seem too congested for me. Would it not be better to have 20 colleges throughout the "Mormon Corridor" with 1, 000 students each? Or even 50 colleges with 400 students each? This way, parents could still see their children more easily, and they would have a smoother and less abrupt transition into adulthood. And, additionally, the students would be able to get to know each other more closely.
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 27th, 2013, 1:01 pm
by EmmaLee
AussieOi wrote:The result is little girls will now be taught to go on missions because that's what SLC says.
Lets go shopping Darren
Nono. He knows how the culture works.
THEY can kill that message
Putting it on the bishop is a cop out and they know that.
they lit the match, they can kill that message.
they say nothing remotely close to prophetic, they know that members hang on everything they say for a morsel like this to interpret as "god revealing his will to us"
Exactly what I was trying to say; perhaps you said it better. Thank you, Aussie Oi.
Re: Sisters serving missions & forgoing marriage?
Posted: May 27th, 2013, 1:33 pm
by ajax
Stella Solaris wrote:
AussieOi wrote:The result is little girls will now be taught to go on missions because that's what SLC says.
Lets go shopping Darren
Nono. He knows how the culture works.
THEY can kill that message
Putting it on the bishop is a cop out and they know that.
they lit the match, they can kill that message.
they say nothing remotely close to prophetic, they know that members hang on everything they say for a morsel like this to interpret as "god revealing his will to us"
Exactly what I was trying to say; perhaps you said it better. Thank you, Aussie Oi.
From the Strength of Youth:
"In all circumstances, follow the teachings of the prophets, the other authorities of the Church, and your local leaders. They will lead you in paths of happiness."
Make of it what you will, but if I and my whole family knew 5 seconds after the announcement was made that the immediate result would be HUGE numbers of YW running to sign up for missions, then you can be assured the First Presidency and Twelve knew that would be the result well 
