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Tell us you're trying to develop nuclear weapons or we'll know you are!

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The U.S. on Friday demanded that Iran confess to trying to make atomic weapons, suggesting that anything short of that would doom an International Atomic Energy Agency probe of Tehran's nuclear past.

The call by Gregory L. Schulte, chief U.S. delegate to the Vienna-based IAEA, appeared to set the bar insurmountably high for the investigation by the U.N. agency's chief, Mohamed ElBaradei.

There is only about a week left before he reports on the probe's progress, and Iran has steadfastly denied ever working on a nuclear weapons program.

Schulte said the "measure for progress is whether Iran fully discloses its past weapons work and allows IAEA inspectors to verify it's halted."

"This," he told reporters, "includes explaining past work on weapons design and weaponization and the role of the Iranian military."

Schulte spoke a day after diplomats told The Associated Press that the U.S. had recently shared new intelligence on alleged Iranian nuclear weapons work. One of them also said that Washington also gave the IAEA permission to confront Iran with at least some of the evidence in an attempt to pry details out of the Islamic republic on the activities.

Tehran insists its program is intended only to produce energy and has refused U.N. demands that it suspend its uranium enrichment program — technology that can produce both fuel for nuclear reactors and the fissile material for a bomb.

The U.S. is leading the push for a third set of U.N. sanctions against Iran. A recent U.S. intelligence assessment that Iran had a clandestine weapons program but stopped working on it four years ago has hurt Washington's attempts to have the U.N. Security Council impose the new sanctions.

A March 3 meeting of the 35-nation IAEA board will evaluate ElBaradei's efforts to probe Tehran's nuclear past — including alleged attempts to make weapons. The probe was to have been completed months ago, but agency officials have privately acknowledged it could drag on even past the board meeting.

Reflecting Western dissatisfaction — and the possibility that ElBaradei's report would fall short of expectations — Britain, France and the United States have begun consulting on a resolution for the March meeting that would "draw a line in the sand" both for the IAEA chief and Iran, said a diplomat accredited to the agency.

The diplomat spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue.

The last board resolution referred Iran to the U.N. Security Council in late 2006. Any new resolution would reflect frustration with Russian and Chinese opposition to tough U.N. sanctions on Iran, he said.

If ElBaradei's probe is deemed unsatisfactory, the board, through a new resolution "has to report to the Security Council that the agency has done all that it can do, and that it cannot guarantee for the peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear program," the diplomat said.

Iran is already under two sets of U.N. Security Council sanctions for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment, which it started developing during nearly two decades of covert nuclear activity built on illicit purchases and revealed only five years ago.

Since then, IAEA experts have uncovered activities, experiments, and blueprints and materials that point to possible efforts by Iran to create nuclear weapons, even though Tehran insists its nuclear project is peaceful.

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So the US knows already that Iran is seeking to make nuclear weapons, despite intelligence reports to the contrary?
Amazing.

Suppose Iranians are actually telling the truth, that what they seek is legal' nuclear power, only - no bombs. Do they have to confess to a lie, to be safe from US "intervention"?

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Doomed if they do, doomed if they don't.

At least that is how it looks, but I think that this policy is what is really doomed.. and of course those that are completely supporting it too.... and even some innocents

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If they do go into Iran any time soon, it will definitely signal a new deliberate policy of ruin. I expect them to keep putting it off, but I would not be surprised if they didn't

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This is so silly it is laughable. My goodness Iran and Russia are in bed together on weaponry and Russia can and will supply Iran anything they need or want when it comes to WMD's. Putin continues to sword rattle almost weekly with all kinds of veiled threats both economically and militarily against the west as does China. Wake up people. This is not an Iran against the US confrontation. It is civilization against civilization. There are many more players in this battle with several agenda's than are being considered here. Look at the big picture. Otherwise you will get blindsided and not know what hit you. Armegendon is rapidly approaching as wickedness surrounds the globe in many insidious forms. The battle plans are drawn. Don't get sucked into looking only at myopic views of these threats to your freedoms.

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You keep saying the same thing Mark, and yet in all this time I have never heard you advocate going to war against Russia. So for the record, do you advocate going to war with Russia right now? Why or why not?

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I believe in the Teddy Roosevelt diplomacy style of walking softly but carrying a big stick Pitch. Of course I don't advocate invading Russia right now. However I think it is critical that Russia understands that we as a nation are not going to roll over and play dead if they choose to undermine our national security. However reality is what it is and we no longer will elect a Teddy Roosevelt to anything no less President of the US. Those who will stand in power here in the west will capitulate and cut spending on military defense and try to socialize everything they get their greedy hands on which will in turn make this nation completely vunerable to attack and plunder. That is exactly what I see coming down the pike. Millions upon millions will suffer the effects of this tyranny and plunder. You guys see that tyranny only coming from within. I think time will prove you to be dead wrong. Our pride and babylonian behaviour will soften our underbellys sufficiently that we will reap what our weakness has sown. Nyquist latest is a precurser of what lies ahead. Russia already has claimed dibs on your Alaskan frontier Pitch. Enjoy it while you can Bro. Soon enough you will be surrounded by a sea of red.


In the Red
by J. R. Nyquist
Weekly Column Published: 02.15.2008
The financial crisis continues. On Monday a Wall Street Journal headline stated: “Markets at Risk for Additional Shocks.” It seems that “the world’s top banking authorities” are warning that financial markets “may suffer a relapse.” The front page of that same Wall Street Journal wrestled with another set of negatives: “New Hitches in Markets May Widen Credit Woes.” According to authors Liz Rappaport, Carrick Mollenkamp and Karen Richardson, “A widening array of financial-market problems threatens to trigger a new phase in the global credit crunch….” Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, the international business editor of the Telegraph (UK), affirmed that the credit crisis is escalating. “Defaults in the US housing market are spreading from sub-prime to … top-grade housing debt, threatening to set off a wave of even bigger losses for banks and investment funds.”

There is no reason to doubt the veracity of these reports. More losses are coming and worse news will follow. Voices are now uttering what was previously unthinkable, that the market has to sink. At the very least it will stagnate for years. Imagine what this means to baby boomers preparing for retirement. Imagine the resulting economic difficulties of Europe and Asia. In a story published by Interfax on Feb. 11, Russian energy boss Anatoliy Chubais said the world’s GDP is already falling. The process, he explained, would last “three or four years.” He predicted the demand for natural gas and oil would decline and so would Russia’s export revenue. The global financial crisis, he said, was bound to become a political crisis. He worried that Russia would blame “Western imperialism” and subsequently return to self-damaging policies of isolation and autarchy.

At a summit meeting last month Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez urged his Latin American allies to withdraw billions in currency from U.S. banks. He said the United States is about to suffer a severe financial shock. “We should begin to move our [cash] reserves here,” explained Chavez. “Why does our money have to be in the north?” At the same summit, President Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua said that the dictatorship of global capitalism “has lost control.” The “blame imperialism” crowd is ahead of curve. They know something bad is coming and they are bracing themselves. In the Great Depression, the totalitarian scapegoat was the Jews. In the present crisis the scapegoat will be America. It was no surprise, therefore, when Ortega and Chavez signed an accord that decried “the warlike attitude of the U.S. government and its attacks against our governments.”

What exists abroad, in a Marxist-Leninist context, also exists at home – in the context of the U.S. presidential race. A recent story by James Taranto alleges that “cameras from Houston's KRIV-TV caught a glimpse” of a Cuban flag and “an image of Che Guevara” hanging in a Barack Obama campaign office. What does a mainstream politician have in common with a blood-soaked icon of Cuba’s red terror? The economic crisis brings forward old ideologies under new labels. Sometimes the old labels remain stuck to some of the product. It should surprise no one if certain politicians have an unexamined Marxist underbelly. As unemployment rises, as markets fall, new political pressures and old socialist “ideas” will enter the political mainstream. Even Republican presidential hopefuls cannot help sounding like social democrats. It is too early, as yet; but those who would be king may soon be tempted to make dangerous promises. Senator Obama recently unveiled his economic program, which proposes to spend $210 billion to create jobs in infrastructure repair and “environmental industries.” It is a modest proposal, based on raiding the Pentagon’s budget. Nevertheless, here is a clue regarding the general direction of policy in the United States. Given worse economic news, the United States is ready for massive cuts in defense spending.

Coinciding with the retreat of the dollar, the retreat of U.S. military power signals a new era in which traditional U.S. allies are compelled to make concessions to Beijing and Moscow. When the power-shift begins, Saudi Arabia’s special relationship with the United States will succumb to a new “realism.” NATO will fall apart, with key nations running to Moscow ahead of others. Taiwan, Japan and South Korea will feel the heat. Old allies will detach themselves. Old dependencies and clients will seek protection elsewhere. A policy shift lies ahead for the United States. The Americans are destined to withdrawal from the Middle East. Internal tensions, within the United States, will radicalize the home front.


Copyright © 2008 Jeffrey R. Nyquist

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I just don't get it Mark. I say, "Gee I don't think that we should go attack the Iranians over spurious nuke claims." You say, "Oh wake up it's really Russia and they're going to eat us alive." I say "So what do you want to do about it?" You say, "Puff up our chests and look bigger than we are, woe is me, they're going to eat us alive!" I say, "Huh?"

Nobody here has said that we shouldn't have a very strong national defense, on the contrary everybody without exception has said that we should!

You do not advocate engaging Russia, you say a war with Iran will be a war with Russia. So are you just being a butt and disagreeing to disagree since you agree with everything we say? Seriously I just don't get it at all.

We agree that we should have the strongest possible national DEFENSE. We agree that we should not attack Iran or Russia. We agree that we should not trust Iran or Russia. What is it exactly that you disagree with? And why is it so important?

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I am poking fun at US intelligence and our pathetic national leadership Pitch. If you would get the chip off your shoulder and not internalize everything I say as an attack against "us" maybe we could dialogue more productively. Are you a first born dude? Develop some white to calm that red personality bro. You will live longer. Iran is just a surrogate to TPTB as you guys like to refer to in this eastern axis. Our leaders continue to miscalculate and misread and misinform the populace about the intentions of this axis and don't have the guts or the common sense to call things as they really are. A worldwide confrontation between eastern and western civilizations is inevitable. Those who understand this prepare for this confrontation each passing month. We in the west are lulled into carnal security and continue to shop till we drop oblivious of the combinations that seek our demise. When the storm is unleashed upon western targets we will stand amazed and tremble at the power of this cleansing tool of the Lord. It will be like no other in our history. This evil force will steamroll anyone and everything in its path toward global tyranny. This is how I see things happening. If I am wrong all the better. We can just continue debating about the meaning of a dollar and moaning about higher taxes and more socialism and if Bush is a puppet of the Rockefellers and Rothschilds. I hope I am wrong. Maybe Armegedon will not come for hundreds of years and you will meet me in the spirit world and say to me "I told you so". I know how important that is to a red personality. :wink:

PS One more Nyquist article to help illustrate my point.

Defenseless and Stupid
by J. R. Nyquist
Weekly Column Published: 02.08.2008
A recent Pravda headline stated, “USA absolutely defenseless against possible attack from Russia or China.” Of course, this headline seems ludicrous to most Americans. But there is nothing ludicrous about it. In 1998 a leading Russian military defector told me that Russia and China could combine to defeat the United States in a future war. Yes, such a war is possible, even if the Americans think it’s some kind of joke. According to Pravda, “No matter how mighty it may seem, the United States of America is defenseless in the face of an external enemy. Neither the U.S. Army nor the National Guard will be able to rebuff a sudden attack due to the lack of military training and equipment.”

Pravda’s assessment of American strategic vulnerability refers to a 400-page study “prepared by the independent committee which the U.S. Congress set up to test the battling capacity of the national Armed Forces.” According to Pravda, “Any unexpected attack against the USA with the use of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons will become fatal for the [Americans]….”

Whatever your opinion of the War in Iraq, the most strategically significant result of the war has nothing to do with Iraq. Admiral Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has admitted that the U.S. military commitment to Iraq and Afghanistan “may have undermined the military’s ability to fight wars against major adversaries….” The U.S. military has changed its focus, losing sight of the real enemy – the most dangerous enemy of all.

The danger from Russia and China is not well understood. To complicate matters further, there is a new, rising incompetence in Washington. There is blindness in the governing class, a lack of understanding, an unwillingness to work with facts, a falsification of meanings, and fatal disregard for historical truth. Enemies are not recognized as enemies. Subversion is not recognized as subversion. Madness goes about in the guise of political correctness.

There are, of course, flashes of truth and moments of recognition. On the night of the Feb. 5th presidential primary, Republican Senator Orrin Hatch told an interviewer that he feared America could lose the economic wherewithal to sustain its armed forces. The interviewer completely ignored the senator’s statement. It wasn’t something journalists are ready to take seriously. Even so, the senator offered up a warning. He had begun thinking about the military budget and the prospect of declining revenues. You might say that the “writing is on the wall.” The U.S. dollar is falling, the banks are in trouble, the stock market is ready to tumble, the housing bubble is bursting. What will happen to the economy? What will happen to the military?

In recent testimony, National Director of Intelligence Michael McConnell told Congress that Russia, China and OPEC could use their growing financial power to advance strategic goals damaging to U.S. national interests. According to McConnell, American intelligence was concerned “about the financial capabilities of Russia, China and OPEC countries and the potential use of their market access to exert financial leverage to political ends.” In other words: The enemy has cash, and cash can buy people and companies.

The reader might say that America also has cash with which to buy people and companies. But the United States has never possessed a fully competent espionage apparatus. The Russians, on the other hand, always penetrate their enemies. To understand the power of Russia, one must understand the power of controlling intelligence information. On this basis, the Russians can do spectacular things with very little money. On the other side, the Americans can do almost nothing with vast sums. This makes the United States and its allies vulnerable.

Consider the breaking story about the new chairman of NATO’s intelligence committee, Sandor Laborc. As a Communist Hungarian intelligence officer he spent six years training with the KGB. He also has close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin. We all know that Russia complained bitterly about Hungary’s admission into NATO. But Russia’s complaints are purely theatrical. The former Communist countries are riddled with secret KGB-aligned structures that take their marching orders from Moscow. Therefore, it is easy to see that NATO has admitted several Trojan Horses inside its defensive perimeter. Russia has urged this process forward through reverse psychology. They have protested NATO expansion every step of the way. All the while, East Bloc agents were getting inside of NATO.

It is unreasonable to think that Laborc is a democrat committed to the free market system. As a friend of Putin, as a KGB-trained spy, he is certain to pass NATO secrets to the Kremlin. Yet, NATO officials are not moving to reject Laborc’s presence as chairman of the intelligence committee. News reports indicate that “not a single ambassador” to NATO has protested Laborc’s sensitive posting. The meaning of this event is manifold, and will escape the attention of the vast majority of Europeans and Americans. NATO is defenseless. NATO has become stupid.


Copyright © 2008 Jeffrey R. Nyquist


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Everyone is practically out to get us, we are big bullies after all. I don't think that it is any accident, I don't think that the leaders don't know, they are just to blinded by power and greed they do not care!

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Mark, if you knew my personality you wouldn't say any of that. I will take your response as yet another dodge to the questions. I think everyone is a threat to us. Heck I would be so proud to say I was a threat to the powers that be in this country. We deserve what is coming. East vs. West? I don't think so. That is a far too limited conflict compared to the city against city, church against church, nation against nation, race against race fight we will and do see. I think your flaw is in that you cannot get your head around it because you flat out refuse to believe None Dare Call it a Conspiracy etc... So you cannot accept that both East and West, North and South, Left and right, Liberal and Conservative, Black and White etc... are all being played against each other at the same time. Your vision is too limited, too narrow, too confined to the limited conspiracy you are willing to see.

In the time You and I have been going back and forth, my position has been firm in the things I know and absolutely believing in the other areas, but you have refused to give an inch despite the obvious similarities between "you" and "us." You defined those terms jumping in with every provocative Bush shill that shows up, posts once or twice about how stupid and duped we all are and then leaves. You cheer lead them and then go quiet until the next one shows up. The us vs. them paradigm was defined by yourself despite your lack of any point of contention definable outside of calling us names and re-posting everything your champion writes.
If I am wrong all the better. We can just continue debating about the meaning of a dollar and moaning about higher taxes and more socialism and if Bush is a puppet of the Rockefellers and Rothschilds.
You conveniently left out that more than anything we discuss the Constitution, establishing Zion, and the law and proper role of government, all topics you abstain from, preferring your pet causes of supporting the 9/11 lie, anti-Eastern (east-mideast-far east) bloc fear mongering, and pro war-of-terror.

If you took your own advice you would reap your promised blessings. Just a friendly laid back secure piece of advice.

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You conveniently left out that more than anything we discuss the Constitution, establishing Zion, and the law and proper role of government, all topics you abstain from, preferring your pet causes of supporting the 9/11 lie, anti-Eastern (east-mideast-far east) bloc fear mongering, and pro war-of-terror.

You obviously have understood very little of what I have posted here on this forum for the last 2 years otherwise you would not make such a blatantly false and inaccurate statement. I will just chalk it up to that and move on.

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Let's see, every time the topic of Zion comes up we're all freaks who are going to move to Manti like whoever you know that did. CHH is apostate for not paying taxes like a good little serf, Col is an apostate cause he questions why the big mall and Cheney speaking, Aussie is an apostate because he doesn't wave your flag. You obviously do not care about unconstitutional wars of aggression, you berate anyone who disputes the official conspiracy theory of 9/11. I think I understand well that you're bent that we don't lap up the Nyquist Kool-aid and focus everything on the Russians and Assyrians. You mock others tin foil hats while never removing your Nyquist approved Aluminum beany triangle that is supposed to somehow be different.

I take no delight in pointing any of this out, nor do I take delight in the constant ridicule you provide. I just wish you'd stop attacking everybody that presents a contrary viewpoint. Nobody here has all the answers, but for the most part we get along trying to figure it out. Just tone it down with the attacks and I won't feel inclined to respond. I seriously take no joy in it, but neither am I content to let the ad hom attacks keep going without at least trying to head them off.

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I'll leave it alone from here for the sake of the board.

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I take no delight in pointing any of this out, nor do I take delight in the constant ridicule you provide. I just wish you'd stop attacking everybody that presents a contrary viewpoint. Nobody here has all the answers, but for the most part we get along trying to figure it out. Just tone it down with the attacks and I won't feel inclined to respond. I seriously take no joy in it, but neither am I content to let the ad hom attacks keep going without at least trying to head them off.

Lets see here. I respond to this topic by declaring the stupidity of US government officials in obsessing that Iran is developing a nuke device when they can get a dozen of them tomorrow if they wish from their Russian allies and you go on a tirade about how I am attacking everyone here and throwing out ad hominem attacks against all the posters here who I may disagree with all the while personally attacking me and any source I post. Absolutely unbelievable.

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"There is beauty all around, when there's love at home" :D

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"There is beauty all around, when there's love at home"

Sorry about the contention Shawn. I am finding that opinions or attitudes about world events and geopolitical items other than the standard accepted NWO conspiracy lines are not welcome and really have no place being discussed on this particular forum. Best to just keep my big mouth shut as it just stirs up to much animosity and hard feelings. Cheers.

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Mark wrote:
"There is beauty all around, when there's love at home"

Sorry about the contention Shawn. I am finding that opinions or attitudes about world events and geopolitical items other than the standard accepted NWO conspiracy lines are not welcome and really have no place being discussed on this particular forum. Best to just keep my big mouth shut as it just stirs up to much animosity and hard feelings. Cheers.
One of the signs of great pride that I learned from my family is the need to be right all the time. It's OK to simply state your opinion and the backing as for why you feel that way and leave it at that. If someone has a differing opinion, or something like that, just let it be. No need to somehow prove to ourselves or to them that we are right by "correcting" them with our infinite wisdom. I don't post a great deal here, but I do read most all of the posts. I have and continue to learn a great deal of many aspects. The need to be right in my opinions is not a need that I often have. It's like being on a mission and teaching the gospel to an investigator. I could argue and reason with any people as to why I was right and they were wrong. Never needed to do that though. Just allow the Spirit to convey the truth. Those who are in tune will be edified accordingly and all can rejoice in the truth and joy of the gospel together.

There goes that soap box again! Dang thing. Can I get a hallelujah?

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Sound wisdom Shawn. I honestly wonder how many Saints will be prepared to live in a Zion society when that time comes with attitudes and opinions as they are. The need to be right often trumps the need to be humble and teachable. Of one heart? Only as long as that @#!!$#!% can keep quiet! LOL I'm sure the Lord will let us stew in our own juices of natural man before purging us of our pride and justifications. I'm sure glad He is patient. Otherwise I'd be doomed to endless teeth knashing long ago.

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