I already posted on the media and books page, but I'm
just trying to get the word out!
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/blog/ S.
P.S. Buffalo Girl, I'm reading The Underground History of A.E. right now.
It' fascinating. I can't put it down. Chewy though. I look up about 5- 10 words a day!
Expelled, The movie
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buffalo_girl
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WOW!!! I watched the trailer. I had no idea that was going on. I guess I'm not surprised, but didn't realize to what extent our religious beliefs are being controlled.
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buffalo_girl
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Does Gatto talk about his own public school education in that book? I don't recall. He was reading assigned classic Roman literature in Latin in the 7th or 8th grade!Buffalo Girl, I'm reading The Underground History of A.E. right now.
It' fascinating. I can't put it down. Chewy though. I look up about 5- 10 words a day!
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sixgunsue
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Yes you can tell by his writing, he is highly intellectual and has a great command of the massive resources he's studied.
I find myself reading and rereading passages several times to get a clear meaning of the layers in which he writes.
I was not surprised at all after reading Mr. Gattos book that this is happening. After all who funds these universities and turns out the next generation of pedagogs?
Actually I'm still reading as we speak.
I've always liked Ben Stein. I have a cd of his called "How to Ruin Your Life".
It's aimed at teens. It's kind of the opposite of John Bytheway.
Very funny. Snarky, I'd say.
I don't see Gatto speaking much about his own school experiences. But I'm not done yet.
S.
I find myself reading and rereading passages several times to get a clear meaning of the layers in which he writes.
I was not surprised at all after reading Mr. Gattos book that this is happening. After all who funds these universities and turns out the next generation of pedagogs?
Actually I'm still reading as we speak.
I've always liked Ben Stein. I have a cd of his called "How to Ruin Your Life".
It's aimed at teens. It's kind of the opposite of John Bytheway.
Very funny. Snarky, I'd say.
I don't see Gatto speaking much about his own school experiences. But I'm not done yet.
S.
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sixgunsue
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Off subject but did you see the Monnett and Skousen lecture available on this site?
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buffalo_girl
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Not yet...My free time comes in bursts & fizzles. I rarely find a block of uninterrupted time to watch something more than 10-15 minutes. If the content can be gathered from simply listening then I can listen while I spin yarn, fold clothes, or try desperately to create some order out of my chaos. And that isn't the best kind of time to listen and make any sense out of what I'm hearing.did you see the Monnett and Skousen lecture available on this site?
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sixgunsue
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I feel that!
Look at this excerpt from Gatto. It's Satan's plan written as if a new idea.
Table of Contents | Prologue | Comments on the Book
Reviews | Errata | Read the Book | Purchase the Book
Page - 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19
Programming The Empty Child
One blueprint for the great transformation was Emile, an attempt to reestablish Eden using a procedure Rousseau called "negative education." Before the book gets to protagonist Emile, we are treated to this instructive vignette of an anonymous student:
The poor child lets himself be taken away, he turned to look backward with regret, fell silent, and departed, his eyes swollen with tears he dared not shed and his heavy heart with the sigh he dared not exhale.
Thus is the student victim led to the schoolmaster. What happens next is reassurance that such a scene will never claim Emile:
Oh you [spoken to Emile] who have nothing similar to fear; you, for whom no time of life is a time of constraint or boredom; you, who look forward to the day without disquiet and to the night without impatience—come, my happy and good natured pupil, come and console us.9
Look at Rousseau’s scene closely. Overlook its sexual innuendo and you notice the effusion is couched entirely in negatives. The teacher has no positive expectations at all; he promises an absence of pain, boredom, and ill-temper, just what Prozac delivers. Emile’s instructor says the boy likes him because he knows "he will never be a long time without distraction" and because "we never depend on each other."
This idea of negation is striking. Nobody owes anybody anything; obligation and duty are illusions. Emile isn’t happy; he’s "the opposite of the unhappy child." Emile will learn "to commit himself to the habit of not contracting any habits." He will have no passionately held commitments, no outside interests, no enthusiasms, and no significant relationships other than with the tutor. He must void his memory of everything but the immediate moment, as children raised in adoption and foster care are prone to do. He is to feel, not think. He is to be emptied in preparation for his initiation as a mindless article of nature.
The similarity of all this to a drugged state dawns on the critical reader. Emile is to find negative freedom—freedom from attachment, freedom from danger, freedom from duty and responsibility, etc. But Rousseau scrupulously avoids a question anybody might ask: What is this freedom for? What is its point?
Look at this excerpt from Gatto. It's Satan's plan written as if a new idea.
Table of Contents | Prologue | Comments on the Book
Reviews | Errata | Read the Book | Purchase the Book
Page - 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19
Programming The Empty Child
One blueprint for the great transformation was Emile, an attempt to reestablish Eden using a procedure Rousseau called "negative education." Before the book gets to protagonist Emile, we are treated to this instructive vignette of an anonymous student:
The poor child lets himself be taken away, he turned to look backward with regret, fell silent, and departed, his eyes swollen with tears he dared not shed and his heavy heart with the sigh he dared not exhale.
Thus is the student victim led to the schoolmaster. What happens next is reassurance that such a scene will never claim Emile:
Oh you [spoken to Emile] who have nothing similar to fear; you, for whom no time of life is a time of constraint or boredom; you, who look forward to the day without disquiet and to the night without impatience—come, my happy and good natured pupil, come and console us.9
Look at Rousseau’s scene closely. Overlook its sexual innuendo and you notice the effusion is couched entirely in negatives. The teacher has no positive expectations at all; he promises an absence of pain, boredom, and ill-temper, just what Prozac delivers. Emile’s instructor says the boy likes him because he knows "he will never be a long time without distraction" and because "we never depend on each other."
This idea of negation is striking. Nobody owes anybody anything; obligation and duty are illusions. Emile isn’t happy; he’s "the opposite of the unhappy child." Emile will learn "to commit himself to the habit of not contracting any habits." He will have no passionately held commitments, no outside interests, no enthusiasms, and no significant relationships other than with the tutor. He must void his memory of everything but the immediate moment, as children raised in adoption and foster care are prone to do. He is to feel, not think. He is to be emptied in preparation for his initiation as a mindless article of nature.
The similarity of all this to a drugged state dawns on the critical reader. Emile is to find negative freedom—freedom from attachment, freedom from danger, freedom from duty and responsibility, etc. But Rousseau scrupulously avoids a question anybody might ask: What is this freedom for? What is its point?
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sixgunsue
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Just to clarify for anyone else reading, this is not John Gatto's writing it's an observation by him of someone else's.
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buffalo_girl
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I don't know if you noticed the Blog on the Expelled site. Ben Stein is taking a beating from the Darwinists.
Are there any lucid and articulate LDS Freedom writers out there who could take up the sword in defense of Ben Stein's right to believe in Intelligent Design.
I think AussieOi could do a marvelous job with his double edged sarcasm.
Are there any lucid and articulate LDS Freedom writers out there who could take up the sword in defense of Ben Stein's right to believe in Intelligent Design.
I think AussieOi could do a marvelous job with his double edged sarcasm.
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sixgunsue
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I'm sure there are a few around here that could do it.
They seem to be trying to make him prove I.D., when really he just seeks the right to have it as an optional theory.
They don't seem to be able to prove their theories any better.
It's about the right to hear both.
They seem to be trying to make him prove I.D., when really he just seeks the right to have it as an optional theory.
They don't seem to be able to prove their theories any better.
It's about the right to hear both.
