The significance of a middle name...

[Stephen]

Why when we give blessings...do we ask for the middle name?

Is that rooted in LDS culture?

....or perhaps is there doctrinal backing to it?

What is the origin of that practice?

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

It's for the recording angels, they get pretty uptight when they can't fill out every line on their forms!

[Mindfields]

Or perhaps at final judgement God can use your "full" name as he chastises you just as you mother did when you were younger.

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

Since people use the middle initial of H for deity when they take the Lord's name in vain (or try to), turnabout is just fair play when as you say, they are called to task by their middle names. Perhaps middle names are to humble us?

Welcome Mindfields!

[ShineOn]

Or perhaps at final judgement God can use your "full" name as he chastises you just as you mother did when you were younger.

Lol! There ya go.

I think it's just to address someone by their complete name. It's formal and official.

[Stephen]

You'all are too funny!

I agree it is "formal and official".

Welcome Mindfields.

[buffalo_girl]

When our oldest son was named I decided not to give him a middle name. I felt that his given name was so powerful it needed to stand alone. He is in his 30's and can't quite forgive me yet.

As a very young child he wanted the name "Jason". In his 20's, "Zedekiah". Awhile back I told him to have his name legally changed or add whatever middle name he chooses. Hasn't yet.

It's our last name the Lord will stumble over.

[CHH]

My full name given me by my grandfather is:

Jonathan Joel Jeremiah Timothy Ty Soby Cy Walter Henry Peter Sim Reuben Rufus Solomon Jim Nathanael Daniel Abraham Roderic Frederick Peter Sam Hyman Simon Nicholas Pat Christopher Dick Jehoshaphat.

I love it when Cops have to write my whole name when they try to give me a ticket.

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

Buffalo_girl,

Given that this thread is about names I had to comment that I cringe every time I refer to you as Buffalo_girl knowing where you got the name. Is there something more ennobling I can refer to you by here?

[Stephen]

CHH!!

That's my name too! Whenever I go out...the people always shout singing Jonathan Joel Jeremiah..etc...etc...dah dah da dah dahh dah dah.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

My full name given me by my grandfather is:

Jonathan Joel Jeremiah Timothy Ty Soby Cy Walter Henry Peter Sim Reuben Rufus Solomon Jim Nathanael Daniel Abraham Roderic Frederick Peter Sam Hyman Simon Nicholas Pat Christopher Dick Jehoshaphat.

I love it when Cops have to write my whole name when they try to give me a ticket.

HA HA HA

[buffalo_girl]

I cringe every time I refer to you as Buffalo_girl knowing where you got the name

Why do you cringe? That's the name I gave my favorite 2006 lamb! She is beautiful, has gorgeous cafe au lait colored long wool, and has a great personality. She's an 'in your face' kind of sheep with an air of entitlement.

Let me pretend, Swiss & Pitch.

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

I cringe perhaps because I am too far removed from livestock and cannot see the same nobility that I can see in you and other people. Perhaps it is the language barrier, I don't speak or understand sheep, though my cat is excellent, my raven improving, my dog passable...

[buffalo_girl]

my raven improving

Ah...

Living so near the Plains People and my own lifetime of animal co-existence lends itself to taking on names inspired by the four-leggeds and wingeds. You need to read Black Elk Speaks. Black Elk - a Lakota holy man who lived through the Wounded Knee massacre in 1890 - had a vision of the Christ and was introduced to Him by The Father.

We have 'One Feather', 'Red Horse', 'Two Furs', 'Eagle', 'Little Owl', 'Bull Bear', 'Long Chase', 'Red Fox', 'Black Bird', 'Thunder Hawk', 'Two Bears', 'Bear Ribs', 'Black Cloud', and just plain 'Buffalo' - to name a few - in our Ward.

My grandfather had a crow when I was very young. It was a mischievous miserly creature who had it in for me.

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

I have always loved their perspective on the attributes of nature and their incorporation into daily life. I read something about one tribe that looked at the beaver as great among animals as the creator because he will take a section of stream with little life, dam it off and create a whole world where life thrives. I think there is something in all of us that want to identify with the attributes of beauty around them, thus the ever popular white custom of "getting an Indian name." Perhaps naming is one of the foolish traditions of our fathers as a Smith no longer forges, a Forester no longer is a park ranger, etc...

For what it's worth I was named after Miss Potter's frog of angling fame so I guess I have that in common with the frog clan that used to frequent these parts.

[Stephen]

The origin of my name is one part cool one part creepy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix

(don't look too closely at paintings to the right)

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

And here I thought your parents were just Fleetwood Mac fans!

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

I have already told the story about my first and middle name.

My Grandmother and cousin both named me "Great Spirit" as my Cherokee name.

[CHH]

CHH!!

That's my name too! Whenever I go out...the people always shout singing Jonathan Joel Jeremiah..etc...etc...dah dah da dah dahh dah dah.

That's John Jacob Jingle Hymer Smith.

[CHH]

I have already told the story about my first and middle name. :)

My Grandmother and cousin both named me "Great Spirit" as my Cherokee name.

I am a member of the Pembina Tribe. My name in the Tribe is Wiikwaji'o

It means: "He tries to get free"

Oh what fun it is to have the ability to make your own Identification cards.

Me a name I call myself.

And remember that you all were given another name in the temple too that you cannot tell anyone about.

There is NOTHING illegal about giving yourself other names. If it was illegal most Movie Stars would be arrested.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

I have already told the story about my first and middle name.

My Grandmother and cousin both named me "Great Spirit" as my Cherokee name.

I am a member of the Pembina Tribe. My name in the Tribe is Wiikwaji'o

It means: "He tries to get free"

Oh what fun it is to have the ability to make your own Identification cards.

Me a name I call myself.

And remember that you all were given another name in the temple too that you cannot tell anyone about.

There is NOTHING illegal about giving yourself other names. If it was illegal most Movie Stars would be arrested.

AWESOME NAME!

[CHH]

I have already told the story about my first and middle name. :)

My Grandmother and cousin both named me "Great Spirit" as my Cherokee name.

I am a member of the Pembina Tribe. My name in the Tribe is Wiikwaji'o

It means: "He tries to get free"

Oh what fun it is to have the ability to make your own Identification cards.

Me a name I call myself.

And remember that you all were given another name in the temple too that you cannot tell anyone about.

There is NOTHING illegal about giving yourself other names. If it was illegal most Movie Stars would be arrested.

AWESOME NAME!

Cops hate it when I use that one and have no ID and tell them i am not required to Carry ID while walking. When they ask my birth date I say I don't know as I was very young when I was born. They demand a Social Secuirty Number and I tell them that Native Americans are not required to have a Social Secuirty Number. they don't like that one either. Then I hand them my lawyers card and tell them if they have any more questions to call my attorney.

Of course that is just ONE of the thing that I do with Cops. PIGS that they are. Did I ever tell you what I like about Cops?... Nothing.

[CHH]

Bizhiki means Buffalo

[Stephen]

I have already told the story about my first and middle name.

My Grandmother and cousin both named me "Great Spirit" as my Cherokee name.

I am a member of the Pembina Tribe. My name in the Tribe is Wiikwaji'o

It means: "He tries to get free"

Oh what fun it is to have the ability to make your own Identification cards.

Me a name I call myself.

And remember that you all were given another name in the temple too that you cannot tell anyone about.

There is NOTHING illegal about giving yourself other names. If it was illegal most Movie Stars would be arrested.

AWESOME NAME!

Cops hate it when I use that one and have no ID and tell them i am not required to Carry ID while walking. When they ask my birth date I say I don't know as I was very young when I was born. They demand a Social Secuirty Number and I tell them that Native Americans are not required to have a Social Secuirty Number. they don't like that one either. Then I hand them my lawyers card and tell them if they have any more questions to call my attorney.

Of course that is just ONE of the thing that I do with Cops. PIGS that they are. Did I ever tell you what I like about Cops?... Nothing.

Expound on the "american indians are not required to have SS numbers". I have Cherokee ancestry. Perhaps I should be "workin' it" to establish that connection to get some special treatment!

[CHH]

Expound on the "american indians are not required to have SS numbers". I have Cherokee ancestry. Perhaps I should be "workin' it" to establish that connection to get some special treatment!

No one is required to have a SSN. That includes American Indians.

The only people REQUIRED to have SSNs are aliens working the US because that is a privileged occupation.

Federal employees are also required because that is a Congressionally granted right. Anyone with a Congressionally granted and Created right is a Taxpayer. that is why Taxpayers have to pay Taxes.

Non-taxpayers do not.

We know that Tax Court is a particularized tribunal and that only taxpayers can go to Tax Court. Therefore to be a “taxpayer” an American must have accepted a right created by federal statute or substantial inroads into functions that have traditionally been performed by the Judiciary would have been transferred to Tax Court which would be an unwarranted encroachment upon the judicial power of the United States, which our Constitution reserves for Art. III courts. The Supreme Court ruled:

Although Crowell and Raddatz do not explicitly distinguish between rights created by Congress and other rights, such a distinction underlies in part Crowell's and Raddatz' recognition of a critical difference between rights created by federal statute and rights recognized by the Constitution. Moreover, such a distinction seems to us to be necessary in light of the delicate accommodations required by the principle of separation of powers reflected in Art. III. The constitutional system of checks and balances is designed to guard against “encroachment or aggrandizement” by Congress at the expense of the other branches of government. Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S., at 122, 96 S.Ct., at 683. But when Congress creates a statutory right, it clearly has the discretion, in defining that right, to create presumptions, or assign burdens of proof, or prescribe remedies; it may also provide that persons seeking to vindicate that right must do so before particularized tribunals created to perform the specialized adjudicative tasks related to that right. Such provisions do, in a sense, affect the exercise of judicial power, but they are also incidental to Congress' power to define the right that it has created. No comparable justification exists, however, when the right being adjudicated is not of congressional creation. In such a situation, substantial inroads into functions that have traditionally been performed by the Judiciary cannot be characterized merely as incidental extensions of Congress' power to define rights that it has created. Rather, such inroads suggest unwarranted encroachments upon the judicial power of the United States, which our Constitution reserves for Art. III courts.

Northern Pipeline Const. Co. v. Marathon Pipe Line Co. 458 U.S. 50, *83-84, (1982)

Only taxpayers can go to Tax Court

In Economy Plumbing & Heating Co., Inc. v. U. S. 470 F.2d 585, *589 (Ct.Cl.,1972) we learn that everyone is not a taxpayer.

“All taxpayers who have overpaid their taxes are within this system and must follow the appropriate procedures and regulations, including the timely filing of claims for refunds for overpayment of taxes, if they are to have the benefits of the system. On the other hand, persons who are not taxpayers are not within the system and can obtain no benefit by following the procedures prescribed for taxpayers, such as the filing of claims for refunds…
“They [the revenue laws] relate to taxpayers, and not to nontaxpayers. The latter are without their scope. No procedure is prescribed for nontaxpayers, and no attempt is made to annul any of their rights and remedies in due course of law.”

In Brodey v. U.S. we see clearly that the word “Taxpayer” is a “word of art” and does not mean everyone but only a person subject to any internal revenue tax. So if you are not subject to the tax you are not a taxpayer. We can find no evidence at law that we are taxpayers as defined in 26 U.S.C. if only because there is not a single statute that clearly identifies who is a “person made liable” and because the word dollar is undefined and a Taxpayer must reach a specific “dollar” amount of another poorly defined word, “income” before they become a taxpayer.

“26 U.S.C. § 7701. Definitions
“(a) When used in this title, when not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof-
“(14) Taxpayer.-The term “taxpayer” means any person subject to any internal revenue tax.
“‘Taxpayer’ as a Term of Art”

Brodey v. U.S. 788 F.Supp. 44, *46 (D.Mass.,1991)

So if you are not involved in a Congressionally created right you are not a Taxpayer and to claim to be one COULD ACTUALLY BE A FELONY.

So you had best consider whether or not you are committing a Felony and start following the 12th Article of Faith.