LDS Freedom Forum

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 8:25 am**

So here is the discussion I had last week with some family members.

Let's say that you get married and then sealed in the temple and both husband and wife live up to their covenants. They are not perfect and each have flaws but live the best they can. Though the marriage did not end in divorce and in fact produced several children all of whom live the gospel the best they could.

Husband and wife mostly love each other yet, however, one (husband or wife) thinks that the earthly trial though needed was not really what they aspired to. The marriage was not really that great. They stayed together because of the law and wanting to keep their covenants. Yet, the truly and deep love or the love of Christ is not really in the heart of one of the persons. While on earth, the relationship worked and there was some joy and of course with all relationships lots of pain. Maybe more pain than joy for one of the persons involved.

So Does that person lets say the wife, does the wife HAVE to stay sealed to that man? Can it be loosed because one of the sides does not really want to stay in that relationship.

We have been told that a wife may choose a higher priesthood man as a husband.

Most importantly a sealing is not for real sealed until the HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE seals it. Both parties are given that holy sealing feeling and both parties are 100% sure that is what they want to make them happy.

So, say the wife is like you know it worked, we made it to the CK. But I'm not prepared to go through all eternity with you as my husband. I don't think you treated me the best you could of and I can not be happy knowing what we went through. I don't want to be your first wife for all eternity. I want to find someone better.

So can a wife or husband say, emmm I want another one, this one was good for the time but it was not really all that?

Can a wife ask for an unsealing and then do they go to the newly build celestial bar of resurrected eternal life getter to look for a new man?

The sealing is not official until the spirit says it is. And if it has not been sealed then it can be unsealed. She can look for a new man that may have higher priesthood or is a greater light than the old on.

Point in case, before we were born we where with God and we were all intelligences, however, not all of use are as great (or as bright) as others. We know Jesus was the greatest of them all. He was a morning star. Of course one of the morning stars was Lucifer as well. So I have no idea how bright I really am. Am I bright enough to keep my woman? Or when she sees others who are brighter does she have the chance to move up?

Also, the fact is that God has many wives. The fact is that men will have many wives. The fact is that this is the natural order of things. We knew this before we came to this earth but have only forgotten. We knew Father had many wives. To take a second wife the first wife has to agree. To take a third wife the first and the second wife have to agree and so on. Everyone in the family has to agree to the additional person. So does this process go on forever? Does Father have 1000s of wives? How many is too many? Does a woman have the ability to say no this man is not for me because I just don't feel it anymore, now being a resurrected eternal life being now?

I find it a fascinating topic. What we thought was sealed could not really be sealed.

So say that a wife dies and yet a husband is still on earth? The husband starts thinking did I really treat my wife the way I should of. Will she want to marry someone else? Is she up there "dating" other potential mates?

This game may not be over yet. Also, the judgement and resurrection may have some future heart ache in store. I thought you wanted me forever, until she says, well not really now I can move up or at least I can move to a new person that I truly love deep in her heart.

No one is forced to stay in a sealed marriage. That is one eternal law. Force is not an option, both have to fully agree to the sealing. And we all know that on this earth we sometimes make mistakes.

Does anyone have any further light and knowledge on this subject?

Thanks.

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 9:51 am**

There is no coercion or compulsion in the LDS sealing. Righteous women will have the final say whose priesthood they will claim and who they will choose to spend eternity with.

Yes, LDS men should really think hard about how they treat their wife. With the priesthood, there is nothing but the power of love that seals them together.

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 9:58 am**

D&C 132:7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.

This includes a temple sealing. In fact, it is more accurate to say that there is no sealing AT ALL until sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise. The temple is practice or a symbol of the real thing.

D&C121:46 The Holy Ghost shall be thy constant companion, and thy scepter an unchanging scepter of righteousness and truth; and thy dominion shall be an everlasting dominion, and without compulsory means it shall flow unto thee forever and ever.

There is no compulsion in the Celestial Kingdom. A wife will not be compelled to stay with a husband at all. If someone is righteous enough people (wife) will choose to be with him.

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 10:44 am**

We really don't know how everything is going to play out personally after this life. We may get back there and find that the person we promised our selves to in the preexistance ended up marrying someone else.

I don't think that a woman will simply pick another man because he is 'brighter' in glory. Doesn't it say in D&C when describing the types of people to inherit the different kingdoms that those on the celestrial will be one as the sun is one. Then those in the next will be the same brightness as the moon, and the lowest is where you find the different glories or brightness just as the stars have varying degrees of brightness.
Maybe someone here knows the reference?

I have mentioned this to husband: I think the only reason I would choose to be with someone else in the next life is if When I get there, there is someone else who I have a deeper committment to from the preexistance. If this is the case, I believe that there would be someone else better for him as well.
My husband treats me well and we believe that we were meant to be together, but we won't know for sure I guess untill the next life.

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 11:11 am**

I have no solid answers for you, only thoughts that came to mind while reading. Take them as you see fit.

7cylon7 wrote:They stayed together because of the law and wanting to keep their covenants.

Do the laws and covenants change in the next life?

7cylon7 wrote:While on earth, the relationship worked and there was some joy and of course with all relationships lots of pain. Maybe more pain than joy for one of the persons involved.

So, say the wife is like you know it worked, we made it to the CK. But I'm not prepared to go through all eternity with you as my husband. I don't think you treated me the best you could of and I can not be happy knowing what we went through. I don't want to be your first wife for all eternity. I want to find someone better.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

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"The third thing we can do is understand the principle of compensation. The Lord compensates the faithful for every loss. That which is taken away from those who love the Lord will be added unto them in His own way. While it may not come at the time we desire, the faithful will know that every tear today will eventually be returned a hundredfold with tears of rejoicing and gratitude."

7cylon7 wrote: To take a second wife the first wife has to agree. To take a third wife the first and the second wife have to agree and so on. Everyone in the family has to agree to the additional person.

D&C 132:64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

7cylon7 wrote:No one is forced to stay in a sealed marriage. That is one eternal law. Force is not an option, both have to fully agree to the sealing. And we all know that on this earth we sometimes make mistakes.

That may be true but will they be allowed an equal opportunity if they leave?
Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 12:38 pm**

Remember the scripture about being judged on the thoughts and intents of your heart. By your thoughts and words and deeds you will be judged.

You are right, all ordinances are of no effect until they are sealed upon us by the holy spirit of promise. Until then, we only have a promise of said blessings. A couple that does not deeply and truly love each other and have open hearts full of forgiveness will never be able to have their sealed unto them. I highly doubt you would change your mind after being filled with the pure love of Christ toward each other. Once that occurs, all weaknesses and shortcomings fade into the noise of mortality, as you share an eternal view as couple made one in the eternities through Christ.

Moral of the story, don't worry about having to back out of a bad marriage. However you may need to remember if you sought the Lord about getting into it.

Now some personal insight. People who have such questions are having problems in their marriage. Tell them to do this:

Think back to when you got engaged. The very moment. You were so in love with that person that you wanted to spend forever with that person. Then life happens. You did not know how hard marriage would be. Your spouse did not know how hard it would be. Pretend like they are the person you love in life more than any other human on earth. Give them more mercy and more grace than they deserve. Everyday, ponder on a time when you were both deeply in love and had a "moment" together where you wanted it to last forever. Maybe a day on vacation, or feeling the spirit at the same time in a sacrament meeting or something. You will quickly find more peace and love than you have had before. You will now be able to grow closer together. The only exception is in cases of serious abuse. I say serious, because withholding anything in a marriage is abuse.

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 1:06 pm**

7cylon7 wrote:So, say the wife is like you know it worked, we made it to the CK. But I'm not prepared to go through all eternity with you as my husband. I don't think you treated me the best you could of and I can not be happy knowing what we went through. I don't want to be your first wife for all eternity. I want to find someone better.

I believe I have the JD quote by Brigham Young at home, but what he said is essentially this:

If a man is righteous and is brought into the celestial kingdom, nothing will be taken away from him without his consent. If his wife falls short of celestial glory, it becomes his choice whether he will claim her or not.

If the woman is righteous and the husband falls short, she will be given to one that is worthy and acceptable to her. I have seen nothing to suggest that if they're both brought to celestial glory together that she can simply shop around for the best deal. I suspect that won't be an issue; a couple that goes to the celestial kingdom together have most likely figured out how to get along and love each other.

I do recall another quote by Pres. Young where he strongly suggested to the women that their top priority in seeking a mate should be to find the most priesthood worthy man they could find, above any other consideration. Unfortunately, that rarely seems to be the case.

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 2:59 pm**

I don't think that a woman will simply pick another man because he is 'brighter' in glory. Doesn't it say in D&C when describing the types of people to inherit the different kingdoms that those on the celestrial will be one as the sun is one. Then those in the next will be the same brightness as the moon, and the lowest is where you find the different glories or brightness just as the stars have varying degrees of brightness.
Maybe someone here knows the reference?

D&C 76:
96 And the glory of the celestial is one, even as the glory of the sun is one.

97 And the glory of the terrestrial is one, even as the glory of the moon is one.

98 And the glory of the telestial is one, even as the glory of the stars is one; for as one star differs from another star in glory, even so differs one from another in glory in the telestial world;

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 3:10 pm**

HeirofNumenor wrote:
I don't think that a woman will simply pick another man because he is 'brighter' in glory. Doesn't it say in D&C when describing the types of people to inherit the different kingdoms that those on the celestrial will be one as the sun is one. Then those in the next will be the same brightness as the moon, and the lowest is where you find the different glories or brightness just as the stars have varying degrees of brightness.
Maybe someone here knows the reference?

D&C 76:
96 And the glory of the celestial is one, even as the glory of the sun is one.

97 And the glory of the terrestrial is one, even as the glory of the moon is one.

98 And the glory of the telestial is one, even as the glory of the stars is one; for as one star differs from another star in glory, even so differs one from another in glory in the telestial world;

Thanks! I couln't remeber the reference. So, referencing the initial statement, I don't think the woman will be looking for anyone with a brighter glory in the celestrial kingdom. We will have plenty of time to progress in the celestrial world both in intelligence (mysteries of God) and acceptance of all further laws. I don't think there will be many, maybe none, who are ready to start creating their own worlds for sometime. My point is, husband and wife can progress together. He or she shouln't be dumped if they were both able to get there. IMO

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 3:19 pm**

I want my husband. I don't want anyone else. Guess I am the weird one here.

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 3:20 pm**

Joseph Smith is said to have taught for men to "treat their wives well, for when it comes time to call her name at the veil so you can walk into the Celestial Kingdom together - you may call her name, but she may choose not to answer you" (no source readily available).

And from Elder Richard G. Scott, Gen. Conf. April 2009

http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2 ... d?lang=eng

Realize that a sealing ordinance is not enduring until after it is sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise. Both individuals must be worthy and want the sealing to be eternal.

In January 1988, I was in Salinas, Utah. I met a divorced man in his late 50's-early 60's whose (now) ex-wife had not too long before had left him to run after some wealthy man who had some sort of business(?) dealings with her. For some reason she got it into her head that this rich man would marry her and she could live an expensive lifestyle. Of course the man wanted nothing to do with her. So she came crawling back to her husband and demanded he take her back, stating that since they had a temple sealing - he is forced to take her back and he'll be stuck with her in eternity. He told me that a GA 70 came to town afterwards, so he explained his situation to him, as well as his ex-wife's declaration. The GA stated "You WON'T be in the Celestial Kingdom with someone you don't want to be with." (I have no idea who the 70 was).

Now this can be doctrine, it can be his (70's) opinion -

it can also mean "No, YOU won't be in the Celestial Kingdom because your heart isn't Christ-like enough to forgive the woman you married."

This concerns me, because my parents are in their 80's, and they each have their personal problems. My dad can be indifferent and demanding, and my mom dearly wants to study the Gospel with him, but he has never been into that, never has any desire to hunger for spiritual meat (and likewise he has no power when he gives blessings)...anyway, she tells me that she is afraid that she will choose to not be with my dad in the next life. I can't blame her, though she has done her share of divisive things also...

I personally want to have the love that Elder Scott poignantly expresses for his deceased wife in that talk I quoted above (and almost all other talks he gives):

Fourteen years ago the Lord decided it was not necessary for my wife to live any longer on the earth, and He took her to the other side of the veil. I confess that there are times when it is difficult not to be able to turn and talk to her, but I do not complain. The Lord has allowed me, at important moments in my life, to feel her influence through the veil.

What I am trying to teach is that when we keep the temple covenants we have made and when we live righteously in order to maintain the blessings promised by those ordinances, then come what may, we have no reason to worry or to feel despondent.

I know that I will have the privilege of being with that beautiful wife, whom I love with all my heart, and with those children who are with her on the other side of the veil because of the ordinances that are performed in the temple. What a blessing to have once again on the earth the sealing authority, not only for this mortal life but for the eternities. I am grateful that the Lord has restored His gospel in its fulness, including the ordinances that are required for us to be happy in the world and to live everlastingly happy lives in the hereafter.

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 3:27 pm**

I want mine too! Don't worry you are not the only one. I can't imagine someone better for me than he is. He is humble, clean from the world, hard working, righteous, sweet to me and our son, and has his priorities right! Plus, hes tall dark and hansome. I fell like a lucky woman.

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 9:12 pm**

I believe that no one will achieve Exaltation (eternal marriage) unless they have developed Christlike unconditional true love for their spouse, 'in this life'. By serving their spouse's desires, needs and welfare above their own.

I believe it is only such love for our spouse that really 'seals' our marriage with the Holy Spirit of Promise, even if our spouse doesn't have such love for us yet. I believe it only takes one spouse to save a marriage for eternity, and the other will eventually repent in the next life, if not here and will desire to keep their covenants and love and serve their spouse forever.

Thus to think that we would even want to choose another or not want to be with our spouse in the next life, is completely out of the question, especially since all spouses will repent in Spirit Prison and then be the perfect wife or husband for all eternity.

But that doesn't mean all marriages will be eternal, for it is rare for even one spouse to have real true unconditional love for the other in this life, even if they never divorce. I believe at least one spouse has to have this kind of love, this charity, for their spouse, to be worthy of Exaltation and to save the other spouse or their errant children.

Without Charity, Christlike love, we are nothing and powerless.

"For the unbelieving husband is sanctified (saved) by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; else were your children unclean (unsaved); but now they are holy."
But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases; but God hath called us to peace (to love, to have true love).
For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?"
1 Cor. 7:14-16

I also don't believe Heavenly Father has multiple wives. I don't believe there will be any polygamy in the Millennium or Celestial Kingdom. I believe all women who are worthy of exaltation will have their own husband all to themselves throughout eternity.

I believe Exaltation is an exclusive eternal true love relationship, that we prove worthy of by our love and service to our spouse on earth. No spouse can resist our true love forever. As even Joseph Smith restated, "True love conquers all". It is the greatest force in the universe and the power by which souls are saved.

I believe men are required to be just as true and faithful with 'exclusive love' for their wife, as women are for their husband.

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 9:20 pm**

awake wrote: repeat

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 10:41 pm**

Nan wrote:I want my husband. I don't want anyone else. Guess I am the weird one here.

Well, you may be weird, that's true :ymsmug: .
Despite myself, I know my wife will be faithful to me while I'm still working out my own salvation, however long that takes! We've made promises before God, angels and witnesses. Sure, it may take some patience and forgiveness (charity!) but it will all work out.
What's stopping my wife from "moving up" today? Heaven knows she settled for less but she gave herself to ME! and I accepted HER! The promises were made in the Temple. I highly doubt there will be any spouse swapping in the great hereafter. It's simply contrary to the Gospel! A spouse wouldn't look to move up. He/She would have charity to the one covenants were already made to and if she/he didn't have that charity then what makes him/her special enough to be accepted by anyone else? It may just turn out that her lousy husband ends up a King after all!

Did you ever read about a frog who dreamed of being a king and then became one? -Neil diamond

Posted: **June 22nd, 2012, 10:50 pm**

awake wrote: I also don't believe Heavenly Father has multiple wives. I don't believe there will be any polygamy in the Millennium or Celestial Kingdom. I believe all women who are worthy of exaltation will have their own husband all to themselves throughout eternity.

I once read a theory on this site a few yrs ago that claimed a woman can find a better husband in the CK and once her earthly husband repents he'll be a ministering angel to the wife and her new husband (like that wouldn't be a living Hell!! :ymdevil: ).
I'm glad to see that you don't believe that.

Posted: **June 23rd, 2012, 4:21 am**

shadow wrote: I once read a theory on this site a few yrs ago that claimed a woman can find a better husband in the CK and once her earthly husband repents he'll be a ministering angel to the wife and her new husband (like that wouldn't be a living Hell!! :ymdevil: ).

True, it would be awful. I doubt any men would want done to them, let alone put up with, what men expect women to put up with in polygamy.

Thus I believe the Golden Rule, which is the basis for all the laws and the Prophets, disproves polygamy.

For just like men would not want to tag along with a wife and her new husband/s for eternity, it would be just as horrible for a woman to have to do such, here or in heaven.

Posted: **June 23rd, 2012, 7:13 am**

awake wrote:
shadow wrote: I once read a theory on this site a few yrs ago that claimed a woman can find a better husband in the CK and once her earthly husband repents he'll be a ministering angel to the wife and her new husband (like that wouldn't be a living Hell!! :ymdevil: ).
True, it would be awful. I doubt any men would want done to them, let alone put up with, what men expect women to put up with in polygamy.

Thus I believe the Golden Rule, which is the basis for all the laws and the Prophets, disproves polygamy.

For just like men would not want to tag along with a wife and her new husband/s for eternity, it would be just as horrible for a woman to have to do such, here or in heaven.

Problem is, the God that established the universe seems to have instilled a certain Darwinistic approach to even those things spiritual. Let me explain.

I just took my daughter for a walk in the woods. I pointed out a spot where I tree had died and three small trees had taken hold of the spot. I asked her what would eventually happen. She was able to explain that eventually the strongest tree would crowd the other two out and eventually only that tree would survive.

Now some might say that this is a fallen world and this is not the way things work. Yet the message of the Parable of the Ten Talents would suggest otherwise. The person who invests little if anything gets caste away while the one who used talents and magnified them gets more -- including what the timid servant had in the first place. Might that also apply to polygamy? Might the man who doesn't like kids, who told his wife that she could only have a couple of children, or none at all, have that wife taken away and given to the man who was willing to sacrifice to raise up a righteous posterity with his wife?

I have also seen many LDS temple marriages in which the couple were a perfect copy of the relationship between Mr and Mrs. Olsson on "Little House on the Prairie." I suspect that the men in such relationships who endure and try their best to shower love and commitment to their wife will be rewarded with her as well as additional wives who will treat him the way he should be.

Posted: **June 23rd, 2012, 7:21 am**

I have a question...what about those men who have been sealed to 2 wives here on earth?
Also, my husband was telling me that marriage and sealings must be performed on earth, that they are are first done on earth. So, if polygamy does exist or a person wants an eternal partner they must be first sealed on earth. Right?
I believe that this stuff will all be getting worked out in the millenium when all righteous are on earth during christs 1000 year rule. Does this make sense or any other opinions?

Posted: **June 23rd, 2012, 1:27 pm**

For the time being we have our wives, children, farms and other possessions, but unless we prove ourselves worthy, what we seem to have will be taken from us and given to those who are worthy, consequently we need not worry with regard to the defects, you need not have the least concern in the world about meeting a man in the celestial kingdom that you, if you are worthy and are so happy as to get into the celestial kingdom, can not fellowship; and if you should happen to be the one that is in fault and you cannot pass the sentinel, and your neighbor or brother does, he will not see you there, you need not be concerned in the least about being joined to any person by the holy sealing power, that will not do right in the next world.

I say to my sisters in the kingdom, who are sealed to men, and who say, "We do not want this man in eternity if he is going to conduct himself there as he does here" - there is not the least danger in the world of your ever seeing him in eternity or of his seeing you there if he proves himself unworthy here. But if he honors his Priesthood, and you are to blame and come short of doing your duty, and prove yourself unworthy of celestial glory, it will be left to him to do what he pleases with you. You will be very glad to get to him if you find the fault was in yourself and not in him. But if you are not at fault, be not troubled about being joined to him there, for no man will have the privilege of gathering his wives and children around him there unless he proves himself worthy of them.

JD 17:120, Brigham Young, June 28, 1874

Posted: **June 23rd, 2012, 1:33 pm**

Gotta love the way Brigham Young just laid it out like it is and never worried about how to make things politically correct to either the world or to members.

Posted: **June 23rd, 2012, 1:35 pm**

I have said a number of times, and I will say again, to you ladies who want to get a bill of divorce from your husbands, because they do not treat you right, or because you do not exactly like their ways, there is a principe upon which a woman can leave a man, but if the man honors his Priesthood, it will be pretty hard work for you to get away from him. If he is just and right, serves God and is full of justice, love, mercy and truth, he will have the power that is sealed upon him, and will do what he pleases with you.

When you want to get a bill of divorce, you had better wait and find out whether the Lord is willing to give you one or not, and not come to me. I tell the brethren and sisters, when they come to me and want a bill of divorce, that I am ready to seal people and administer in the ordinances, and they are welcome to my services, but when they undertake to break the commandments and tear to pieces the doings of the Lord, I make them give me something. I tell a man he has to give me ten dollars if he wants a divorce. For what? My services? No, for his foolishness. If you want a bill of divorce give me ten dollars, so that I can put it down in the book that such a man and such a woman have dissolved partnership. Do you think you have obtained a bill of divorce? No, nor ever can if you are faithful to the covenants you have made.

It takes a higher power than a bill of divorce to take a woman from a man who is a good man and honors his Priesthood - it must be a man who possesses a higher power in the Priesthood, or else the woman is bound to her husband, and will be forever and ever. You might as well ask me for a piece of blank paper for a divorce, as to have a little writing on it, saying - "We mutually agree to dissolve partnership and keep ourselves apart from each other," &c. It is all nonsense and folly; there is no such thing in the ordinances of the house of God; you cannot find any such law. It is true Jesus told the people that a man could put away his wife for fornication, but for nothing short of this. There is a law for you to be obedient, and humble and faithful.

JD 17:120 - p.121, Brigham Young, June 28, 1874

Posted: **June 23rd, 2012, 1:38 pm**

Never were a people upon the face of the earth since the Priesthood was among men, so bound together as we are being bound; and this is the glorious feature of the tie that binds us together; it can only operate upon those who are righteous; it can only have effect when righteousness prevails and where people live in such a manner as to receive the promises of God. A man who practices wrong may have all these blessings pronounced upon him; he may have been baptized and have had hands laid upon him; he may go through the Temple and have wives sealed to him and have every blessing promised unto him that is promised to the most faithful of the children of God, and yet if he does not live so as to be worthy of these blessings he will not receive them; he will, sooner or later, be bereft of them and left destitute.

JD 26:251 - p.252, George Q. Cannon, October 18th, 1884

Posted: **June 23rd, 2012, 5:15 pm**

awake wrote:
shadow wrote: I once read a theory on this site a few yrs ago that claimed a woman can find a better husband in the CK and once her earthly husband repents he'll be a ministering angel to the wife and her new husband (like that wouldn't be a living Hell!! :ymdevil: ).
True, it would be awful. I doubt any men would want done to them, let alone put up with, what men expect women to put up with in polygamy.

Thus I believe the Golden Rule, which is the basis for all the laws and the Prophets, disproves polygamy.

For just like men would not want to tag along with a wife and her new husband/s for eternity, it would be just as horrible for a woman to have to do such, here or in heaven.

That particular theory is nothing like polygamy where the wives are queens and priestesses and equal with their husband and share in all the blessings. Being a ministering angel to your spouse and his/her new wife/husband is what I was referring to. I've never cared for polygamy (my head isn't buried in the sand about it either!), but the whole concubine thing, that would be more similar to what I was referring to. But even a concubine can help create children. What would a #2 (no pun intended) husband do? Mow the lawn? Change the diapers of your children?? There's certainly no purpose in being involved in the marriage, unlike multiple wives.

Posted: **June 23rd, 2012, 7:15 pm**

awake wrote:Thus I believe the Golden Rule, which is the basis for all the laws and the Prophets, disproves polygamy.

For just like men would not want to tag along with a wife and her new husband/s for eternity, it would be just as horrible for a woman to have to do such, here or in heaven.

Just a quick question for you or anyone else who believes polygamy is wrong at any time and is not practiced in the celestial kingdom, how does that reflect in your mind on church leaders who are known to have practiced it for 50+ years? It's one thing to say it's wrong and Joseph Smith didn't do it (despite what history says), but what about all those who did? Were they in error? Will they be punished?

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