Hello everyone,
is someone can explain me the true meaning of the verse John 4:24 (God is a Spirit) ?
I saw in the JST : "For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth."
But I don't know how to translate this sentence in french...I don't really understand this english sentence.
Often, this verse is quoted to prove that God cannot be a man...and I don't really know what explanation I can give.
Thanks for your help.
Frenkois.
John 4:24
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Mark
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Re: John 4:24
Frenkois wrote:Hello everyone,
is someone can explain me the true meaning of the verse John 4:24 (God is a Spirit) ?
I saw in the JST : "For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth."
But I don't know how to translate this sentence in french...I don't really understand this english sentence.
Often, this verse is quoted to prove that God cannot be a man...and I don't really know what explanation I can give.
Thanks for your help.
Frenkois.
Nephi answers that for you very well in I Nephi 13:20-36.
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Frenkois
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Re: John 4:24
In quoting 1 Nephi 13:20-36, you mean that teachings in Bible have been altered ? And so John 4:24 is false ?
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livy111us
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Re: John 4:24
Here are some of my notes on the topic:
In the King James Version you will notice the word “is” is italicized. This is because the
King James translators have inserted it on their own-it is not present in the Greek text from
which the translation was made. Second, the reader should be made aware that the indefinite
article “a” is not present in the Greek text either and has also been added at the discretion of the
translators ("The Gospel According to John", Leon Morris, pg. 271). This leaves two Greek
words: theos pneuma- “God spirit”. The JST clears it up by saying “for unto such hath God
promised his spirit”. The word ‘pneuma’ which is translated spirit, also means ‘life’ or ‘breath’.
The King James Version of Rev. 13:15 renders ‘pneuma’ as life. Thus ‘God is life’, or God is the
breath of life are alternative translations of this verse.
Also, if God is a spirit and we have to worship him in spirit, do we have to leave our
bodies to worship him? And if He was, we couldn’t have bodies of flesh, but spirit, and also in
John 3:6, it says that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of spirit is spirit. We
know that God is our Father. So either we are still spirits and don’t know it, or God has a body.
In Deut. 4:28 says that our God can see, eat and smell. Can a spirit do that? (see God has
flesh) Ex. 9:3 says that God is a consuming fire, 1 John 1:5 says God is light, Psalms 84:11 says He is a sun and shield, and 1 John 4:7,16 says that God is love. Is He just those things? Neither is He just a spirit. But a spirit clothed with
a body. The New American Bible and New American Standard Bible interpretation is “God is
spirit” from that little bit they say that God is an infinite spirit and that’s it. But it does not say
that God is only a spirit, or infinite spirit, only that He is spirit. (a spirit in KJV). Everyone has a
spirit (James 2:26, Job 32:8, Zech. 12:1) and must worship Him in spirit. 1 Cor 6:17 says that we
can be joined to the Lord in one spirit. This doesn’t mean we leave our bodies when we worship
God. He can be spirit and be joined in a figurative sense, with men who truly worship Him. (1
Cor 6:17, Phil. 3:3). Both He and the men who so worship Him will still have their physical
bodies. John 4:24 is no more than a statement that God has no physical body than it is a
statement that men have no physical bodies. It tells men that they must seek spirituality and truth
to worship God, for He is a spiritual being.” (How Greek Philosophy Corrupted the Christian
Concept of God page 255)
"That God is spirit is not meant as a definition of God's being—though this is how the Stoics would have understood it. It is a metaphor of his mode of operation, as life-giving power, and it is no more to be taken literally than I John i. 5, "God is light", or Deut. iv. 24, "Your God is a devouring fire". It is only those who have received this power through Christ who can offer God a real worship."
- Joseph Newbould Sanders, A Commentary on the Gospel according to John, ed. B. A. Mastin (New York: Harper & Row, 1968), 148–149.
The time when the Apostles began to preach to the gentile nations, was a time of many
philosophical schools and ideas. A very strong idea at the time was a neo-platonic (new version
of teachings of Plato) idea that all flesh or matter was essentially evil. Now Christians had less
than fifty thousand members at 200 A.D. in a society comprising of sixty million (The Christians
as the Romans saw them, pg. 31) . They were the minority. And because of persecution, baptized
members who held on to past beliefs (it seems the people of Corinth had this problem early on
from the many reminders of the resurrection of Christ, and the saints made by Paul), and no more
living inspired leaders, they gradually accepted the pagan view of God being a spirit, and not
having flesh and bones, which the philosophical world thought was evil. Because they did this,
they were able to convert many more pagans as they had previously.
Augustine thoroughly fused the theology of the New Testament with neoplatonism. In
examining Christian doctrine, Augustine confessed to a strong preconception--a repugnance to
the idea that God had a body (The Confessions, 5.10.19-20; 7.1.1). He acknowledged that he had
labored on the thesis of the trinity for fifteen years without “ever reaching a satisfactory
conclusion” (The World and the Prophets, Nibley, 3:95). Finally he rationalized that if one
accepts the platonic idea that spirit essence is the purest manifestation of reality and that matter
is the most corrupt, god must therefore be an immaterial being. He was then able to accept the
doctrine of the trinity. (Confessions, 4.16.29, 31; 5.10.19-20; 6.3.4-4.5). As Plato had done before
him, Augustine decided that since God is the ultimate good, He cannot be associated with
anything material.
We believe that man is also spirit (D&C 93:33-4; Numbers 16:22; Romans 8:16) and is, like
God, housed in a physical body. We were, after all, created in the "image" of God (Genesis 1:26-7).
It is interesting that, in 1 Corinthians 2:11, Paul wrote about "the spirit of man and the Spirit of
God." Elsewhere he spoke of the resurrection of the body and then noted that it is a "spiritual" body
(1 Corinthians 15:44-6), though, rising from the grave, it is obviously composed of flesh and bones,
as Jesus made clear when he appeared to the apostles after his resurrection (Luke 24:37-9). Paul also
told the saints in Rome, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God
dwell in you" (Romans 8:9). Similarly, in Alma 11:45, Amulek defines resurrected bodies as "spirits
uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal." The
parallel between "God is a Spirit" and worshipping him "in spirit and in truth" in John 4:24 is
identical to the parallel in 1 John 4:7-16, in which "God is love" (1 John 4:8) and we must have love
in order to worship him properly. It should be obvious that God is not an emotion; similarly, he is
not merely a spirit.
Tertullian taught that “Spirit has a bodily substance of it’s own kind” (Against Praxeas 7,
Ante-Nicene Fathers 3:602)
This article also very good:
http://en.fairmormon.org/Nature_of_God/God_is_a_Spirit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In the King James Version you will notice the word “is” is italicized. This is because the
King James translators have inserted it on their own-it is not present in the Greek text from
which the translation was made. Second, the reader should be made aware that the indefinite
article “a” is not present in the Greek text either and has also been added at the discretion of the
translators ("The Gospel According to John", Leon Morris, pg. 271). This leaves two Greek
words: theos pneuma- “God spirit”. The JST clears it up by saying “for unto such hath God
promised his spirit”. The word ‘pneuma’ which is translated spirit, also means ‘life’ or ‘breath’.
The King James Version of Rev. 13:15 renders ‘pneuma’ as life. Thus ‘God is life’, or God is the
breath of life are alternative translations of this verse.
Also, if God is a spirit and we have to worship him in spirit, do we have to leave our
bodies to worship him? And if He was, we couldn’t have bodies of flesh, but spirit, and also in
John 3:6, it says that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of spirit is spirit. We
know that God is our Father. So either we are still spirits and don’t know it, or God has a body.
In Deut. 4:28 says that our God can see, eat and smell. Can a spirit do that? (see God has
flesh) Ex. 9:3 says that God is a consuming fire, 1 John 1:5 says God is light, Psalms 84:11 says He is a sun and shield, and 1 John 4:7,16 says that God is love. Is He just those things? Neither is He just a spirit. But a spirit clothed with
a body. The New American Bible and New American Standard Bible interpretation is “God is
spirit” from that little bit they say that God is an infinite spirit and that’s it. But it does not say
that God is only a spirit, or infinite spirit, only that He is spirit. (a spirit in KJV). Everyone has a
spirit (James 2:26, Job 32:8, Zech. 12:1) and must worship Him in spirit. 1 Cor 6:17 says that we
can be joined to the Lord in one spirit. This doesn’t mean we leave our bodies when we worship
God. He can be spirit and be joined in a figurative sense, with men who truly worship Him. (1
Cor 6:17, Phil. 3:3). Both He and the men who so worship Him will still have their physical
bodies. John 4:24 is no more than a statement that God has no physical body than it is a
statement that men have no physical bodies. It tells men that they must seek spirituality and truth
to worship God, for He is a spiritual being.” (How Greek Philosophy Corrupted the Christian
Concept of God page 255)
"That God is spirit is not meant as a definition of God's being—though this is how the Stoics would have understood it. It is a metaphor of his mode of operation, as life-giving power, and it is no more to be taken literally than I John i. 5, "God is light", or Deut. iv. 24, "Your God is a devouring fire". It is only those who have received this power through Christ who can offer God a real worship."
- Joseph Newbould Sanders, A Commentary on the Gospel according to John, ed. B. A. Mastin (New York: Harper & Row, 1968), 148–149.
The time when the Apostles began to preach to the gentile nations, was a time of many
philosophical schools and ideas. A very strong idea at the time was a neo-platonic (new version
of teachings of Plato) idea that all flesh or matter was essentially evil. Now Christians had less
than fifty thousand members at 200 A.D. in a society comprising of sixty million (The Christians
as the Romans saw them, pg. 31) . They were the minority. And because of persecution, baptized
members who held on to past beliefs (it seems the people of Corinth had this problem early on
from the many reminders of the resurrection of Christ, and the saints made by Paul), and no more
living inspired leaders, they gradually accepted the pagan view of God being a spirit, and not
having flesh and bones, which the philosophical world thought was evil. Because they did this,
they were able to convert many more pagans as they had previously.
Augustine thoroughly fused the theology of the New Testament with neoplatonism. In
examining Christian doctrine, Augustine confessed to a strong preconception--a repugnance to
the idea that God had a body (The Confessions, 5.10.19-20; 7.1.1). He acknowledged that he had
labored on the thesis of the trinity for fifteen years without “ever reaching a satisfactory
conclusion” (The World and the Prophets, Nibley, 3:95). Finally he rationalized that if one
accepts the platonic idea that spirit essence is the purest manifestation of reality and that matter
is the most corrupt, god must therefore be an immaterial being. He was then able to accept the
doctrine of the trinity. (Confessions, 4.16.29, 31; 5.10.19-20; 6.3.4-4.5). As Plato had done before
him, Augustine decided that since God is the ultimate good, He cannot be associated with
anything material.
We believe that man is also spirit (D&C 93:33-4; Numbers 16:22; Romans 8:16) and is, like
God, housed in a physical body. We were, after all, created in the "image" of God (Genesis 1:26-7).
It is interesting that, in 1 Corinthians 2:11, Paul wrote about "the spirit of man and the Spirit of
God." Elsewhere he spoke of the resurrection of the body and then noted that it is a "spiritual" body
(1 Corinthians 15:44-6), though, rising from the grave, it is obviously composed of flesh and bones,
as Jesus made clear when he appeared to the apostles after his resurrection (Luke 24:37-9). Paul also
told the saints in Rome, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God
dwell in you" (Romans 8:9). Similarly, in Alma 11:45, Amulek defines resurrected bodies as "spirits
uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal." The
parallel between "God is a Spirit" and worshipping him "in spirit and in truth" in John 4:24 is
identical to the parallel in 1 John 4:7-16, in which "God is love" (1 John 4:8) and we must have love
in order to worship him properly. It should be obvious that God is not an emotion; similarly, he is
not merely a spirit.
Tertullian taught that “Spirit has a bodily substance of it’s own kind” (Against Praxeas 7,
Ante-Nicene Fathers 3:602)
This article also very good:
http://en.fairmormon.org/Nature_of_God/God_is_a_Spirit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: John 4:24
This was discussed in a GC talk in the past 18 months. You can search for it @ LDS.ORG
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Thinker
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Re: John 4:24
Hi Frenkois,
You know the telephone game - where you whisper something to someone & they whisper, on & on, & the message changes?
Well that's what happened with the first vision account.
There are many different versions, & I think the original one was not from Heavenly Father & Jesus, but from the angel Moroni, as were the other visions/spiritual experiences of Joseph Smith. Spiritual experiences tend to be based on our faith - what we resonate to - which is usually in the form of another human being like us. One thing that stands out to me is when he asked which church to join, he was instructed to not join any. God is no respector of persons & loves us all, no matter what group we identify ourselves with.
What makes sense based on my experience of God & what I've gathered from science & religion...
It's both logical & spiritual that God would have to be a spirit, to be in all, perfect, unchanging & eternal.
Aristotle (who we get many Christian beliefs from) explained that all events are preceded by other events, except for the "Prime Mover" (aka God/Creator). The only way the Primer mover could be prime & still unchanging is via attraction. LDS teachings include the idea that we were all intelligences in the pre-existence & may likely have contributed toward creating the universe & earth. Godfired Lebniz taught that all elements are based on monads - a type of spiritual atom that is indestructable itself & is in essence, perception/subconscious.
Our subconsious is considered to be the master control system of most of what we think, feel, say & do, including our spiritual experiences of God. God (whether you call God the Holy Ghost or Heavenly Father & Heavenly Mother) - is in all... We tend to only experience God's influence based on faith, like dark energy that permeates everything is invisible but known by it's influence, like faith... "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
You know the telephone game - where you whisper something to someone & they whisper, on & on, & the message changes?
Well that's what happened with the first vision account.
There are many different versions, & I think the original one was not from Heavenly Father & Jesus, but from the angel Moroni, as were the other visions/spiritual experiences of Joseph Smith. Spiritual experiences tend to be based on our faith - what we resonate to - which is usually in the form of another human being like us. One thing that stands out to me is when he asked which church to join, he was instructed to not join any. God is no respector of persons & loves us all, no matter what group we identify ourselves with.
What makes sense based on my experience of God & what I've gathered from science & religion...
It's both logical & spiritual that God would have to be a spirit, to be in all, perfect, unchanging & eternal.
Aristotle (who we get many Christian beliefs from) explained that all events are preceded by other events, except for the "Prime Mover" (aka God/Creator). The only way the Primer mover could be prime & still unchanging is via attraction. LDS teachings include the idea that we were all intelligences in the pre-existence & may likely have contributed toward creating the universe & earth. Godfired Lebniz taught that all elements are based on monads - a type of spiritual atom that is indestructable itself & is in essence, perception/subconscious.
Our subconsious is considered to be the master control system of most of what we think, feel, say & do, including our spiritual experiences of God. God (whether you call God the Holy Ghost or Heavenly Father & Heavenly Mother) - is in all... We tend to only experience God's influence based on faith, like dark energy that permeates everything is invisible but known by it's influence, like faith... "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
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Re: John 4:24
A couple of other add-ins
God, spirit
Don’t forget
What makes LDS, LDS
1- Belief in pre-existance
2- God the father, son and holy ghost are 3 separate beings
3- Multiple heavenly state according to repentance and ordinances
It makes sense how people confuse the trinity
I mean Jesus IS Jehovah- who is the god of the old testament
But we need to understand who LORD and Lord are
And we need to understand Genesis 1:26, and what does the word god mean
Once you have this, then you understand the trinity
With that in mind, well yes, Jehovah WAS a spirit, so god was/ is a spirit
But then he became flesh incarnate, god in the flesh
If god were not called “god in the flesh” he wouldn’t be recognised as “god the spirit”, and pauls and johns statements make more sense
But we know jesus is god, and has his body
This is where the nicean god falls apart. Death in bible language is separation of the flesh and the spirit
But we know that “death hath no more dominion over him”
So how was Christ (who is separate from god the father [another easily explained discussion where the trinity is shown to be the one that needs to prove itself, but can’t of course] able to stay with the saints for 40 days after he was resurrected?
Huh. He was with the saints for a full 40 days AFTER he was resurrected? Where is that found, what did he say? Why?
Well, read Acts 1:1-4 there it is. And its no reason why many churches want this removed from the bible, their concept of god falls apart
Who is this jesus god who speaks to god the father, sees him, prays to him, tells us to be 1 with him as he is 1 with him, says is going to his father, who says to mary he has not yet gone to him, stays, eats (has FLESH)
You want proof god is NOT (just) a spirit, look at the wounds on Christ our saviour
THAT is the proof.
If Christ did not rise there is no god there is no Christ there is just lies
If he DID rise, AND he will return, in his tabernacle (which was the entire issue of the resurrection they just couldn’t understand- how can Jehovah- their god have a “body”), and death has no more dominion over him, and death is separation of body and the spirit, and Stephen is stoned and looks up and sees (well, thinks he sees) christ and god next to one another...well, you tell me, why aren’t you asking your friend to explain to YOU why he believes god is_only_a spirit, and how jesus dies his body but takes up another one with wounds
Seriously. Adam was the EXPRESS image of god.
What logic says god is restricted to a spirit? Oh yeah, eastern philosophies, and other watered down pagan religions like....traditional Christianity
Dude, just turn it back on your mate and ask him to justify his position
If he wants to rely on an English translation of Aramaic and greek and translation of translation you won’t get through to him.
Tell him your Jesus is a greater god than his spirit only god
OUR jesus has overcome all things, and told us WE can inherit ALL things, and have a throne with him
Apparently we are the offspring of god as part of the joint-heir deal
So jesus will be in heaven with a body- well, sometimes- even though technically that means he dies every time he becomes a spirit, but we inherit all and all have bodies.
Yeah, right
Also have to remember the spirit they are referring to for god is not spirit like a ghost- they are referring to god as being a cloud of gas that occupies all space and the entire universe (hence his omnipresence). You gotta understand these things to understand how revolutionary- and LIBERATING the things joseph smith restored to the earth
Then you want to really start understanding WHY they hate us, google “ex-nihilo”
that is all
God, spirit
Don’t forget
What makes LDS, LDS
1- Belief in pre-existance
2- God the father, son and holy ghost are 3 separate beings
3- Multiple heavenly state according to repentance and ordinances
It makes sense how people confuse the trinity
I mean Jesus IS Jehovah- who is the god of the old testament
But we need to understand who LORD and Lord are
And we need to understand Genesis 1:26, and what does the word god mean
Once you have this, then you understand the trinity
With that in mind, well yes, Jehovah WAS a spirit, so god was/ is a spirit
But then he became flesh incarnate, god in the flesh
If god were not called “god in the flesh” he wouldn’t be recognised as “god the spirit”, and pauls and johns statements make more sense
But we know jesus is god, and has his body
This is where the nicean god falls apart. Death in bible language is separation of the flesh and the spirit
But we know that “death hath no more dominion over him”
So how was Christ (who is separate from god the father [another easily explained discussion where the trinity is shown to be the one that needs to prove itself, but can’t of course] able to stay with the saints for 40 days after he was resurrected?
Huh. He was with the saints for a full 40 days AFTER he was resurrected? Where is that found, what did he say? Why?
Well, read Acts 1:1-4 there it is. And its no reason why many churches want this removed from the bible, their concept of god falls apart
Who is this jesus god who speaks to god the father, sees him, prays to him, tells us to be 1 with him as he is 1 with him, says is going to his father, who says to mary he has not yet gone to him, stays, eats (has FLESH)
You want proof god is NOT (just) a spirit, look at the wounds on Christ our saviour
THAT is the proof.
If Christ did not rise there is no god there is no Christ there is just lies
If he DID rise, AND he will return, in his tabernacle (which was the entire issue of the resurrection they just couldn’t understand- how can Jehovah- their god have a “body”), and death has no more dominion over him, and death is separation of body and the spirit, and Stephen is stoned and looks up and sees (well, thinks he sees) christ and god next to one another...well, you tell me, why aren’t you asking your friend to explain to YOU why he believes god is_only_a spirit, and how jesus dies his body but takes up another one with wounds
Seriously. Adam was the EXPRESS image of god.
What logic says god is restricted to a spirit? Oh yeah, eastern philosophies, and other watered down pagan religions like....traditional Christianity
Dude, just turn it back on your mate and ask him to justify his position
If he wants to rely on an English translation of Aramaic and greek and translation of translation you won’t get through to him.
Tell him your Jesus is a greater god than his spirit only god
OUR jesus has overcome all things, and told us WE can inherit ALL things, and have a throne with him
Apparently we are the offspring of god as part of the joint-heir deal
So jesus will be in heaven with a body- well, sometimes- even though technically that means he dies every time he becomes a spirit, but we inherit all and all have bodies.
Yeah, right
Also have to remember the spirit they are referring to for god is not spirit like a ghost- they are referring to god as being a cloud of gas that occupies all space and the entire universe (hence his omnipresence). You gotta understand these things to understand how revolutionary- and LIBERATING the things joseph smith restored to the earth
Then you want to really start understanding WHY they hate us, google “ex-nihilo”
that is all
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gruden2.0
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Re: John 4:24
Don't worry, most English-speaking members don't either...Frenkois wrote:I saw in the JST : "For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth." But I don't know how to translate this sentence in french...I don't really understand this english sentence.
Actually, the original Hebrew word in the Old Testament for God referred to a duality - man + woman. God refers to a married pair. Although I suppose there's no point in bringing that up to most... :-sFrenkois wrote:Often, this verse is quoted to prove that God cannot be a man...and I don't really know what explanation I can give.Frenkois.
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gdemetz
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Re: John 4:24
Both?! Do you have a reference for that? It is my understanding that "Elohim" is just plural for God, meaning Gods. Anyhow, it's correctly translated "worship Him" in the JST.
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Thinker
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Re: John 4:24
Your body's creation is reference enough.gdemetz wrote:Both?! Do you have a reference for that? It is my understanding that "Elohim" is just plural for God, meaning Gods. Anyhow, it's correctly translated "worship Him" in the JST.
Where did you come from - a man's womb or a woman's?
God, our Creator is as much female as male, despite generations of macho tradition.
TRADITION!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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gruden2.0
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Indeed. How can Eve be made in God's image if God is singular and masculine? Anyone who has been through the temple should understand this. A man's priesthood is not complete on any level without a woman. Gods do not create offspring singularly.Thinker wrote:Your body's creation is reference enough.gdemetz wrote:Both?! Do you have a reference for that? It is my understanding that "Elohim" is just plural for God, meaning Gods. Anyhow, it's correctly translated "worship Him" in the JST.
Where did you come from - a man's womb or a woman's?
In any case, I have read this a few times, and since some don't see it I'll go and find it.
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gdemetz
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Re: John 4:24
Give me a break. You are reading too much into that statement. No prophet has, or ever will teach that. We are made in the image of Heavenly Patents. That is the TRUE LDS doctrine.
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gruden2.0
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Re: John 4:24
So what's the problem?gdemetz wrote:Give me a break. You are reading too much into that statement. No prophet has, or ever will teach that. We are made in the image of Heavenly Patents. That is the TRUE LDS doctrine.
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mattctr
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Re: John 4:24
Listen to this short playlist of videos, it will help answer your question:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... ature=plcp
Several other video playlists on related subjects by this man, the Backyard Professor, can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheBackyard ... w=1&page=2
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... ature=plcp
Several other video playlists on related subjects by this man, the Backyard Professor, can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheBackyard ... w=1&page=2
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awake
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Re: John 4:24
I believe this is true. For only couples will reign equally together as parents in eternal leadership.gruden2.0 wrote: Actually, the original Hebrew word in the Old Testament for God referred to a duality - man + woman. God refers to a married pair.
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gdemetz
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Re: John 4:24
I think there are some people hear who could use a Hebrew dictionary. Next, some may be praying as the Christian Scientists do to the "father-mother" god.
