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Garden of Eden......Sex and apple seeds

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A different perspective on who was Cain's father etc.?

Please give your perspective

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Edited on 1/31/08. 'Note, I did not write this article. A friend sent it to me and I am not saying I believe the opinions expressed in this article:


'Apple' Tree Seeds




For the past 2000 years the signs and artifacts of a Pre-Adamic civilization have haunted the churches. Controlled by Rome who rules them all, they were and have been steered away from seeking answers. While many follow church dogma in blind acceptance, many more know something is missing and seek answers on their own. Many, are starting to step out of the box of mind control and seek Yahweh and His truths on their own.



Over the centuries archeologists have found artifacts and signs of a pre-adamic civilization indicating extreme intelligent life had once existed before ours and pre-dated well before the flood of Noah. So much so that our own modern technologically advanced world could not even begin to explain how a civilization before ours could have been so much more advanced than our own.



The churches did not have the answers about this previous civilization, and those who did, did not want the information known, but kept hidden and tucked away into what eventually would become known as secret societies. Instead of serving as ministers of righteousness those who control our churches became ministers of suppressing information. What are they hiding?



Jesus told us the last days would be as the days of Noah, most of those in the top hierarchy of the churches don't serve the Most High God, they Serve Lucifer, and they surpressed the early days of civilization from the people so that when it comes around again and presents itself in the last days it can be utilized as part of the charade that heralds the Antichrist as God. They are all working together, the tops of the churches, governments, secret societies, passed on through the ages by positions…they are trying to deceive the people and keep them in the dark about the past so they won't recognize what is coming in the future, or what recognize the daily war we are in against the battle between the wheat and the tares.



Most smaller churches don't realize they are controlled, or how much they are. Most pastors today have graduated from the seminaries of the dead that are owned and operated by such New Age charlatans as Norman Vincent Peale and Jesuits posing as protestants sent by the Roman Catholic Church to infiltrate and control them. All of the religious organizations and denominational chains are steered at the top by henchmen who serve Rome. Independent churches form to break away from denominational chains, but through their years of training of doctrine conditioning, they never really break away from the box.




It seems that there was indeed a thriving technologically advanced civilization on earth previously and that because of their rebellion against the Most High, its civilization was obliterated out of existence, causing the complete destruction of the earth.




This civilization on earth contained the ancient cities of Atlantis and Lemuria and had inter-galactic trade with other planets such as Mars, Venus, and the others within our solar system. When Lucifer rebelled against the Most High as the reigning cherub over all these planets, he instigated a multi-planet rebellion bringing the Lord's wrath of hailstones of fire against all the planets involved. Entire angelic civilizations were destroyed, and many of these angels involved that did not face His immediate judgment of imprisonment were forced into the hollow areas of their respective planets to survive.




The Bible speaks of Lucifer's rebellion in Isaiah 14:12-14
"How are thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."




In Ezekial 28 it says: "You were the anointed cherub that covers, and I had put you in the holy height of God..."


Lucifer was not happy just being a high ranking cherub with rule over several planets. He wanted to be like the Most High God. And you will find the pre-Adamic, pre-historic civilization on this earth within his realm of dominion and rebellion.



Most of us are led to believe that Lucifer's rebellion was a quick event that was quickly put down by the Most High God, but it did not happen that way.


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The evolutionists were not completely wrong. These things did exist at one time, a concept the church refuses to even acknowledge. But where everyone has gone wrong is in who created what.



Atlantis and Lemuria were cities on ancient Earth where these angels dwelled and developed technology that far surpassed anything we have ever had or seen. And they were not confined to earth, they could travel to distant planets and visit, trade, and cohabitate with the angels who lived on them. In fact, the New World Order is nothing but this ancient planetary old world order revived for the last days. Planetary trade and economics was Lucifer's dominion, and he ruled from a distant planet called Rahab.



Some believe reveal that Lucifer had a mansion or dwelling place on all these planets including earth, but his home planet was Rahab, located between Mars and Jupiter, and it was completely destroyed and cast out of our solar system with its inhabitants imprisoned inside of it. Rahab is returning to earth in these last days and is known more commonly as Nibiru or Planet X where those imprisoned will be released and allowed to come to earth to help Lucifer subdue and conquer it. When the Lord judged and destroyed Rahab He allowed Lucifer and some of his forces to escape.




The DNA imprint of humans is 11-22-33 and the angels couldn't duplicate it. It represents the 11 ribs, 22 bones in the skull, and the 33 vertebrae of mankind. To this day, these are the most significant numbers for any occult group in existence. They could not figure it out then, and to this day, they cannot master and duplicate Yahweh's creation of man and woman.




After the Most High had had enough of their rebellion, and having given them plenty of time to repent for doing so, He utterly destroyed their homes and civilizations. The planets were all destroyed with hailstones of fire, and those who rebelled were cast into imprisonment or forced to make homes in the inside hollow cavities of their respective planets to live in. As part of their judgment, they lost their angelic looks and appearance and became ugly grotesque looking beings.




When the Most High recreated the earth, many, perhaps thousands of years later, Lucifer and his minions watched. And they conspired to destroy the creation of man and woman that Yahweh had placed in the Garden of Eden.




Since the recreation of earth and the creation of Adam and Eve, Lucifer has worked behind the scenes directly and indirectly conspiring and working to destroy the Most High's plans. And since Lucifer's initial rebellion, the Lord has allowed it and used Lucifer for His own purposes through it all.

Isa 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."




It wasn't long after God had created Adam and Eve that Satan would make his move on how to destroy what Yahweh had created. Lucifer, one of the trees of the garden they were commanded to stay away from, seduced Eve and through the child of their union, Cain, the Serpent Seedline of the devil's would begin.
Cain, The Serpent's Seed.





In Genesis 3:15a He said, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed." Enmity means mutual hatred. He is saying there is mutual hatred between the seedline of Satan's and the seedline of Eve's. So there are two seedlines. The serpent seed started with Cain and Adam's seed started with Seth. No matter how they have tried to cover it up in the KJV, the Dead Sea Scrolls and even verses such as Gen. 3:15 make it clear that Satan had his own seedline and it started back with Eve.




Let's start at the beginning of Genesis chapter three:
Genesis 3:1-6


1. Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?



In the Hebrew the word serpent is Hebrew word # 5175: nachash (naw-khawsh'); a snake (from its hiss). From # 5172: nachash (naw-khash'); a primitive root; properly, to hiss, ie: whisper a (magic) spell; generally, to prognosticate: to practice divination, to divine, to observe signs, to learn by experience, to diligently observe, to practice fortune telling, to take as an omen. This obviously is describing a person, and not a literal reptile.




This serpent is no ordinary snake! It is Satan himself. The serpent is just one of Satan's many names. In the book of Revelation there are several of Satan's names identified, but it is all the same one entity such as serpent, devil, or dragon.




The word tree isHebrew word # 6086: `ets (ates); a tree (from its firmness) from # 6095:`atsah (aw-tsaw'); a primitive root; properly, to fasten (or make firm), ie: to close the eyes. figuratively: The spine giving firmness to the body (The body is the trunk, and the arms and legs are the limbs).



And God uses the word "trees" symbolically in the scriptures to mean People both good and bad. And below is just one example of 'trees' being used symbolically for people:



Isaiah 61:1-3

1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. (KJV)


Back to Genesis:

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.



The phrase fruit of the tree is Hebrew word # 6529 periy- fruit, in a wide sense: a) fruit, produce (of the ground), or b) fruit, offspring, children, progeny ( used of the womb), or figuratively c) fruit (of actions). The phrase eat of it is Hebrew word #398; 'akal (aw-kal'); This word has many uses, among which, one use means to lay with a woman (which is a sexual act) touch is Hebrew word # 5060; naga` (naw-gah'); Properly, to touch, ie: to lay the hand upon (for any purpose); euphemism for: to lie with a woman.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:



The word serpent is Satan. The phrase Ye shall not surely die is the first lie in the Bible, and it was Satan as the serpent that uttered it! Satan is called "The father of lies."


5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.




The phrase your eyes shall be opened is the second lie in the Bible, and Satan is also the author of this one. Remember from verse one, that the tree that the serpent wants Eve to partake of means: "To close the eyes," as in being deceived, and losing sight of the only commandment from God at that time:




Remember God said to Adam in Gen 2:17, "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Anyway on to verse 3:6


6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.




This was obviously no ordinary tree, in fact it wasn't a literal tree at all it was Satan himself! The phrase pleasant to the eyes = Hebrew word #2530; chamad: To desire, to covet, to take pleasure in, to delight in, to be desirable, to delight greatly, to desire greatly, desirableness, preciousness.

The word desired = Hebrew word # 8378 ta'avah (tah-av-aw'); from 183 (abbreviated); to yearn for, to lust after (used of bodily appetites) a longing; by implication, a delight (subjectively, satisfaction, objectively, a charm): a desire, a wish, longings of one's heart; lust, an appetite, covetousness (in a bad sense), to covet, to wait longingly. To make one wise = Apple trees don't make you smart but Satan can give you forbidden knowledge.

The word took = Hebrew word # 3947 laqach (law-kakh'); a primitive root; to take (in the widest variety of applications): to take, to lay hold of, to receive, to marry, to take a wife, to take to or for a person, to procure, to get, to take possession of, to select, to choose, to take in marriage, to receive, to accept.



This sure doesn't sound like Eve is just enjoying an apple, this is far more than an appreciation for literal fruit on a literal tree. All of this language is figurative and symbolic for what really happened. Does the account above sound like someone eating an apple to you? Of course not, but you have probably been lied to since Sunday School about what really happened in the garden of Eden.




Here is what really happened in the garden of Eden: Eve lost her virginity to 'the serpent,' whom was that 'Tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden,' and who is none other than Satan himself.




By the way, I haven't seen the word 'apple' mentioned in these scriptures yet, have you? You won't either, nowhere in God's Word does it say that Adam and Eve ate an apple! Yet we see modern religious paintings showing Eve holding an apple. Why? Because it makes for good symbolism and makes a better story to hide what really happened.




Adam also partook of this 'forbidden fruit.' Satan is a super-natural being possessing supernatural powers, thus he can appear to Adam and Eve as two different things (beings, entities) if he had wanted to. We don't know for sure as to what degree Adam partook of this fruit, but as we read on, we will see that Eve became pregnant from her doing so.




She was impregnated and conceived by the serpent first, then she conceived a second time from Adam. Eve went on to bear twins (Cain and Able).

Genesis 3:7-13

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Eating apples doesn't make you ashamed of your nakedness! But losing your innocence and your virginity certainly can. We also notice that they didn't make masks to cover mouths that had just eaten apples; they made aprons to cover their 'private parts' because they were now more conscious of them and embarrassed.


Simply eating an apple does not do this to anyone! Fruit does not make one aware or conscious of whether they have clothes on or not.


8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.


9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?


10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.


11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?


12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.


13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled*1 me, and I did eat. (KJV)



In Strong's, #398 the term "eat" means to eat, also to lay. The term "touch" in Strong's is #5060 which means naga, to touch, also to have sexual intercourse. Both terms had and have sexual connotations to them.



Beguiled used in this text is the same as "seduced." Furthermore, Scripture says Cain "was of that wicked one" he was a son of Satan's through the seduction of Eve. The term "of" is the same that means offspring. Neither is Cain listed anywhere in the descendents of Adam which strongly indicates Cain was not his son. The official beginning of the wheat and the tares began with Eve. The wheat AND the tares.




The tree of knowledge was the means to sexual knowledge they received from Lucifer. Knowledge is to "know." Knowing means to perceive, experience, learn. It is also used as an euphemism of "to know someone" sexually as when Adam "knew" his wife. The terms eat, touch, and know are often used in Biblical lingo for sexual relations. Lucifer was the way of knowing good and evil. He was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil because through him they would learn evil, they would perceive evil, and they would experience it.




Who was the tree of life in the Garden of Eden? Yahushua was. Who was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Lucifer. How do we 'eat of the tree of life?" We commune with Him. We are never to commune with Lucifer, and in this instance he seduced Eve, impregnated her, and began his own genealogical offspring and seedline on this earth that is part of us today.

Gen 3:14-15

14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:


The phrase upon thy belly shalt thou go is A Hebraic (figure of speech) for utter defeat as in Ps 72:9 & Isa 49:23. The phrase dust shalt thou eat = A Hebraism (figure of speech) meaning an ultimate term of degradation, as in Ps 44:25.



Now the next verse will also show us the first mention of the promise of the Messiah Jesus Christ. This verse also contains the first prophecy in the Bible:


15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed it shall bruise thy. head and thou shalt bruise his heel.


The word enmity is from the Hebrew word #342 'eybah (ay-baw'); from 340; hostility: a primitive root; to hate (as one of an opposite tribe or party); hence to be hostile. The phrase between thee and the woman = Not enmity between a garden snake and a woman, that doesn't even make sense!

But enmity between the offspring of the serpent (Satan) and the offspring of the woman (Eve, through Adam, and thus of God). Between thy seed and her seed = seed: Hebrew word #2233 zera`- seed, sowing, offspring, a sowing, seed, semen virile, offspring, descendants, posterity, children.

From #2232:to become pregnant, to be made pregnant. The word it refers to Jesus Christ. The phrase bruise thy head means Jesus destroying Satan. The word thou = Satan and bruise his heel = Satan causing the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.



Jesus' heels were bruised when He was nailed to the cross. The offspring and descendants of the serpent (Satan) are called Kenites (which means sons of Cain; whom was the first murderer). These Kenites multiplied, and in the process of time four-thousand years later, went on to infiltrate the Hebrew peoples and distort the Hebrew religion of the Old Testament founding the religion of

Judaism. It must be pointed out that all Hebrew peoples are not Jews! The term "Jew" is a religious moniker not a national identity as alleged.



Cain and Able were what is called 'Fraternal Twins.' Which is one birth of two children, conceived at different times. Cain was born first, then Abel



Satan knew that the Messiah Jesus Christ would come through the lineage of Eve. This was the first attempt by Satan to destroy the pure seed line that Christ was to come through.



Satan is fearful of Christ because he knows that it is Yahushua, Jesus Christ who will eventually accomplish casting him into the lake of fire (Hell), which will be his eternal punishment. We know that Satan's plan failed with the ultimate birth of Yahushua Jesus Christ who upon his crucifixion, defeated death, which is to say defeated Satan. Satan is death, it is one of his many names and roles he has played and will play in the Bible.



Many of you are hearing this for the first time. Because if you have sat in church programming all of your lives you haven't heard the truth even though it is right there in the Bible. The apple was figurative for sexual relations masked with the terminology "Eve was beguiled by Satan" and until people accept it as the truth it is, they will stay blind to the real war going on today which is between the Serpent Seedline and the rest of the human race.




Most church pastors today will pull out Genesis 4:1 which reads,
"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord."




There are many omissions and translation errors throughout the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls confirm that Genesis 4:1 was tampered with. In fact the passage should read:


And Adam knew his wife Eve, who was pregnant by Sammael (Satan), and she conceived and bare Cain, and he was like the heavenly beings, and not like the earthly beings, and she said, I have gotten a man from the angel of the Lord.




Now we know that anything of the Lord is confirmed elsewhere. IF Cain was indeed Satan's son, we wouldn't have to count on just one passage to prove it.


In fact there are many:

I John 3:12 "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his (half) brother.." Here the word "of" in Greek is #1537 in the Strong's Concordance. When used implying a person, it means "a son of or offspring."

Compare this with other translations:

The New Testament in Modern English: "We are none of us to have the spirit of Cain, who was a son of the devil.."

Living Bible: "We are not to be like Cain, who belonged to Satan.."

New English Bible: "..unlike Cain who was a child of the evil one.."

New Century Bible: "Do not be like Cain who belonged to the Evil One."

New Jerusalem Bible: "..not to be like Cain, who was from the Evil One.."

And the popular commentaries confirm the same thing:

The Wycliffe Bible Commentary page 1473: "He (Cain) is said to have belonged to the family of the wicked one."

Matthew Poole's Commentary on the Holy Bible, volume 3, page 936. "Which showed him (Cain) to be of that wicked one, of the serpent's seed: so early was such seed sown, and so ancient the enmity between seed and seed."

Matthew Henry's Commentary, volume 6 page 1077: "It showed that he (Cain) was as the firstborn of the serpent's seed.."



In John 8:44 Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees and proclaimed, 'Ye are of your father the devil.." The term "of" meaning generation, offspring. They were of the physical seed of their father the devil.



Trees are often used as metaphors in regards to people. Jesus was the "tree of life."



We also find:


Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.


Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.


Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.


Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.


Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else
make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.



Before Adam even had a chance to consummate his relationship with Eve, she was already pregnant with Lucifer's child, Cain. And is this what the elite bloodlines of the New World Order don't want you to know? Are they Cain's seed, of the wicked one. And is it this bloodline of Cain that is working together through the control of vast wealth around the world that is bringing the Antichrist to power?

All some thoughts to consider.

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Last edited by ChildWise on January 31st, 2008, 11:34 am, edited 1 time in total.

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You actually believe this stuff? And do you promote it in your missionary work. It is so far off base I don't even know where to start, except for once again to question your motives on this site.

One of the great blessings that is given to members of this church of that of discernment through the Spirit. All I can say is that I've not felt at ease with your presence here, and that this post is further testimony of what I've felt all along.

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http://biblicalexaminer.org/w199610.shtml

Here's something intersting I stumbled on, haven't read it all yet.

Are you associated with Mr. Osborne? Just curious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

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Looks like someone tried to make the Bible into a porno movie.

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Satan did not keep his first estate, and there is no way he could procreate due to that alone.

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ChelC wrote:You actually believe this stuff? And do you promote it in your missionary work. It is so far off base I don't even know where to start, except for once again to question your motives on this site.


One of the great blessings that is given to members of this church of that of discernment through the Spirit. All I can say is that I've not felt at ease with your presence here, and that this post is further testimony of what I've felt all along.


No I have not formed a belief on any of these points. These points are not part of any doctrine in my missions work and I do not talk preach these matters. It is just some thoughts and data I recently can across and was wondering what others thought. It was not an article I wrote but one that another sent me.



Felt feelings can be very deceptive Checlc.

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ChildWise wrote:Felt feelings can be very deceptive Checlc.
They can also be the means of finding truth, wouldn't you agree ChildWise?

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LoveChrist wrote:Satan did not keep his first estate, and there is no way he could procreate due to that alone.
Have you read the Book of Enoch?

Before you say Satan could not procreate maybe you had better read that book, which was once a part of the Bible. Although I believe that Satan could not procreate the 24 angels in charge of earth could and they fell from their exalted state so they fell from exaltation AFTER they had been on an earth and attained a body and salvation.

We know little to nothing about what occurs after we die. The Book of Mormon says God and cease to be God. If He can so can we.

We do not know if Satan may not even be given another chance. Will his Spirit fall apart in a place with no law to keep it together? Will he be an intelligence once again?

And I absolutely believe that they had technology that was so advanced they could control the weather which is why the people did not fear a flood. The Angel in charge of rain was in the rebellion. These angels had giants for children. whee do you think the Greeks got the legends? Do you believe they just made them up?

Please do not think we know much. We don't.

There were men on this earth LONG before Adam fell. Were they Spirit Children of God or just animals?

Now that is another question.

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Please do not think we know much. We don't.
It is obvious that "we" only applies to us in the matter and not you since you just told us how it is. :D

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CHH wrote:
LoveChrist wrote:Satan did not keep his first estate, and there is no way he could procreate due to that alone.
Have you read the Book of Enoch?

Before you say Satan could not procreate maybe you had better read that book, which was once a part of the Bible. Although I believe that Satan could not procreate the 24 angels in charge of earth could and they fell from their exalted state so they fell from exaltation AFTER they had been on an earth and attained a body and salvation.

We know little to nothing about what occurs after we die. The Book of Mormon says God and cease to be God. If He can so can we.

We do not know if Satan may not even be given another chance. Will his Spirit fall apart in a place with no law to keep it together? Will he be an intelligence once again?

And I absolutely believe that they had technology that was so advanced they could control the weather which is why the people did not fear a flood. The Angel in charge of rain was in the rebellion. These angels had giants for children. whee do you think the Greeks got the legends? Do you believe they just made them up?

Please do not think we know much. We don't.

There were men on this earth LONG before Adam fell. Were they Spirit Children of God or just animals?

Now that is another question.
Have you read the first and second books of Adam and Eve?

It says that the Angels we not angels truly but descendants of Adam and Eve that left the mountain where the righteous lived and went down into the valley where Cain's descendants lived and broke a command that they had been given not to go down.

I have read the Book of Enoch, the Ethiopic translation that Deseret Book used to sell.

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SwissMrs&Pitchfire wrote:
Please do not think we know much. We don't.
It is obvious that "we" only applies to us in the matter and not you since you just told us how it is. :D
Not at all. I don't know too much on this at all. I have only speculation. The fact is WE DO NOT KNOW. I have studied many possibilities and the Church has no real solid doctrine on anything about it. Even the apostles disagree.

The Gnostic writings are fascinating. The book of Enoch is amazing. The Greek myths are apparently based on the book of Enoch. The Bible itself speaks of Giants. Whee do all the different animals come from if there was ONLY one ark? Was there only one ark? Was the earth orbiting the planet Jupiter at one time? Was that the heaven that they were building the tower to reach? When did Venus enter the solar system. Why is mars called the God or War? What caused the plagues in Egypt that were also in other parts of the world. Why did mana fall from the sky in China? Why did the Pharaoh not let the Israelites go? How did they really build the pyramids. How could the Inca or whoever cut stone like it was soft? what is a feathered serpent and can it spew liquid that could soften stone. Could is talk and understand language?

Oh how I wish I knew. So nope. It did not mean you guys and not me. I don't know either. But I sure have a lot of questions. I keeps me knowing that I do not know and so I am far more tolerant of other people's religious beliefs.

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LoveChrist wrote: Have you read the first and second books of Adam and Eve?
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook ... intro.html

Interesting. So much we do not know.

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ChelC wrote:http://biblicalexaminer.org/w199610.shtml

Here's something intersting I stumbled on, haven't read it all yet.

Are you associated with Mr. Osborne? Just curious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity




Thank you for these links CheclC.

I have never heard of 'Christian Identity' movement and I am not associated with any Mr Osbourne.

From briefing through the links you sent me I would say that I am opposed to most if not all of the Christian Identity 'movement/sect.'

I posted the piece on 'Sex and Apple seeds' not because I profess to believing the matters in the article, but news is news and I am not the one to censor or write only what I believe (like CNN and the other mega controlled medias) . As you said God gives us the spirit on discernment to judge right from wrong. We should not be afraid of differing opinions and ideas. If anything, different and strange ideas to us should propel us further to ask God what is truth....'study to show thyself approved'

If you want to get a true feeling about me and where I am coming from, the foundation of my motivation, then read all of the Sermon on the Mount by Jesus.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATT%205-7

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ChelC wrote:You actually believe this stuff? And do you promote it in your missionary work. It is so far off base I don't even know where to start, except for once again to question your motives on this site.

One of the great blessings that is given to members of this church of that of discernment through the Spirit. All I can say is that I've not felt at ease with your presence here, and that this post is further testimony of what I've felt all along.




Dear Mrs/Miss ChelcC


My answer to you concerns about my goals/intentions:



-To engage in meaningful discussion with those who have the same and differing beliefs and perspectives than what I have.


-To hear how your life has been impacted by your experience with your faith.


- To share how my life has been impacted by my understanding and personal experience of the person and work of Jesus Christ.


- Regularly I have Mormon missionaries approach me wanting to share with me their concept of truth, 'their way', with hopes that I will ask God and believe their 'right ways' for myself. I cannot deny that in the midst of my sharing about things from politics to music, if the Holy Spirit can make use of some things I may have to share with you to help you move closer to Him, then that too is a hope, or motive/goal.
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Oak3s wrote:
ChildWise wrote:Felt feelings can be very deceptive Checlc.
They can also be the means of finding truth, wouldn't you agree ChildWise?


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo ... version=31

28 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.

29 He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.

30 Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;

31 but those who hope in the LORD
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.

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