It isn't nice to call names.

[Nan]

I too would like to see the name calling end. It isn't Christ like and it isn't mature. Another name I would add that I would like gone is Sheeple. It is so condescending.

[SmallFarm]

I too would like to see the name calling end. It isn't Christ like and it isn't mature. Another name I would add that I would like gone is Sheeple. It is so condescending.

:ymapplause:
Aren't we supposed to be sheep anyway?

[freedomforall]

I too would like to see the name calling end. It isn't Christ like and it isn't mature. Another name I would add that I would like gone is Sheeple. It is so condescending.

:ymapplause:
Aren't we supposed to be sheep anyway?

Baaaaaa! Baaaaaaaaa!

I'm guilty of saying not-so-nice things at times after having been baited, however, I fully agree with the necessity of acting like Christ's children and not renegades. We can pretend to be Christ-like, but just by opening our mouths, spewing un-Christ-like words...proves otherwise, or at least that our self control is out of control. Christ did not call the woman caught in adultery bad names. He didn't come back with demeaning words when the sisters of Lazarus rebuked Him for not coming sooner, Lazarus having been dead for four days already.

I also think there are some people on this forum who go out of their way to provoke others, why, I don't know. This forum, IMO, is not a place to prove one's self proposed superiority, rather, a place to have friendly conversation, to cogitate and perpend ideas and personal findings. The latter is what is conducive to true LDS requirements. I also feel there have been several members leave the forum because of the constant bickering and name calling. And what kind of example are we conveying to forum non-members reading our posts?

[Mark]

I could sink to your level..... [-(

Ouch! That wasn't nice! #-o In fact, that was worse than name-calling :ymsick:

FYI- "Snufferite" was first coined on this site by Brian, the site owner. He's the guy who makes and ultimately enforces his rules so I doubt you'll get far with any "ite" name being banned.

Be careful with those goats. They started jbalm's barn on fire! He hasn't been back since

So thats what happened to JB? !#@%! goats!!

[Raindrop]

Personally, I find it much easier to judge (yeah, I said it) others by how they respond and how quickly their side of the debate deteriorates into name-calling. Sort of like if you remove the dress code, you can see people's true colors better. You force everyone to wear the sheep suit, it's harder to spot the wolves.

Let the name-calling begin!! ) /:)

[Rob]

My advice is to block the ones that bug you. You should see my ignore list. It grows almost daily. LDS, Shmell-DS. A lot of folks here could use a lesson in manners & respect. :ymsigh:

The ability to have an ignore list is a blessing, isn't it?

Indeed, it is.

[InfoWarrior82]

The Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have done unto you."

Hey do you guys remember that time when Ron Paul was booed by neocons when he said our nation should live by the golden rule? Man, that was classic.

[RabbanahLlama]

Amen Raindrop, Amen.

[SmallFarm]

Personally, I find it much easier to judge (yeah, I said it) others by how they respond and how quickly their side of the debate deteriorates into name-calling. Sort of like if you remove the dress code, you can see people's true colors better. You force everyone to wear the sheep suit, it's harder to spot the wolves.

Let the name-calling begin!! ) /:)

Suit yourself, I prefer to spend my energy trying to teach them to be sheep.

[Raindrop]

Suit yourself, I prefer to spend my energy trying to teach them to be sheep.

By tsk tsk-ing people and flagging their offending posts? Yeah, that'll teach 'em.

I prefer to let people express themselves to the fullest extent. You learn more about them that way, imo.

[believer]

I stand with you Smallfarm. There is a big difference between kidding, and belittling, put downs, rudeness, and nastiness.

[Rob]

Suit yourself, I prefer to spend my energy trying to teach them to be sheep.

By tsk tsk-ing people and flagging their offending posts? Yeah, that'll teach 'em.

That's why the button's there, Raindrop. Yeah, it will teach them. It's just a matter of what. Some folks, when asked to tone it down, let pride & ego take over and turn it into a battle for control. It's sad. :ymsigh:

I prefer to let people express themselves to the fullest extent. You learn more about them that way, imo.

Fullest extent? Pray tell what exactly that is in your estimation, eg. profanity, racial slurs, religious persecution. It's a question of where to draw the line. That line has been fairly well defined in the forum rules, namely...

If you disagree with someone, attack the message, not the messenger. Be respectful. No personal attacks, slander, libel, etc.

It doesn't really matter what anyone's preference is when held up against that statement.

[SmallFarm]

Suit yourself, I prefer to spend my energy trying to teach them to be sheep.

By tsk tsk-ing people and flagging their offending posts? Yeah, that'll teach 'em.

I prefer to let people express themselves to the fullest extent. You learn more about them that way, imo.

The truth is I probably won't succeed, that isn't my motivator.

[SmallFarm]

Let me try and put this another way:
My concern is not for those on the recieving end of name calling, we have been told we would be macked and persecuted for our beliefs. But, I have deep concern for those using this tactic, because they put themselves in "that great and spacious building" everytime they use mockery as their tactic.

[Deborah000]

Our Saviour has said, "if ye are not one, ye are not mine . . ." Brigham Young has said that we as a people will not be ready to build up Zion until we are one with each other. Now that is scary!!! So I have to ask, are we ready to be a zion people?

[SmallFarm]

Good grief... I can't believe how much crap SmallFarm is getting for making a suggestion that we be less contentious and more kind to each other. Those people demonstrated perfectly his point! It's ironic how when someone makes a suggestion to be kinder, it's met with mocking and further attacks - as if the person making the suggestion (to be more Christlike) is in the wrong. As a mod, it's a pretty crappy situation to be in when we receive reports of name calling and inappropriate behavior, and then when we "take care" of those situations, people complain and act like they are being treated unfairly! We all know the rules, we are all adults, and I think SmallFarm has a great point here. I realize there is room for not getting personally offended over everything that's posted - I'm guilty of being passionate about certain topics and in certain discussions, but I think in any circumstance, we can eliminate the public personal attacks, and the name calling as well.

I knew I'd get crap from it. Doesn't really bother me. :ymcowboy:

[SmallFarm]

This is not being targeted at SmallFarm or Rob specifically, but I wanted to respond to these comments and say that the mods are not always ABLE to do what everyone else thinks should be done. Sometimes the solution isn't beating every child that misbehaves. We (at least I...) give multiple chances, try to talk with individuals, explain what needs to be changed, try to talk to those offended, etc.... and TRY to be fair, and maintain some balance and peace on the forum. Frankly, if we banned everyone who broke the rules, nobody would be here - including half the mods. But when mods take action, they are either criticized by one group for being to harsh, or criticized by the other group for being too lenient. There is a lot of discussion and compromise that goes into moderating. The fault should not be on the moderators. The fault is in those who choose to misbehave. Stop giving us moderators so much work to do and be nice to each other! People CAN have discussions and strong disagreements and very opposing points of view without digressing to name calling, threats, manipulation, accusations, defamation of character, libel, and some of the other things I've seen going on on this forum.

I am very happy with the moderation on this site. I made one infraction at the LDS.net site and wasn't warned but immediately banned permanently and didn't even get a chance to appologize.

[Fairminded]

I don't think anyone disagrees with SmallFarm's message that we should be nice to each other. I think the way it was presented is what most people are having trouble with.

From what I got out of the OP: 1.) SmallFarm can think of far more clever insults for us than we can come up with; 2.) If we do something SmallFarm doesn't like, he'll go running to the mods; and 3.) Smallfarm's arguments are all one-sided and it's everyone else who's in the wrong, even if he can't get the mods to react the way he wants when he tattles to them.

Maybe that's an oversimplification, and more blown out of proportion than the statements warrant. But nobody likes to be talked down to, nobody likes a tattletale, and it's very very rare for one side to be completely in the right and the other to be completely in the wrong in a discussion.

[SmallFarm]

I don't think anyone disagrees with SmallFarm's message that we should be nice to each other. I think the way it was presented is what most people are having trouble with.

From what I got out of the OP: 1.) SmallFarm can think of far more clever insults for us than we can come up with;an unfortunate joke, but also true 2.) If we do something SmallFarm doesn't like, he'll go running to the modswhat's wrong with that?; and 3.) Smallfarm's arguments are all one-sided and it's everyone else who's in the wrong okay, tell me how it's Christlike to demean someone else's viewpoint with derogatory nicknames, even if he can't get the mods to react the way he wants when he tattles tattle, that's a loaded word to them.

Maybe that's an oversimplification, and more blown out of proportion than the statements warrant. But nobody likes to be talked down to if that's the way it came off I'm sorry, nobody likes to be called names either :ymtongue: , nobody likes a tattletalein the hood they call it a snitch, and it's very very rare for one side to be completely in the right and the other to be completely in the wrong in a discussion.

If you've disregarded my message based upon my faulted, human aproach, then I wasn't talking to you, you can disregard everything I've said, please put me on your ignore list and move on. :ymsigh:

[Fairminded]

I realize I was a bit insulting, but I really don't have a problem with your post. Going by my experience on other message boards, though, those are some of the things lots of posters (particularly younger ones) would have a problem with.

A lot of people view discussions as a personal matter, so bringing a moderator in feels like a dirty trick to them. Ironically these are the people that often resort to the sort of name-calling and personal attacks that ruin a discussion anyway.

It's natural for people to feel like they're in the right. Usually everyone does just about all the time, even when they shouldn't. In most discussions both sides think the other is wrong, and that's why discussions never seen to go anywhere, because neither side will admit the other has valid arguments or that they might be wrong.

As for talking down to people, well, I'm certainly not one to talk. It's one of my biggest faults, and probably why I'm not very popular around here . If nothing else, I make a great example of what not to do.

[SmallFarm]

I realize I was a bit insulting, but I really don't have a problem with your post. Going by my experience on other message boards, though, those are some of the things lots of posters (particularly younger ones) would have a problem with.

A lot of people view discussions as a personal matter, so bringing a moderator in feels like a dirty trick to them. Ironically these are the people that often resort to the sort of name-calling and personal attacks that ruin a discussion anyway.

It's natural for people to feel like they're in the right. Usually everyone does just about all the time, even when they shouldn't. In most discussions both sides think the other is wrong, and that's why discussions never seen to go anywhere, because neither side will admit the other has valid arguments or that they might be wrong.

As for talking down to people, well, I'm certainly not one to talk. It's one of my biggest faults, and probably why I'm not very popular around here . If nothing else, I make a great example of what not to do.

Okay I get what you are saying, for a second I felt like you were talkig down to me. ) :ymhug:

[Juliette]

I realize I was a bit insulting, but I really don't have a problem with your post. Going by my experience on other message boards, though, those are some of the things lots of posters (particularly younger ones) would have a problem with.

A lot of people view discussions as a personal matter, so bringing a moderator in feels like a dirty trick to them. Ironically these are the people that often resort to the sort of name-calling and personal attacks that ruin a discussion anyway.

It's natural for people to feel like they're in the right. Usually everyone does just about all the time, even when they shouldn't. In most discussions both sides think the other is wrong, and that's why discussions never seen to go anywhere, because neither side will admit the other has valid arguments or that they might be wrong.

As for talking down to people, well, I'm certainly not one to talk. It's one of my biggest faults, and probably why I'm not very popular around here . If nothing else, I make a great example of what not to do.

Okay I get what you are saying, for a second I felt like you were talkig down to me. ) :ymhug:

Well darn, one of my favorite sayings is " I know you are, but what am I?" And " I don't make monkeys, I train them". And how about the ole standby, " I'm rubber, your glue, what bounces off me sticks on you".
I will try to refrain. But I'm not making any promises. Also, at my house when raising 6 children, the one who tattled is the one who got in trouble. Sometimes it best to let the kids work it out on their own. Personally, I think everybody here is quite respectful considering the emotional times we are in. So there poopy pants! )

[SmallFarm]

I love how the conversation has become "Is SmallFarm a tattletale." X(
Fine you all can rest assured that SmallFarm won't "tattle" on you. You can go ahead and rub eachother into the dirt like Julliets kids, don't worry about me "tattling" on you.
Edit: I ain't leaving :ymtongue:

[karen2cruise]

Personally, I think everybody here is quite respectful considering the emotional times we are in. So there poopy pants! )

Welcome back, and thanks for lightening the spirit. Anytime you want to go shopping at City Creek let me know B-) Mind you, for me it will be window shopping.

[Juliette]

Personally, I think everybody here is quite respectful considering the emotional times we are in. So there poopy pants! )

Welcome back, and thanks for lightening the spirit. Anytime you want to go shopping at City Creek let me know B-) Mind you, for me it will be window shopping.

LOL! I would love to go shopping with you! I mostly window shop, eat chocolate, and look longingly at the fountains wanting to run through them naked.

SmallFarm, by not allowing my children to run to me for every little thing, they learned negotiating skills. Roll with the punches, they don't hurt as bad that way. I agree that cussing or evil speaking of the Lord's annointed should be reported. I have always liked you SmallFarm. Sorry if I made you angry with me. Truly!