Are there Deceivers on this Forum?

[LukeAir2008]

With so many people now claiming to be meeting up with Jesus or having been called to gather in the 144,000 or whatever it is - lets remind ourselves of what the President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles said about apostates and deceivers who claim authority or special gifts etc.

Anyone can have sacred, holy, revelatory experiences. When those people start declaring those experiences and claiming special authority or understanding then that is a whole different matter.

'From Such Turn Away' - Elder Boyd K Packer, Ensign April 1985

http://www.lds.org/general-conference/1 ... -turn-away" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

here are some quotes...

I say unto you, that it shall not be given to any one to go forth to preach my gospel, or to build up my church, except he be ordained by some one who has authority, and it is known to the church that he has authority and has been regularly ordained by the heads of the church.” (D&C 42:11)

There are those who claim authority from some secret ordinations of the past. Even now some claim special revealed authority to lead or to teach the people. Occasionally they use the names of members of the First Presidency or of the Twelve or of the Seventy and imply some special approval of what they teach.

There have been too many names presented, too many sustaining votes taken, too many ordinations and settings apart performed before too many witnesses; there have been too many records kept, too many certificates prepared, and too many pictures published in too many places for any one to be deceived as to who holds proper authority. Claims of special revelation or secret authority from the Lord or from the Brethren are false on the face of them and really utter nonsense!

The Lord never operated that way; these things were not done in a corner (see Acts 26:26); there is light on every official call and every authorized ordination, and it has always been that way.(Elder Packer, Ensign April 1985)

“If my people will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my servants whom I have appointed to lead my people, behold, verily I say unto you, they shall not be moved out of their place.

“But if they will not hearken to my voice, nor unto the voice of these men whom I have appointed, they shall not be blest.” (D&C 124:45–46.)

I bear witness, brethren and sisters, that the leaders of the Church were called of God by proper authority, and it is known to the Church that they have that authority and have been properly ordained by the regularly ordained heads of the Church. If we follow them we will be saved. If we stray from them we will surely be lost. That is true of the file leaders down through the ranks of the Church, the heads of quorums and wards, of stakes and missions, and of the prophet, who stands at the head of the Church.(Elder Packer, Ensign April 1985)

[LukeAir2008]

Im not saying that anyone is specifically trying to deceive. I'm sure that if there are individuals who genuinely are meeting with Christ or receiving knowledge or instructions from him then they won't mind this additional scrutiny or examination?

[Tribunal]

With so many people now claiming to be meeting up with Jesus or having been called to gather in the 144,000 or whatever it is - lets remind ourselves of what the President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles said about apostates and deceivers who claim authority or special gifts etc.

Anyone can have sacred, holy, revelatory experiences. When those people start declaring those experiences and claiming special authority or understanding then that is a whole different matter.

Who are the "so many people now claiming to be meeting up with Jesus or having been called to gather in the 144,000"?

Did I miss something? Has the Rapture begun? Wait a minute! One of my co-workers just disappeared!!!!

[LukeAir2008]

With so many people now claiming to be meeting up with Jesus or having been called to gather in the 144,000 or whatever it is - lets remind ourselves of what the President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles said about apostates and deceivers who claim authority or special gifts etc.

Anyone can have sacred, holy, revelatory experiences. When those people start declaring those experiences and claiming special authority or understanding then that is a whole different matter.

Who are the "so many people now claiming to be meeting up with Jesus or having been called to gather in the 144,000"?

Did I miss something? Has the Rapture begun? Wait a minute! One of my co-workers just disappeared!!!!

http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... 14&t=22462" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My wife & I commanded to share our experience with our family. The results of which were that 5 members of our families have received their C&E. We were later ordained to bring as many as will come to the Church of the Firstborn. This is our current calling. And the greatest arrow in my quiver is my own knowledge, testimony and experience. It would be a fools errand to not use my own witness, testimony and experience.

I expect some will mock, some will be confused and some will be touched by the spirit and hear the call for themselves. I surrender myself and my experiences as an offering for the benefit of those who will hear the spirit and answer the call. I know they are here, and I know they have heard.

I do not profess to be infallible and I do not encourage others to believe what I say. I do encourage others to believe the Holy Ghost and if He tells them something is true then I suggest they believe that.

Thank you for asking.
Amonhi

[Tribunal]

That's interesting! Does this Amonhi claim to talk with God? Literally? I wonder how he received this commandment? I also find it interesting that Amonhi expects people to mock his belief but isn't he the one doing the mocking?

[durangout]

Im not saying that anyone is specifically trying to deceive. I'm sure that if there are individuals who genuinely are meeting with Christ or receiving knowledge or instructions from him then they won't mind this additional scrutiny or examination?

Several people on this forum ARE intentinally trying to deceive. Isn't it obvious?

[A Random Phrase]

Im not saying that anyone is specifically trying to deceive. I'm sure that if there are individuals who genuinely are meeting with Christ or receiving knowledge or instructions from him then they won't mind this additional scrutiny or examination?

I am sure that if they were sent by God they would not mind in the least - and, in fact, would be recommending it.

[Mark]

Im not saying that anyone is specifically trying to deceive. I'm sure that if there are individuals who genuinely are meeting with Christ or receiving knowledge or instructions from him then they won't mind this additional scrutiny or examination?

Several people on this forum ARE intentinally trying to deceive. Isn't it obvious?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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[awake]

I'm sure that if there are individuals who genuinely are meeting with Christ or receiving knowledge or instructions from him then they won't mind this additional scrutiny or examination?

I agree.

[Kingdom of ZION]

With so many people now claiming to be meeting up with Jesus or having been called to gather in the 144,000 or whatever it is - lets remind ourselves of what the President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles said about apostates and deceivers who claim authority or special gifts etc.

Anyone can have sacred, holy, revelatory experiences. When those people start declaring those experiences and claiming special authority or understanding then that is a whole different matter.

Who are the "so many people now claiming to be meeting up with Jesus or having been called to gather in the 144,000"?

Did I miss something? Has the Rapture begun? Wait a minute! One of my co-workers just disappeared!!!!

Amon!

My wife & I commanded to share our experience with our family. The results of which were that 5 members of our families have received their C&E. We were later ordained to bring as many as will come to the Church of the Firstborn. This is our current calling. And the greatest arrow in my quiver is my own knowledge, testimony and experience. It would be a fools errand to not use my own witness, testimony and experience.

I expect some will mock, some will be confused and some will be touched by the spirit and hear the call for themselves. I surrender myself and my experiences as an offering for the benefit of those who will hear the spirit and answer the call. I know they are here, and I know they have heard.

I do not profess to be infallible and I do not encourage others to believe what I say. I do encourage others to believe the Holy Ghost and if He tells them something is true then I suggest they believe that.

Thank you for asking.
Amonhi

I must also take issue with Amonhi claiming to have been ORDAINED "We were later ordained to bring as many as will come to the Church of the Firstborn". I have inquire of Adonai and this is a falsehood!

When someone hold themselves up to be the light and the way, and Adonai has not called them, THEY ARE DECEIVERS! For they are not the light nor the way... there is no such calling in the earth to bring as many as will come to the Church of the Firstborn.

Hey, are they going to Colonial LeBaron, in Mexico? They have a Church of the Firstborn? Or are they gathering to Tom Green or Robert Black or Fred Collier Church of the Firstborn?

Shalom

[gdemetz]

There are to be 12,000 high priests selected from each of the twelve tribes of Judah which will total 12,000. Did we miss something? Have the lost tribes returned already? Or has the selection begun for only the tribes which are here? Anyhow, who knows, maybe someone received a blessing or a personal revelation in which it was revealed to them that they would be one of those worthy high priests.

[God's Army]

I am definitely skeptical about Amonhi's claims of being one of the 144,000. It's possible he may have been deceived. It's possible he may not have been deceived. It's possible that he's knowingly trying to deceive some of us. Maybe not. I look at his message. From his message he tells us we should pray and seek the spirit. He encouraged us to read the scriptures. That was all good advice which I had a good feeling about. However, when it came to his personal claims I was/still am skeptical. I suppose I just looked for the obvious good in his message and didn't even trifle with the questionable parts. He had some good things to tell us, but he also said some things which I don't think he should have said at all. When all is said and done, he's just a regular person on the internet who can say WHATEVER he wants. Same with all of us. I found a lot of wisdom in a lot of what he had to say. In other parts, not so much. You have to be able to see where the line is that you shouldn't cross. When it came to his advice in seeking the spirit in prayer I felt good about that. When it came to his personal claims, I put no trust into whatsoever. He's an anonymous person who can say good and bad things. Determine which is which and what is what for yourselves. After all, that's all you can do when you decide to read random people's messages on an open forum such as this.

[HeirofNumenor]

I am definitely skeptical about Amonhi's claims of being one of the 144,000. It's possible he may have been deceived. It's possible he may not have been deceived. It's possible that he's knowingly trying to deceive some of us. Maybe not. I look at his message. From his message he tells us we should pray and seek the spirit. He encouraged us to read the scriptures. That was all good advice which I had a good feeling about. However, when it came to his personal claims I was/still am skeptical. I suppose I just looked for the obvious good in his message and didn't even trifle with the questionable parts. He had some good things to tell us, but he also said some things which I don't think he should have said at all. When all is said and done, he's just a regular person on the internet who can say WHATEVER he wants. Same with all of us. I found a lot of wisdom in a lot of what he had to say. In other parts, not so much. You have to be able to see where the line is that you shouldn't cross. When it came to his advice in seeking the spirit in prayer I felt good about that. When it came to his personal claims, I put no trust into whatsoever. He's an anonymous person who can say good and bad things. Determine which is which and what is what for yourselves. After all, that's all you can do when you decide to read random people's messages on an open forum such as this.

Great post, God's Army!!! :ymhug:

[God's Army]

Great post, God's Army!!! :ymhug:

Thank you, HeirofNumenor. But I also wanted to point out that I'm not defending or attacking Amonhi. I've said in other posts that I didn't see any misleading advise from him. In fact, the advise of his which I did see was very good. I don't believe he suggested we do anything which the prophets and scriptures aren't already telling us to do. It's his personal claims that I have trouble investing any trust in. If I did see him suggest that we do anything that contradicts the prophet's or scripture's teachings then I would call him out on it. But I didn't see it. All I saw was good advise, and quite possibly foolish personal claims. But who am I to determine what personal claims are foolish or not. I do believe it to be unwise to announce over the internet to a bunch of anonymous users, at the least.

[dauser]

Their are agents of deception on payroll that have to muddy intelligent conversations as if they were the normal and wise ones... and of course they get to gather all evidance on resistors for future reference.

They operate in secret and reveal nothing of themselves or their secret national security agendas... yet they want you to reveal everything about yourselves... for their databases for future reference of course.

The Zionist Jew claims and still believes Jesus Christ was and still is the great deceiver. They have had the ancient and modern prophets killed to prove their point. It's campaign of deception is always anti-christ, anti-temple, anti-family, anti-freedom, anti-self defense and anti-life.

The world's greatest propaganda/deception campaign in the history of the world is raging right now... For our hearts and minds.

[HeirofNumenor]

Great post, God's Army!!! :ymhug:

Thank you, HeirofNumenor. But I also wanted to point out that I'm not defending or attacking Amonhi. I've said in other posts that I didn't see any misleading advise from him. In fact, the advise of his which I did see was very good. I don't believe he suggested we do anything which the prophets and scriptures aren't already telling us to do. It's his personal claims that I have trouble investing any trust in. If I did see him suggest that we do anything that contradicts the prophet's or scripture's teachings then I would call him out on it. But I didn't see it. All I saw was good advise, and quite possibly foolish personal claims. But who am I to determine what personal claims are foolish or not. I do believe it to be unwise to announce over the internet to a bunch of anonymous users, at the least.

I did and still agree with you on all point... I did not misunderstand...and i hope others won't as well...

[God's Army]

Great post, God's Army!!! :ymhug:

Thank you, HeirofNumenor. But I also wanted to point out that I'm not defending or attacking Amonhi. I've said in other posts that I didn't see any misleading advise from him. In fact, the advise of his which I did see was very good. I don't believe he suggested we do anything which the prophets and scriptures aren't already telling us to do. It's his personal claims that I have trouble investing any trust in. If I did see him suggest that we do anything that contradicts the prophet's or scripture's teachings then I would call him out on it. But I didn't see it. All I saw was good advise, and quite possibly foolish personal claims. But who am I to determine what personal claims are foolish or not. I do believe it to be unwise to announce over the internet to a bunch of anonymous users, at the least.

I did and still agree with you on all point... I did not misunderstand...and i hope others won't as well...

Oops, sorry . I didn't mean to make it look like it was directed to you. I probably should have separated my reply to you from the rest of what I said lol

[AshleyB]

Regardless of his personal claims of being one of the 144 thousand. It could be true. Who knows? It's not really important to me. I have no idea. What I do know is that like others have said he has not given any false advice or promoted false doctrines. He has not revealed any new doctrine. And he has done NOTHING to set himself up as a light and in fact has been very clear that is not what he is trying to do. All he's said is seek Christ for yourself. I hardly think that = setting himself up as a light. But that has just been my feelings as I have read the things he has posted. If he were revealing something new then perhaps I would be more concerned about his personal claims but since that's not the case it doesn't really matter to me.

[chase]

I must also take issue with Amonhi claiming to have been ORDAINED "We were later ordained to bring as many as will come to the Church of the Firstborn". I have inquire of Adonai and this is a falsehood!

When someone hold themselves up to be the light and the way, and Adonai has not called them, THEY ARE DECEIVERS! For they are not the light nor the way... there is no such calling in the earth to bring as many as will come to the Church of the Firstborn.

Hey, are they going to Colonial LeBaron, in Mexico? They have a Church of the Firstborn? Or are they gathering to Tom Green or Robert Black or Fred Collier Church of the Firstborn?

Shalom

How is Amonhi's trying to bring people to Christ different from missionaries in the field trying to bring people to Christ? I'm not saying anything for or against him, but I think you are throwing out the baby with the bath water with a very widely sweeping statement on what God can and can't instruct a man to do. If God commanded him to bring people to the Church of the Firstborn, your opinion will not make it otherwise, and even if God did not command him to do so, who is to say that he hasn't commanded someone else. We ought to be careful about making sweeping generalizations about what God can and cannot do. Read Amonhi's message. Consider the content. Try to get a feeling about it by the Spirit. And then move on. Simply calling someone a deceiver without any argument other than "He is setting himself up as a light" (which is obviously not what he is doing according to his own words) is lazy. All he suggested we do is find an opportunity to have a meaningful prayer with an open and obedient heart. Is that deceptive? Is that self-aggrandizing in any way? Is it self-aggrandizing to share a personal spiritual experience? If the answer is yes then we have a lot of very guilty people in the Church. Have a little mercy on the man. There are way too many self appointed "thought police" on this forum.

[gdemetz]

Yes!

[A Random Phrase]

If God commanded him to bring people to the Church of the Firstborn, your opinion will not make it otherwise, and even if God did not command him to do so, who is to say that he hasn't commanded someone else. We ought to be careful about making sweeping generalizations about what God can and cannot do.

:ymapplause:

[Jason]

Im not saying that anyone is specifically trying to deceive. I'm sure that if there are individuals who genuinely are meeting with Christ or receiving knowledge or instructions from him then they won't mind this additional scrutiny or examination?

Several people on this forum ARE intentinally trying to deceive. Isn't it obvious?

Wolves and Sheep
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[Captain G]

I had a minute to read some of the comments on what Amonhi's said. I was blown out of the water as that is not within the teaching of the church. We are given priesthood power over us and our own family, that power does not extend further than that. I had a dream of a personage talking with me and I did not feel the power of the spirit. He look like an angel and talked with me and when I did not agree with what he was telling me, there came a heavy darkness over me like I was sufficating. I remember praying very hard and then came a light and the darkness disappeared. I had been studying the scripture deeply for sometime when this happened to me. The Lord only has one Prophet on the earth and he will use him. That includes me and anyone else out there proclaiming to have the spirit to leed and guide his children. We need to guide our own families in staying close to the Lord and the church.There are Wolf in sheep clothing trying to deceive you and me. Anyone who believes that the Lord will use someone else beside our beloved Prophet needs to look at his life closer. I pray that I will be strong to the end and will not fall to the comings of Satan. Please take everything you read with a grain of salt and find out for your selves what is right or wrong.

[buffalo_girl]

I kind of have to agree with the Jewish concept that there are 12 Holy Men living on earth in all time periods.

No one knows who those men are - not even the Holy Men themselves.

So...each righteous man conducts his life as though he were one.

It's the 'rewards on earth; rewards in heaven' deal. You know.

[SmallFarm]

I kind of have to agree with the Jewish concept that there are 12 Holy Men living on earth in all time periods.

No one knows who those men are - not even the Holy Men themselves.

So...each righteous man conducts his life as though he were one.

It's the 'rewards on earth; rewards in heaven' deal. You know.

Thank you for this Pearl of Knowledge :ymhug: