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SwissMrs&Pitchfire · January 25th, 2008, 12:15 pm

http://www.lifeprinciples.net/SuccessatLife.html

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » January 25th, 2008, 12:53 pm

Hey!!! Wait a minute! That was a story I was trying to relay a few weeks ago on another thread!. Great story.

Darren · Post by **Darren** » January 25th, 2008, 1:07 pm

This is of a false doctrine.

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take a siesta with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play guitar with my amigos; I have a full and busy life, señor."

I don't see that being part of Moses 1:39. And not supported by the Oath and Covenant of the Priesthood, the work of Motherhood or of Godhood.

And I wouldn't want to teach that to my children either.

Work is a blessing, started early in the morning, working along side my children, working along side my wife. Working in the village, with my amigos, while the day lasts I will work, and teach others to work.

Recreation has a purpose, it is to allow our minds and hearts to explore so we are better at work.

Such a false doctrine is leisure.

Darren

SwissMrs&Pitchfire · January 25th, 2008, 1:09 pm

Before I will accept that Darren, I will need good and proper definitions of work and leisure.

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » January 25th, 2008, 1:52 pm

Work and leisure should be defined...to make sure we're on the same page. It is one of those topics like faith and works...where you can go back and forth citing scriptures and words of prophets. Hard work and down time both have their place.

Certainly a case could be made that components of the story come off as condoning idleness...that laying around all day and working as little as you have to to make it is really living.....but to me I like the moral of...happiness doesn't have to come by "going corporate".....that you can have a lot of satisfaction from keeping your life simple and deeply enjoying what you have.

SwissMrs&Pitchfire · January 25th, 2008, 2:08 pm

The most important work you do will be within the walls of your own home. What like remodeling? A home business? I don't get it!

Many people read a great deal at work, many people read for leisure? What to think, what to think?

The work of the millennium is temple work and genealogical work and yet it seems such leisure to us now.

ChelC · Post by **ChelC** » January 25th, 2008, 2:37 pm

Good points by all I think. I agree the definitions are up for interpretation. To me work is something productive... could be providing a living for your family, could be developing skills, could be planting a garden, could be refining your mind. Some work can be leisurely work. Leisure and idleness are different. Idleness is watching mindless tv, but not all tv is mindless. I think the important questions to ask are whether any activity be it work or leisure is benefiting your family. Bowling with the family is leisurely activity that allows for quality time and relaxation which is a good thing, unless the family does it in excess and is failing to meet other obligations because of it, then it no longer has benefit to the family.

Maybe we just need to lose the word work and leisure and just focus on one word... progress.

shadow · Post by **shadow** » January 25th, 2008, 2:37 pm

I always look forward to time off for the purpose of spending time with my family. We work on finding joy.

I'd say sleeping late appears to be the false doctrine, and sipping the wine part. I'm not much of a siesta person myself, but it seems like a good sabbath day activity, or so says President Kimball.

I have friends that make a living off of recreational activities. They love it! So is it work or recreation? Should I advise them to get a "real job"?

Now, being lazy is not good. Nothing good comes from idleness.

lundbaek · Post by **lundbaek** » January 25th, 2008, 2:52 pm

R&R is needed to "sharpen the saw".

SwissMrs&Pitchfire · January 25th, 2008, 2:57 pm

Good points!

Elsewhere we have posted the quote that the real gift the Lord grants us is time (a probationary state).

I am positive that we all balance our time according to our gospel based priorities. We will all account for the use of that time. I think the key is not found in observing and judging another, but rather observing and judging ourselves based upon the knowledge and spirit we posses so that we may confidently face the judgment bar and account for our own time.

Darren · Post by **Darren** » January 25th, 2008, 3:02 pm

Proper definitions:

I had to consult with my Linguist friend and dictionary.com

Work from my Linguist friend:
Means from the Germanic, the "Reich of Woden," Woden’s Reich or "Kingdom of Christ."

I see it as the business of the Kingdom of God. Or as our personal covenant of consecration.

Work from dictionary.com:
work (n.) O.E. weorc, worc something done, deed, action, proceeding, business.

Leisure from my Linguist friend:
Means from the Latin: a license to not have to be a slave. Permission to do something else.

Leisure from dictionary.com
leisure "opportunity to do something," also "time at one's disposal," from O.Fr. leisir (Fr. loisir) "permission, leisure, spare time," noun use of infinitive leisir "be permitted," from L. licere "be permitted" (see license). The -u- appeared 16c., probably on analogy of words like pleasure.

The Christian Norsemen operated their entire culture on the word work, as it means the thing we do in pursuit of Moses 1:39. Our personal commitment to God’s purpose. Our looking to Christ.

Leasure is for the Orthodox politician in a top-down controlled existence where you get permission or a license to have spare time.
Get back to work slaves!

Darren

Army Of Truth · Post by **Army Of Truth** » January 25th, 2008, 3:05 pm

ChelC wrote:...Maybe we just need to lose the word work and leisure and just focus on one word... progress.

Progress. Great point. You nailed that right on the head.

I know people at work that only "work" 10% of the time and play online games and surf the internet the other 90% of the time. So it goes both ways obviously. You can be lazy at work or if you lose your job or are between jobs, you can still be working (house work, yard work, raising children) and progressing (scripture reading/studying, homeschooling your children) to the best of your ability until you find a job.

Darren · Post by **Darren** » January 25th, 2008, 3:18 pm

Your acquaintances sound like "tithing saints" only working 10% of the time. Of course if you are working for a boss who can blame you. Boss is a word from Dutch that means Pope. So if you work for a boss, it is after the Orthodox tradition as a slave.

Try working for your own company, you will work much more than 8 hours a day and will love it. Unless your company is lusting after money. Then it is not work but toil. Work should be a joy, giving of yourself to others.

Darren

SwissMrs&Pitchfire · January 25th, 2008, 3:30 pm

Excellent advice Darren.

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » January 25th, 2008, 4:39 pm

You'all are all so smart. I like that notion of "progress".

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