LDS Freedom Forum

Stahura wrote:The problem is, so many people are told that they had it at their confirmation(and maybe they actually did) And they never think twice about whether or not they actually did, and they could spend years(or a lifetime) not having a clue that they had never been Born of God.

Isn't this God's decision? I think some people are very righteous and could possibly go to the CK because their heart is set upon keeping the commandments and being close to the Savior. Besides, all children under age of accountability go to the CK...and look at some of the dumb things they do.

Finrock wrote:

freedomforall wrote:

Thomas wrote:Christ does this himself. He does not turn this duty over to men who can be deceived.

You sure about this?

What does the Lord say to us?

John 13:20
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

So your assertion is not quite on target, right? The Lord does in fact present his will through men.

Another similar statement by the Lord is this:

D&C 84:36,37
36 For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me;
37 And he that receiveth me receiveth my Father;

Or how about this from:

Matt. 10:40 (40–42)
40 ¶He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Or is the Lord in the habit of telling us fibs?

How do you know who is a real servant? I agree and believe in the scripture "For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me". Who is God's servant or who are God's servants? What makes one God's servant? A title? A position?

-Finrock

D&C 93:46
46 I called you servants for the world’s sake, and ye are their servants for my sake—

D&C 124:45
45 And if my people will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my servants whom I have appointed to lead my people, behold, verily I say unto you, they shall not be moved out of their place.

On another note, we all can be his servants in various ways with a caution:

D&C 58:26
26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.

Finrock wrote:

freedomforall wrote: I think I understand the dilemma. Without exposing myself to an abundance of open ridicule I will say this. I know what it is like to be baptized with fire and he HG. Some people call it the refiner's fire. Scriptures call it being born again, having evil rooted out of us. It also says that God will try our reins and heart to see if we will remain faithful and committed. But I think whatever it is called everything is all inclusive. Repentance is painful sometimes. To have Fire and the HG is to have all of our sins remitted and to be changed from a carnal nature to a righteous nature and to learn to abhor sin. Once sins have been remitted, the HG fills that person with peace and joy, all pain, anguish, torment and guilt having been swept away. However, if people were to watch themselves and stand in holy places at all times, this experience would possibly not be necessary. I have also experienced the horrifying buffetings of Satan.

D&C 82:21
21 And the soul that sins against this covenant, and hardeneth his heart against it, shall be dealt with according to the laws of my church, and shall be delivered over to the buffetings of Satan until the day of redemption.

My experiences have given me some knowledge as to how the HG works and what it feels like to have guilt, pain, anguish and torment intensified to the point that suicide looks real good. And these people who treat my experiences with disdain, ridicule and belittling remarks...within the last five years...make me :ymsick:
I hope they do not have to experience such a horrifying experience. I was merely foolish to try and escape the wrath of God. Afterward, I have thanked him so much for having that much mercy as to remove my sins even if it was painful at the time. I know what it is to be born again.

I appreciate you sharing your experience because I can relate to it in many ways. I am sorry that you have had to endure such suffering where taking your life feels better. It is really horrible! I am also glad that you have found salvation from those feelings in the atonement of Jesus Christ!

-Finrock

Thank you, I appreciate this.

freedomforall wrote:

Finrock wrote:

freedomforall wrote:

Thomas wrote:Christ does this himself. He does not turn this duty over to men who can be deceived.

You sure about this?

What does the Lord say to us?

John 13:20
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

So your assertion is not quite on target, right? The Lord does in fact present his will through men.

Another similar statement by the Lord is this:

D&C 84:36,37
36 For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me;
37 And he that receiveth me receiveth my Father;

Or how about this from:

Matt. 10:40 (40–42)
40 ¶He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Or is the Lord in the habit of telling us fibs?

How do you know who is a real servant? I agree and believe in the scripture "For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me". Who is God's servant or who are God's servants? What makes one God's servant? A title? A position?

-Finrock

D&C 93:46
46 I called you servants for the world’s sake, and ye are their servants for my sake—

D&C 124:45
45 And if my people will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my servants whom I have appointed to lead my people, behold, verily I say unto you, they shall not be moved out of their place.

On another note, we all can be his servants in various ways with a caution:

D&C 58:26
26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.

freedomforall, thank you for the response!

Yes, these scriptures tell us that God calls servants, it tell us that if we receive God's servants we receive Him, etc. But, how do you know, freedomforall, who is God's servant? Before we follow God's servants don't we need to identify them? What identifies God's servants so that one may "receive them"?

-Finrock

Finrock wrote:

freedomforall wrote: You sure about this?

What does the Lord say to us?

John 13:20
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

So your assertion is not quite on target, right? The Lord does in fact present his will through men.

Another similar statement by the Lord is this:

D&C 84:36,37
36 For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me;
37 And he that receiveth me receiveth my Father;

Or how about this from:

Matt. 10:40 (40–42)
40 ¶He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Or is the Lord in the habit of telling us fibs?

How do you know who is a real servant? I agree and believe in the scripture "For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me". Who is God's servant or who are God's servants? What makes one God's servant? A title? A position?

-Finrock

D&C 93:46
46 I called you servants for the world’s sake, and ye are their servants for my sake—

D&C 124:45
45 And if my people will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my servants whom I have appointed to lead my people, behold, verily I say unto you, they shall not be moved out of their place.

On another note, we all can be his servants in various ways with a caution:

D&C 58:26
26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.[/quote]

Finrock wrote: freedomforall, thank you for the response!

Yes, these scriptures tell us that God calls servants, it tell us that if we receive God's servants we receive Him, etc. But, how do you know, freedomforall, who is God's servant? Before we follow God's servants don't we need to identify them? What identifies God's servants so that one may "receive them"?

-Finrock

D&C 124:45
45 And if my people will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my servants whom I have appointed to lead my people, behold, verily I say unto you, they shall not be moved out of their place.

This verse tells us that God calls servants TO LEAD THIS PEOPLE...so it is evident that we are to follow his prophet.
Secondly, the message here is two fold: that by receiving the prophet and being obedient to his voice. coupled with hearkening to the voice of the Lord...we (the Lord says "my people) will not be moved out of our place.

Therefore, following the prophet, obeying his voice, is essential.

There are other scriptures as well.

freedomforall wrote:

Finrock wrote:

freedomforall wrote: You sure about this?

What does the Lord say to us?

John 13:20
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

So your assertion is not quite on target, right? The Lord does in fact present his will through men.

Another similar statement by the Lord is this:

D&C 84:36,37
36 For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me;
37 And he that receiveth me receiveth my Father;

Or how about this from:

Matt. 10:40 (40–42)
40 ¶He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Or is the Lord in the habit of telling us fibs?

How do you know who is a real servant? I agree and believe in the scripture "For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me". Who is God's servant or who are God's servants? What makes one God's servant? A title? A position?

-Finrock

D&C 93:46
46 I called you servants for the world’s sake, and ye are their servants for my sake—

D&C 124:45
45 And if my people will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my servants whom I have appointed to lead my people, behold, verily I say unto you, they shall not be moved out of their place.

On another note, we all can be his servants in various ways with a caution:

D&C 58:26
26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.

Finrock wrote: freedomforall, thank you for the response!

Yes, these scriptures tell us that God calls servants, it tell us that if we receive God's servants we receive Him, etc. But, how do you know, freedomforall, who is God's servant? Before we follow God's servants don't we need to identify them? What identifies God's servants so that one may "receive them"?

-Finrock

freedomforall wrote:D&C 124:45
45 And if my people will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my servants whom I have appointed to lead my people, behold, verily I say unto you, they shall not be moved out of their place.

This verse tells us that God calls servants TO LEAD THIS PEOPLE...so it is evident that we are to follow his prophet.
Secondly, the message here is two fold: that by receiving the prophet and being obedient to his voice. coupled with hearkening to the voice of the Lord...we (the Lord says "my people) will not be moved out of our place.

Therefore, following the prophet, obeying his voice, is essential.

There are other scriptures as well.

The verse you quoted says that if God's people hearken unto the voice of God and the voice of God's servants which he has appointed to lead God's people, God's people shall not be moved out of their place.

But, as I said earlier, I wholeheartedly agree that we should hearken unto the voice of God's servants if God's servants are speaking to us or leading us. The question at hand, however, is how does one identify who God's servants are? How can I identify God's servants? Or I mean more generally, how can anyone identify God's servants? Is it by title? By position? By what standard do we tell who is God's servant?

-Finrock

By their fruits. Are they keeping "all" the commandments of Jesus Christ or are they not.

But you must come to know of yourselves "all" the commandments of Jesus Christ to know of these things, and not be blinded and binded by the Beast of ignorance, to be led into captivity of the Devil. ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:By their fruits. Are they keeping "all" the commandments of Jesus Christ or are they not.

But you must come to know of yourselves "all" the commandments of Jesus Christ to know of these things, and not be blinded and binded by the Beast of ignorance, to be led into captivity of the Devil. ♡

Hi Robert Sinclair! It is a pleasure to meet you. I've appreciated your Book of Enoch thread and before joining the forums I read many of your posts and felt much truth in them. Thank you!

I think by their fruits is a good way of identifying. However, what do you mean by "all"? That is a good question, I think.

I think perhaps you are speaking to that question in your post. Maybe in couched words, but I think you are.

-Finrock

It will help you if you do a personal hand written copy of everything Jesus Christ has said to do, and every single way that Jesus Christ has said to be like, and every single thing that Jesus Christ has said to know. Start with Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and 3rd Nephi. For the parables write down what you feel the message is Jesus is making.

Read this report over and over, day and night laboring to memorize all these things.

Then finish the balance of the "One Stick" of all these things as well.

Keep and treasure this report and xerox copies and store where you can refer to it often.

Also to help you listen to audio versions of the scriptures day and night while you are unable to read. You can even play the scriptures all night long on low in the background, saying your prayers at night, that the Lord will allow these words of his to enter into your heart.

Put his words you may struggle with upon your walls and doors and cabinets and anywhere it might help remind you to look, these are things Moses taught, of the Lord to help the people learn the words of God.

Once you have memorized all his words, you will see this is of more worth to your very soul, than all the wealth of the entire world, and no one will be able to mislead you, or take away this knowledge from you, if you always hold fast to the words of God given through the Savior of this world, even the LORD Jesus Christ.

Any man not doing all these things you will come to know perfectly.

Good to have this knowledge and follow these instructions yourself, keeping all his commandments, notwithstanding all those who will call you a fool and even worse, they may get angry at you and wish to harm you or even kill you, so be wise but harmless always watchful as Jesus Christ has said.

I am only a brother and fellow servant, but I do care and desire that others come to know these things as I have come to know them or even far greater.

May God bless you in this search of all his words of great counsel and commandments, that you may feed his sheep and help him in this great work, of redeeming and building Zion. ♡

Finrock wrote:

freedomforall wrote:

Finrock wrote:

freedomforall wrote: You sure about this?

What does the Lord say to us?

John 13:20
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

So your assertion is not quite on target, right? The Lord does in fact present his will through men.

Another similar statement by the Lord is this:

D&C 84:36,37
36 For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me;
37 And he that receiveth me receiveth my Father;

Or how about this from:

Matt. 10:40 (40–42)
40 ¶He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Or is the Lord in the habit of telling us fibs?

How do you know who is a real servant? I agree and believe in the scripture "For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me". Who is God's servant or who are God's servants? What makes one God's servant? A title? A position?

-Finrock

D&C 93:46
46 I called you servants for the world’s sake, and ye are their servants for my sake—

D&C 124:45
45 And if my people will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my servants whom I have appointed to lead my people, behold, verily I say unto you, they shall not be moved out of their place.

On another note, we all can be his servants in various ways with a caution:

D&C 58:26
26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.

Finrock wrote: freedomforall, thank you for the response!

Yes, these scriptures tell us that God calls servants, it tell us that if we receive God's servants we receive Him, etc. But, how do you know, freedomforall, who is God's servant? Before we follow God's servants don't we need to identify them? What identifies God's servants so that one may "receive them"?

-Finrock

freedomforall wrote:D&C 124:45
45 And if my people will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my servants whom I have appointed to lead my people, behold, verily I say unto you, they shall not be moved out of their place.

This verse tells us that God calls servants TO LEAD THIS PEOPLE...so it is evident that we are to follow his prophet.
Secondly, the message here is two fold: that by receiving the prophet and being obedient to his voice. coupled with hearkening to the voice of the Lord...we (the Lord says "my people) will not be moved out of our place.

Therefore, following the prophet, obeying his voice, is essential.

There are other scriptures as well.

The verse you quoted says that if God's people hearken unto the voice of God and the voice of God's servants which he has appointed to lead God's people, God's people shall not be moved out of their place.

But, as I said earlier, I wholeheartedly agree that we should hearken unto the voice of God's servants if God's servants are speaking to us or leading us. The question at hand, however, is how does one identify who God's servants are? How can I identify God's servants? Or I mean more generally, how can anyone identify God's servants? Is it by title? By position? By what standard do we tell who is God's servant?

-Finrock

How many people are called to lead the members of the Lord's church? Does it not stand to reason that all the holy prophets up to and including President Monson are the servants called by God to lead his people? Are they not easy to identify?

By their fruits you shall know, are they keeping all the commandments of Jesus Christ or not. And do they have the testimony of speaking with Jesus Christ face to face. For it not, weep and howl and sound the alarm, that an awakening may take place, and Ephraim return to honor his calling and election, of redeeming the Zion of God, by establishing it's law and laying it's foundation, as instructed by Jesus Christ. ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:By their fruits you shall know, are they keeping all the commandments of Jesus Christ or not. And do they have the testimony of speaking with Jesus Christ face to face. For it not, weep and howl and sound the alarm, that an awakening may take place, and Ephraim return to honor his calling and election, of redeeming the Zion of God, by establishing it's law and laying it's foundation, as instructed by Jesus Christ. ♡

Where in scripture are we told that prophets are required to see Jesus face top face in order to be considered a prophet? Robert, there is not one person on this earth that does not sin one way or another, not one. To place such ridiculous conditions on someone is beyond reason. We are told to follow the prophet by Jesus Christ, himself, and this is all there is to it. Was he not mocked, spit upon, treated like crap by others as well. But it didn't change who he was and is one iota, did it?
How many times does this scripture have to be posted before someone will have their light come on?

Moroni 10:32,33 This applies to anyone seeking salvation in the kingdom of God, anyone that gets baptized under proper authority, anyone committed to keeping the commandments and striving to live as Christ taught.

32 Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.
33 And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot.

Please digest this scripture and then apply the meaning to the very prophets, called by God, that they are sanctified in Christ, are holy, have their sins remitted and then without spot.

To claim otherwise is to deny the power of God. Just who do you think either remitted your sins or can do so? Let's give our prophet and leaders more credit than to assume they are not perfect in Christ.

Why do you or any other uninformed people keep having to cast doubts. The gospel is lived individually not collectively. There are lots of church members that have much sin inside because they do not repent and seek forgiveness. Instead, they, at times, try to cover their sins with false pretense of being righteous...but God knows who are clean before him and those not. An unrighteous church President would not be able to lead and would become a stumbling block to the body of the church.

When they do their best no less than the rest of us...let's not worry about how many times they saw Jesus. What really matters is how we act, what we do in the name of righteous, and how we conduct ourselves.
Some of us just may be increasingly much less than those we are quick to judge.

This is my way of weeping and howling and sounding the alarm. Should we all not heed the voice of God coming to us right from the pages of scripture? Then we can worry about our own timing as to when the face of Jesus can be revealed, when God feels we are ready to see it.

Please consider the written words in this post and not bypassing them with other questions geared to ignore the answers needed for understanding by those casting doubts. This weeping, howling and sounding the alarm is right in scripture if one truly looks for it. We are to become like Christ is, not the other way around.

Jeremiah 23. ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:Jeremiah 23. ♡

I rest my case, Robert. Always dodging, always redirecting instead of answering simple questions in simple terms. I'm not new to the scriptures, believe me.

You asked where prophets are required to see his face, as opposed to just dreams, and I put up the chapter that the LORD for the "latter days" says you will consider it perfectly. ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:Jeremiah 23. ♡

Oh, great, just great. Using the words in this chapter to discredit, to cast ugliness unto our prophets so people will not consider anyone as being righteous enough to be a mouthpiece for God? This is unbelievable.

Jeremiah
Chapter 23

The remnants of Israel will be gathered in the last days—The Branch, who is the King (the Messiah), will reign in righteousness—False prophets who teach lies will be cursed.

Does this say ALL PROPHETS, or just any bad ones? This doesn't even come close to your analysis and evil thoughts toward our living, righteous prophets. Men's thoughts and supposed wisdom is but foolishness before God.

By their testimonies you will know, for the latter days perfectly, how much clearer can it be? ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:You asked where prophets are required to see his face, as opposed to just dreams, and I put up the chapter that the LORD for the "latter days" says you will consider it perfectly. ♡

It doesn't teach us to treat all of them as heretics or reprobates either. You seem to want to clump all prophets in the same category ready to go to hell. This is mighty shameful.

Robert Sinclair wrote:By their testimonies you will know, for the latter days perfectly, how much clearer can it be? ♡

Much clearer than you give credit for in their behalf. You deny the power of God by these inflicted judgements being cast upon our church leaders and prophet. Judgement that is not yours to make, only to follow them as told to by God himself. Anything they may do wrong will be answered for by them as it is any of us.
By their works, right? When is the last time a prophet told us to ignore scripture, to steal, to commit adultery, to hate our neighbor or to treat each other as hell-bound nutcases?
Justification for not following our prophet is sin. Let's begin here and move forward.

They are my fellow brothers every bit as much as you. I desire neither of you to suffer, nor be cast into the fiery abyss, as salt that has lost it's savor, for rejecting the law of God to be equal in their temporal things with their sheep. You cannot reject the words of Jesus Christ to let people sue you at the law and take away your goods, by hiring armies of lawyers, neither can you openly sell the words of Christ for money, which thing has been forbidden, nor keep the tithes away from the poor of his house for long, before having to answer for all these things. It is my wish, to halt this possible, wrath to come upon this house of Ephraim, causing it to become desolate in the day of rebuke, for such loftiness that has come into his vineyard.

But for some it is written the people love to have it so.

I would hope better for all of you, that you may not be unhappy in a time to come, but that an awakening take place and being ashamed, and atonement. ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:They are my fellow brothers every bit as much as you. I desire neither of you to suffer, nor be cast into the fiery abyss, as salt that has lost it's savor, for rejecting the law of God to be equal in their temporal things with their sheep. You cannot reject the words of Jesus Christ to let people sue you at the law and take away your goods, by hiring armies of lawyers, neither can you openly sell the words of Christ for money, which thing has been forbidden, nor keep the tithes away from the poor of his house for long, before having to answer for all these things. It is my wish, to halt this possible, wrath to come upon this house of Ephraim, causing it to become desolate in the day of rebuke, for such loftiness that has come into his vineyard.

But for some it is written the people love to have it so.

I would hope better for all of you, that you may not be unhappy in a time to come, but that an awakening take place and being ashamed, and atonement. ♡

Where is your absolute proof of the poor being ignored? Tithing being held back? Do you not know the Lord teaches self reliance? Do you not know thatr we are to earn our keep by he sweat of our own brow? Do you need scriptures before you will believe this?
Charity starts with each of us, not by complaint of what the church as a whole does. They do send food to he poor and destitute. I myself have benefited by getting food from the church a few times. It's called the welfare program. But I didn't expect to stay on the program for years on end, this is not what its designed for. Self reliance is needed. Our giving to the poor is a directive by God that we, the members, are to learn and do. After all, are we all considered as beggars? Do we not ask God for something each day? Expecting the church to compensate for our lack of charity doesn't hold water.
And it certainly doesn't justify cutting down the church and its leaders, not by a long shot.

The proof of everything you need is in the "One Stick" held in the hands of Ephraim, all they need do is look and live.♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:The proof of everything you need is in the "One Stick" held in the hands of Ephraim, all they need do is look and live.♡

Too much double talk for me. Since you like "one" so much...here: One Lord, One faith, One baptism.

Become "one" with Christ.

God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are "one".

All the scriptures, the stick of Judah and the stick of Ephraim...which is the bible, the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrine and Covenants are "one" in our hand.

The Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the gospel, helping us to become "one" with the Savior.

So every"one" can become "one" with Christ and "one" in truth.

What is so wrong to repeat the things written herein for the house of Ephraim, given the greater things of his celestial law, which have been rejected, and the LORD has said to weep and howl and sound the alarm for these things, that the old men and administers of his law can awaken and give ear, and return? ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:What is so wrong to repeat the things written herein for the house of Ephraim, given the greater things of his celestial law, which have been rejected, and the LORD has said to weep and howl and sound the alarm for these things, that the old men and administers of his law can awaken and give ear, and return? ♡

It's really based on how we go about it. You left out the house of Israel, of which, the Gentles are adopted into. The Lord is going about gathering the house of Israel. Christ is of that lineage being Jewish himself.
If we're going to sound an alarm, let's do it in behalf of all of God's chosen people, even our modern day prophets, There are the church of God and the church of the devil, the whore of all the earth.

2 Nephi 28:18
18 But behold, that great and abominable church, the whore of all the earth, must tumble to the earth, and great must be the fall thereof.

1 Nephi 13:26
26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away.

1 Nephi 22:13
13 And the blood of that great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall turn upon their own heads; for they shall war among themselves, and the sword of their own hands shall fall upon their own heads, and they shall be drunken with their own blood.

1 Nephi 13:28
28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.

1 Nephi 14:17
17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel. The house of what?

2 Nephi 10:16
16 Wherefore, he that fighteth against Zion, both Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male and female, shall perish; for they are they who are the whore of all the earth; for they who are not for me are against me, saith our God.

So let's weep and howl and send an alarm against the great and abominable church, the mother of harlots, the kingdom of the devil, shall we?