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Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way!
Posted: April 29th, 2012, 9:50 pm
by ithink
The Catholics have reintroduced indulgences. From a couple of old links:
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/02/10/ ... -indulgen/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/nyreg ... r=1&ref=us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There are partial indulgences, which reduce purgatorial time by a certain number of days or years, and plenary indulgences, which eliminate all of it, until another sin is committed. You can get one for yourself, or for someone who is dead. You cannot buy one — the church outlawed the sale of indulgences in 1567 — but charitable contributions, combined with other acts, can help you earn one. There is a limit of one plenary indulgence per sinner per day.
Funny language: " You cannot buy one — ...— but charitable contributions... can help you earn one." Nice double speak there.
I'm sure glad us Mormons aren't like the Catholics and are not required to pay any "charitable contributions" to secure our salvation in any way shape or form, which would be particularly pernicious to the poor among us.
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: April 30th, 2012, 12:06 pm
by braingrunt
If only I had known that tithing was a substitute for repentance, I could have saved myself a lot of effort. But those around me were never wise enough as you to point out that we have indulgences in the church; so I got stuck doing things the hard way. Where were you when I needed you?
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: April 30th, 2012, 2:35 pm
by 7cylon7
This is an anti-Christ tread.
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: April 30th, 2012, 10:45 pm
by braingrunt
In case it wasn't clear, I was being ironic.
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: April 30th, 2012, 11:03 pm
by ChelC
Good gravy, if you don't want to pay tithing to the church then don't. How many more ways can we have this discussion?
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: April 30th, 2012, 11:35 pm
by Eddie Lyle
ChelC wrote:Good gravy, if you don't want to pay tithing to the church then don't. How many more ways can we have this discussion?
Amen!
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: May 1st, 2012, 8:08 am
by ldsfireguy
iThink,
Whatever spiritual benefit one can gain from paying tithing is completely lost if that tithing is paid grudgingly. I absolutely agree with the prior poster ... if you do not want to pay tithing as it is defined by the current priesthood leadership, then for goodness sakes don't pay it. When you feel the need and/or the desire to pay tithing, then do it - but wait until you genuinely want to do so.
You are fighting against yourself by doing so against your will.
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: May 1st, 2012, 9:57 am
by kathyn
Ithink, your posts seem to be getting more and more critical of the Church. What's your problem?
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: May 1st, 2012, 10:05 am
by shadow
kathyn wrote:Ithink, your posts seem to be getting more and more critical of the Church. What's your problem?
He's just trying to fit in :ymparty:
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: May 1st, 2012, 12:46 pm
by ChelC
shadow wrote:kathyn wrote:Ithink, your posts seem to be getting more and more critical of the Church. What's your problem?
He's just trying to fit in :ymparty:
Now THAT'S funny.
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: May 1st, 2012, 3:57 pm
by HeirofNumenor
shadow wrote:kathyn wrote:Ithink, your posts seem to be getting more and more critical of the Church. What's your problem?
He's just trying to fit in :ymparty:
=)) Sad, but true...
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Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: May 1st, 2012, 6:45 pm
by ithink
shadow wrote:kathyn wrote:Ithink, your posts seem to be getting more and more critical of the Church. What's your problem?
He's just trying to fit in :ymparty:
That is funny.
Now what is my problem? I have lots of them, where should I start? And I was not aware I was getting more critical of the church, I had supposed one could not get more critical than I am and remain indoors, so perhaps I am getting weak.
But actually, I was pondering the state of the catholics about 200 AD, and the state of us mormons about 200 AR after reading those articles. I was pondering how today, everything is slick and tidy, smooth and well oiled. It sure looks good, fine, and dandy -- dare I say "well", but is it? I was put in this state of mind about a week ago by that prophet of doom: Hosea! Hosea was left open in the bathroom, or should I say the book of Hosea, and I made the stupid mistake of stopping to read those open pages: "The beginning of the word of the Lord by Hosea. And the Lord said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the Lord. ... Then said God, Call his name Lo-ammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God."
Sorry, but I can't help but see the ominous parallels between "them" and "us". I am not one who thinks all is well in zion. Forgive me for bringing my thoughts to air again, but you can blame Hosea this time.
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: May 1st, 2012, 6:50 pm
by ChelC
There is nothing wrong with having questions. But when the same topic is revived ad nauseum it stops looking like questions, and it starts looking like criticism.
Re: Catholic indulgences? Yep. Mormon indulgences? No way
Posted: May 2nd, 2012, 12:42 pm
by ithink
ChelC wrote:There is nothing wrong with having questions. But when the same topic is revived ad nauseum it stops looking like questions, and it starts looking like criticism.
It is criticism. No doubt about that. But is that not what the scriptures are doing? Isaiah is full of repetition, Jeremiah -- full. How many times can they say the same thing? How about some Isaiah, and this was brought to ming as I pondered our wonderful new bright and shiny shopping complex:
They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?
11 Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together.
12 The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint.
13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.
14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it.
15 Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.
16 He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:
17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
19 And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?
20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?
"Prophets have always taught by repetition;...." (Dieter F. Uchtdorf)
Now we both know that I receive a LOT of criticism on this forum for what I say. Others that speak as I do to, and this scripture just quoted tells why: "They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand."