LDS Freedom Forum

Mark wrote:

Nan wrote:OI, I think where we need to be more concerned is about how righteous people are in their personal life. I love the constitution, but many people in this world live without it. It is when people become wicked that we need to be concerned. I believe there are many more important decisions that people will make that will be judge much more than who they voted for and if they were fooled by a politician. Look at how many more people fall into sin because they are fooled by satan.
But above others, we need to be most concerned with our own righteousness. Whether or not we are in sin. If we are in sin it is best if we change it instead of being so concerned about others. I feel the reason the brethren are focused on the things they are is because they know where the real battle is and it isn't at the ballot box. The real battle is within our own hearts and whether or not we are going to choose Christ once again here on earth. It is Satan who is trying to sew all the anger in the political arena. I have strong political beliefs, but am no longer willing to argue with people because I had the realization just how much Satan is attacking people in this area. He wants us angry and upset. He wants us to see the unfairness and dishonest and be angry about it. Instead of making sure we are honest in our own lives. Christ does not want us angry and upset with others. If we are angry and upset we cannot serve others. We are not being Christ like. (Please don't bring up the money changers. That was not political. That was desecrating the Temple.) The only way to help people is to give them the gospel, help people live it better, and/or love people so they can find Christ. I have found that as the arguing has gone up, Gospel discussion has gone down. There was a lovely post about what Elder Ballard said at BYUI that was turned into and anti-romney post. I would have preferred for the gospel discussion to have continued, but it couldn't because of bickering.
This world is getting uglier, but we must rise above it and choose Christ. Instead Satan is swaying us to become the ugliness and it makes me sad.

As always Nan it is easy to see why you are grounded in the gospel. Just a friendly tip for you. Get John Pontius book "The Triumph of Zion: Our Personal Quest for the New Jerusalem". It is a wonderful collection of quotes and thoughts concerning our personal journey to become a zion-like (translated) person so as to be worthy to live with those from the city of Enoch and the Savior in the glorious New Jerusalem. Everything else really is just background noise used expertly by the adversary to get us off that true path to Zion. Flee Babylon! :ymhug:

Nan wrote:So we need to be baptized and confirmed to have the presence of the Holy Ghost with us. What if to go to the third kingdom you need that ordinance done for you?

bobhenstra wrote:

Nan wrote:So we need to be baptized and confirmed to have the presence of the Holy Ghost with us. What if to go to the third kingdom you need that ordinance done for you?

Yes, that's why we do it for the dead! Then the dead must repent of sins and of lack of knowledge and accept the temple work done for them, and then serve others in the glories of the Spirit World.

Truth is, the Spirit World glories are just an extension of this mortal kingdom experience. Resurrection comes after repentance, and knowledge. Total forgiveness comes during the steps of the resurrection, that's when we remember everything bad thing we've done we've repented of but haven't been forgiven of prior---As resurrected beings we are then called to serve our brothers and sisters still in kingdoms and their glories. The assignments to other (lower) Kingdoms to serve is a calling!

When you read of glories in the 76th section think Spirit World. When you read of Kingdoms think of this physical earth upon which we stand or it's future changes.

Thank you Nan,

Bob

KOMYU wrote:Gotta love Mark and Bobby. They throw doctrine out there which is good to taste. Good to taste ......isn't that confirmation bob that you speak truth?

KOMYU wrote:Gotta love Mark and Bobby. They throw doctrine out there which is good to taste. Good to taste ......isn't that confirmation bob that you speak truth?

Asked about the spirit world, the prophet Joseph replied, "Enveloped in flaming fire [he's talking about disembodied spirits], they are not far from us. They know our thoughts, motions, and feelings and are often pained therewith."12 Elsewhere he says they are likewise often rejoiced therewith: "The heavens weep for joy."13 They are not idle spectators. Somehow there are laws that enable them to have some influence upon us and we upon them. In the temple these laws are fulfilled. Parley P. Pratt taught that for the pure in heart, "soul meets soul, thought meets thought, love meets love."14

We do not comprehend what a blessing to them these ordinances are. In the resurrection, Joseph taught Horace Cummings, they will fall at the feet of those who have done their work, kiss their feet, embrace their knees, and manifest the most exquisite gratitude.

Wilford Woodruff who dedicated the Salt Lake Temple taught that "there will be few if any who will not receive the ordinances of the temple when they are performed for them."15 Elder John W. Taylor, while attending the Manti Temple dedication, concluded that only one in ten would refuse the ordinances. He added, "how many who are kept in prison are not ready to come out?"16

I still worry about those whom I know are on medications and having been trained, I can spot them easily....yes, even in anonymous websites like this. I guess that is why I don't get riled up as much anymore.
Thanks for all your wisdom and caring about our brothers and sisters.