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Re: 182nd Semi Annual General Conference (April 2012)
Posted: April 4th, 2012, 5:58 pm
by AGStacker
7cylon7 -
I believe the exact opposite of you regarding the parable. I think it is a wonderful parable! My interpretation is that it doesn't matter at what hour a man or woman decides to repent of their sins, become humble and obey the commandments of God. Their reward is the same as those who have done so from birth.
Also, as a worker, it is none of your business what your employer contracts to pay the other worker.
Those workers, members from a younger age, should be grateful that they did not spend so much time wondering with great anxiety. They knew where they should be all along.
*Note - I only read the first part of your message regarding the parable before responding.
Either way, spiritually and temporarily I think it is fair.
Speaking of good things, I love driving home from work and being able to see the Arizona Gilbert temple in the midst of being constructed.
Re: 182nd Semi Annual General Conference (April 2012)
Posted: April 4th, 2012, 7:06 pm
by liberty_belle
AGStacker wrote:
Speaking of good things, I love driving home from work and being able to see the Arizona Gilbert temple in the midst of being constructed.
AGS, I drove by yesterday (its been about a month since my last drive by) to Gilbert Mercy where my sister was being tested to see if she had a stroke (thankfully she had not)...and saw the beautiful Temple standing above all the buildings in the area. It was such an awesome sight, I cant wait until its finished!
Re: 182nd Semi Annual General Conference (April 2012)
Posted: April 4th, 2012, 11:16 pm
by LateOutOfBed
AGStacker wrote:
Speaking of good things, I love driving home from work and being able to see the Arizona Gilbert temple in the midst of being constructed.
You guys live close to me! I can jog to the new temple if I wanted to run a 1/2 marathon round trip! (I'm working my way up to that distance, just not there yet!)
-- Geoff
Re: 182nd Semi Annual General Conference (April 2012)
Posted: April 5th, 2012, 8:40 am
by 7cylon7
Stella Solaris wrote:Wow! I'm astonished at all the negative comments about Elder Wilson's General Conference talk. I guess it's true that people will get what they want out of a talk. As I was listening to him speak, I never once got the impression he was talking to men or referring to men when he talked about unrighteous dominion. Quite the opposite, I got that he was talking to EVERYONE, but most especially to leaders in the Church (on any level), and parents (which includes men AND women). But the very main thing that struck me was his comments on agency - that's what his talk was really about, at least in my opinion - in essence, he was reminding us of what the war in heaven was faught over and that we are all still very much in that fight.
I would encourage everyone to read his talk again with an open mind - ignore the little story he told at first, and get to the part that starts with, "This scripture says we must lead by “principles of righteousness.” Such principles apply to
all leaders in the Church as well as to all fathers
and mothers in their homes." - and read the rest from there. It's one of the most excellent talks on agency and parenting I've ever heard. I'm eternally grateful for a husband who keeps his covenants and leads righteously in our home - I wouldn't want it any other way - but that's not what I thought his talk was about at all. Please read it again...
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I think you missed my point completely. People don't think critically anymore. We are so programed to just see what is on the cover of the book and never really read the book. GAs are not perfect people folks. I had a GA say that the economy was great and recovering well. See that was a personal statement which showed his ignorance of the true facts. He meant well but informed people can think critically and know that this statement was not well thought out.
Just to clarify for you. I agree with this talk whole heartedly, yet is there really a problem in the church with unrighteous dominion? Maybe you people in utah have a problem with this? (sarcastic) I have never seen it in all my years, not even once. The only place I see this happening is in GOVERNMENT, POLICE, TEACHERS, CIA, FBI, FEMA, US CONGRESS, SENATE, STATE OFFICIALS and in corporations, CEO, CFO, VP HR..ect . Maybe he was talking to MITT or about MITT?
This seemed to me to be another attack on manhood. The trend these days to put men down. To make our boys into whimpering mountains of mush. It's easy to take over a population where all the men are whimpering mountains of mush instead of strong, god fearing men. Don't stand up for what is right in your homes and churches because someone might think you are using unrighteous dominion.
Re: 182nd Semi Annual General Conference (April 2012)
Posted: April 5th, 2012, 8:46 am
by 7cylon7
AGStacker wrote:7cylon7 -
I believe the exact opposite of you regarding the parable. I think it is a wonderful parable! My interpretation is that it doesn't matter at what hour a man or woman decides to repent of their sins, become humble and obey the commandments of God. Their reward is the same as those who have done so from birth.
Also, as a worker, it is none of your business what your employer contracts to pay the other worker.
Those workers, members from a younger age, should be grateful that they did not spend so much time wondering with great anxiety. They knew where they should be all along.
*Note - I only read the first part of your message regarding the parable before responding.
Either way, spiritually and temporarily I think it is fair.
Speaking of good things, I love driving home from work and being able to see the Arizona Gilbert temple in the midst of being constructed.
Did you read my full post? Okay I would like to hire you to pick my cotton fields then. Please come over at 8 am and I will give you 12.50 an hour. 8 to 5pm no breaks. that comes out to $100... I appreciate it. I am however going to have my best friend come over at 4 pm and only work 1 hour and he is going to be doing the same work that you are and I am going to pay him $100 for one hour.
Tell me is that okay with you? Great. I have lots of other things I like to get done and I would love to pay you a slaves wage for all that work. I love this. I have a yard to mow for you, garage to clean out....
Re: 182nd Semi Annual General Conference (April 2012)
Posted: April 5th, 2012, 8:53 am
by Juliette
The meek shall inherit the earth, Ps. 37:11
I really do think that you have misunderstood. It is not turning a man into mush to expect great things from him.
And visa versa.
You seem bitter about something? No offense intended.
Re: 182nd Semi Annual General Conference (April 2012)
Posted: April 5th, 2012, 9:19 am
by Original_Intent
7cylon7 wrote:AGStacker wrote:7cylon7 -
I believe the exact opposite of you regarding the parable. I think it is a wonderful parable! My interpretation is that it doesn't matter at what hour a man or woman decides to repent of their sins, become humble and obey the commandments of God. Their reward is the same as those who have done so from birth.
Also, as a worker, it is none of your business what your employer contracts to pay the other worker.
Those workers, members from a younger age, should be grateful that they did not spend so much time wondering with great anxiety. They knew where they should be all along.
*Note - I only read the first part of your message regarding the parable before responding.
Either way, spiritually and temporarily I think it is fair.
Speaking of good things, I love driving home from work and being able to see the Arizona Gilbert temple in the midst of being constructed.
Did you read my full post? Okay I would like to hire you to pick my cotton fields then. Please come over at 8 am and I will give you 12.50 an hour. 8 to 5pm no breaks. that comes out to $100... I appreciate it. I am however going to have my best friend come over at 4 pm and only work 1 hour and he is going to be doing the same work that you are and I am going to pay him $100 for one hour.
Tell me is that okay with you? Great. I have lots of other things I like to get done and I would love to pay you a slaves wage for all that work. I love this. I have a yard to mow for you, garage to clean out....
Cylon, you are the best. And I completely understand your feeling on this - but I also believe that for Zion to be truly established, we will have to overcome this mindset. If we agree to work a certain time for a certain wage, then it should not concern us at all what anyone else is paid or how long they work - the only thing that really matters is that the agreement we made is fulfilled. But we do indeed have a society that does care. A study was done, and for a certain job everyone was paid about $40,000 per year and most were more or less happy. Then they had a group do the same job, and one guy was paid $80,000 per year and everyone else was paid $100,000, and of course the $80,000 guy was miserable and unhappy. This is the doing the same job that the other group was paid just $40,000 for. We are prone to envy, to feel that we are being treated unfairly, that we contribute more than average and rewarded less than average. We have got to root that out of ourselves.
Re: 182nd Semi Annual General Conference (April 2012)
Posted: April 5th, 2012, 9:30 am
by 7cylon7
Juliette wrote:The meek shall inherit the earth, Ps. 37:11
I really do think that you have misunderstood. It is not turning a man into mush to expect great things from him.
And visa versa.
You seem bitter about something? No offense intended.
The only bitterness here is that you posted. Talk to the hand. =; l-)