LDS Freedom Forum

braingrunt wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 2:01 pm

topcat wrote: ↑April 17th, 2019, 1:36 pm

braingrunt wrote: ↑January 17th, 2013, 12:18 pm Most of us in the church are identified with the gentiles. What some people do, if I perceive correctly, is to make references to the gentiles pertain particularly to the church; no doubt some do, but by&large I believe the most correct target for most statements is the cultural USA.
Consider this one:

3Ne30


1 Hearken, O ye Gentiles, and hear the words of Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God, which he hath commanded me that I should speak concerning you, for, behold he commandeth me that I should write, saying:

2 Turn, all ye Gentiles, from your wicked ways; and repent of your evil doings, of your lyings and deceivings, and of your whoredoms, and of your secret abominations, and your idolatries, and of your murders, and your priestcrafts, and your envyings, and your strifes, and from all your wickedness and abominations, and come unto me, and be baptized in my name, that ye may receive a remission of your sins, and be filled with the Holy Ghost, that ye may be numbered with my people who are of the house of Israel.


Those gentiles there are not baptized; and perhaps most of the gentile statements in the preceeding chapters (which are powerful) can be colored in that light. This does not mean we treat them lightly.

To be baptized in his name is a meaning which virtually no one understands.

The mainstream and typical understanding of that phrase is to be baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

But the verse does not say that.

We interpret it to mean that based on our tradition, or unbelief.

When you do something in Christ's name, you are doing something in His mind, glory, will, likeness, and fulness.

I spent days and even weeks studying the meaning of that phrase, and if you look every phrase up in all of the standard works, I believe you will arrive at the conclusion I just stated above.

This is one of the most concise and exhaustive commandments we have in one verse. Christ is literally saying come into his physical presence. At which time you are in My fulness of glory and united with My mind, and I will forgive you of your sins and adopt you and therefore shall be numbered in My family, meaning you will become my adopted son or daughter.

That is the meaning.

So yes, Gentiles is referring to most definitely LDS Mormons and not to people not baptized into the mainstream LDS church in Salt Lake City.

You're reaching. I'm unconvinced.

Look, I'm prideful enough to take my understanding over yours, and tease you about it; but I'm not too prideful to listen to thoroughly reasoned exegesis. You don't have it at this time.