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One danger of porn: Discovering your teacher used to star in such films

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One wonders just how many young women today are involved with porn. Since the USA produces the vast majority of world porn then one could speculate that it might be in the hundreds of thousands -- and that would not even include strip club dancers.

The sad part is that these films will always be out there on the net but most of the women who star in these movies move on to other pursuits (education, family, careers). I think this will become far more common an occurrence in the future. However, if the school fires her I think she should sue them. Why? Well, the state says porn is legal, porn stars pay taxes, and the school is an arm of the state. So to punish a woman because the parents are not making sure their middle-school sons and daughters are not surfing porn is unfair.

Fiannan wrote:One danger of porn: Discovering your teacher used to star in such films

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One wonders just how many young women today are involved with porn. Since the USA produces the vast majority of world porn then one could speculate that it might be in the hundreds of thousands -- and that would not even include strip club dancers.

The sad part is that these films will always be out there on the net but most of the women who star in these movies move on to other pursuits (education, family, careers). I think this will become far more common an occurrence in the future. However, if the school fires her I think she should sue them. Why? Well, the state says porn is legal, porn stars pay taxes, and the school is an arm of the state. So to punish a woman because the parents are not making sure their middle-school sons and daughters are not surfing porn is unfair.

what if you are a church that takes money from people but then denies them participation in say weddings, or temple attendance?
this extends to gays as well.
can we accept tithing (specifically) from a pron actor, and then not let them enter a temple
one can't enter a temple unless they are a full tithe payer- so we are officially saying tithing is the entry point, and then their morality is subjective
if we accept their tithing- KNOWING its source is from earnings on pornography, on what grounds can we not let them enter the temple?
i wonder if there will be an edict in the future that says we can accept donations and offerings, but not tithes, unless we know the source of their income and they sign a declaration as well.?

I think the law of chasity violations would over rule any ideas about taking tithing from a porn actor. I doubt that actor would have any membership, let alone in good standing - forget the temple recommend.

Aside from that, you've made your pov clear on marriott. Congrats.

HeirofNumenor wrote:I think the law of chasity violations would over rule any ideas about taking tithing from a porn actor. I doubt that actor would have any membership, let alone in good standing - forget the temple recommend.

Aside from that, you've made your pov clear on marriott. Congrats.

I think you are right. In my previous stake there was a young married couple with kids in the adjoining ward. I guess they were having a really hard time paying the bills so the mother took a job as a stripper. From what I understand she was called into the bishop once he found out. I am not sure this is uncommon for Mormon women. In college I knew a young woman who came from a very strict family but whose parents divorced. As often happens in divorce the children went into a spiritual crisis. Well one evening I was jogging late night and noticed a young woman waiting at the bus stop in front of the strip club. She did not notice me. However, I mentioned this to a mutual friend in our ward and he decided to call the strip club and ask to talk with the girl, to confirm she worked there. Sure enough they said she worked there but he would have to call the next evening when she was scheduled to work.

So for those who go to strip clubs just consider the girl flying around the pole may have been a young women's leader the year before, or when watching porn the woman in the "hot threesome" with a man and a woman might have a bishop or stake president as a father. Kinda changes the context of being one's "brother's keeper" in regards to profiting off porn, doesn't it?

Rass922 wrote:Pornography doesn't simply make a man "crazy." It deranges his character, destroys his mind, depletes all his virtue, blights him, makes him stupid and spiritually blind, strip-mines his body, makes manhood a far cry, makes him three orders lesser than an average female, puts him on permanent PMS, destroys his confidence, kills his magic, submerges his male brilliance, snuffs out all his religion, alienates and separates him from God, make him food for the demons, turns his exterior world to a hell-realm, makes him genuinely powerless, murders his race, and kills his soul.

There is no justification for porn. No excuses. One can only try to hide their own guilt and shame form its use. God knows who is PURE in heart and who isn't. He also knows there are a multitude of temptations out there. It all depends how one reacts to them. I have no idea if there were women exposing parts of their body in the days of Christ. But we are told that "he gave no heed to them"(temptations). Old scratch is very good at telling people that by doing just a minute amount of doing something bad is okay. This is nothing but deceit.

Many people repent of their sins...EXCEPT FOR THEIR FAVORITE ONES. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I mean, who really wants to give up wanting to be stimulated hour upon hour, day after day? This is what happens when we refuse to put these desires at bay. It is not an event, rather, a process.

One needs to say to themselves when being confronted with sin, and in all honesty, "I really want to do this or that, it would be nice, however, I want the Celestial kingdom even more. This gives one's mind a choice and can break down the temptation until its grasp is removed. We do not have to let every view of cleavage, or every nude scene, or every lingerie commercial, etc. change our direction...if we choose "not to heed" them. We, alone, possess the power to do so, if we want that power...power that comes through the Holy Ghost.

America used to export most of the world's Bible -- now I think they are printed in other countries where it is cheaper to produce them. America currently produces the most porn and weapons in the world today.

Fiannan wrote:America used to export most of the world's Bible -- now I think they are printed in other countries where it is cheaper to produce them. America currently produces the most porn and weapons in the world today.

Is it possible that porn is being used by the gads to further weaken and breakup families? And by doing so they eventually will have more power to enslave us?

I believe this is discussed in a book called "Secret Combinations Today, A voice of warning" by Robert E Hales. I am awaiting my copy to arrive.

Good points. It is interesting to contemplate what the US now exports most.

Fiannan wrote:America used to export most of the world's Bible -- now I think they are printed in other countries where it is cheaper to produce them. America currently produces the most porn and weapons in the world today.

The other item that the US manufactures and exports is -- Federal Reserve Notes. By the trillions.

Could it be said that the major exports of the US now are FRN's, porn and violence? (How sad.)

DrJones wrote:Good points. It is interesting to contemplate what the US now exports most.

Fiannan wrote:America used to export most of the world's Bible -- now I think they are printed in other countries where it is cheaper to produce them. America currently produces the most porn and weapons in the world today.

The other item that the US manufactures and exports is -- Federal Reserve Notes. By the trillions.

Could it be said that the major exports of the US now are FRN's, porn and violence? (How sad.)

I am thankful, yet disturbed by the amount of awareness that has come to me over the past months. Almost every day I learn more of the tactics used by the gads in their attempt to destroy my country. If we LDS's would just wake up and bring to light these tactics, it would weaken our enemies by a large degree. They do not like exposure.

In viewing Tora, Tora, Tora, we heard a Japanese leader say, upon attacking Pearl Harbor, something to the effect "we have awakened a sleeping giant." Likewise, if LDS would wake up, just think of the spiritual strength there would be in turning things back around. In essence, the Priesthood is now a "sleeping giant." Even Prophets have declared this fact.

DrJones wrote:Good points. It is interesting to contemplate what the US now exports most.

Fiannan wrote:America used to export most of the world's Bible -- now I think they are printed in other countries where it is cheaper to produce them. America currently produces the most porn and weapons in the world today.

The other item that the US manufactures and exports is -- Federal Reserve Notes. By the trillions.
Could it be said that the major exports of the US now are FRN's, porn and violence? (How sad.)

Actually, we just export zeros in computers, the notes aren't even printed that much, we don't have enough paper..he he CIA+exported terrorism, worlds #1 commodity of control

For what it's worth (and sure to be derided) here is an except from an interview with JW (Bill) Marriott with the Deseret News

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7655 ... giant.html page 3 of the interview
J. W. Marriott reflects on 40 years leading hotel giant

Q: You are a very active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. How do you balance your religious beliefs with some of the desires of your guests?

A: I've always been concerned about (pornographic) movies in rooms. In the next three or four years, we won't have any more of those. That's something we've had a real problem with because the Church is very, very opposed to pornography, as it should be, and we are for families. But the owners of our hotels were making a lot of money. In fact, the only movies that make any money are pornography.

Q: What led to that decision?

A: It was the right thing to do. The other side of it is if they want that stuff, they can get on the computer. So, the demand for them has gone way down. It was a good time to exit.

HeirofNumenor wrote:For what it's worth (and sure to be derided)

Yeah I'll deride it without comment...

: It was the right thing to do. The other side of it is if they want that stuff, they can get on the computer. So, the demand for them has gone way down. It was a good time to exit.

So we should be thankful for the spread of sites offering free internet porn?

I guess I just wish more of our members wouldn't USE porn. If there isn't a demand for it then it wouldn't be made.

HeirofNumenor wrote:For what it's worth (and sure to be derided) here is an except from an interview with JW (Bill) Marriott with the Deseret News

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7655 ... giant.html page 3 of the interview
J. W. Marriott reflects on 40 years leading hotel giant

Q: You are a very active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. How do you balance your religious beliefs with some of the desires of your guests?

A: I've always been concerned about (pornographic) movies in rooms. In the next three or four years, we won't have any more of those. That's something we've had a real problem with because the Church is very, very opposed to pornography, as it should be, and we are for families. But the owners of our hotels were making a lot of money. In fact, the only movies that make any money are pornography.

Q: What led to that decision?

A: It was the right thing to do. The other side of it is if they want that stuff, they can get on the computer. So, the demand for them has gone way down. It was a good time to exit.

So... in other words: "now that the demand and profitability are down, we're shutting down that service for moral reasons".

I'm sure we can all empathize with those "moral" reasons.

tell me I did not just read what I thought I read him say

surely noy?

surely

Sadly Aussie, you DID read that he justified porn with how much money it makes.

Nan wrote:I guess I just wish more of our members wouldn't USE porn. If there isn't a demand for it then it wouldn't be made.

Unfortunately. porno attracts the carnal inclinations of men and women. It takes a lot of prayer and commitment to refrain from it. We cannot be fooled by the idea that even our GA's couldn't fall because of it. It is their commitment, their strong desire and longing for eternal life that keeps them from allowing temptation to overtake them. We are told that the more righteous we become the more we abhor sin.

We know that fornication, adultery and lasciviousness have been around since the fall of Adam and Eve. Pornographic pictures have been around for centuries. These days they are more lifelike, let alone the nudity on TV and in movies. We must be prepared for XXX stuff coming out of Hollywood at some point, right into our living rooms for impressional kids and adults to watch. Not much is left out now.

HeirofNumenor wrote:Sadly Aussie, you DID read that he justified porn with how much money it makes.

ive got a lot of open minded opinions on joseph smith, polygamy, mountain meadows, brigham young, coffee, alcohol, book contracts for an unpaid ministry, GBH war and peace pro iraq.....

this one is way beyond them

very disappointing

very

Nan wrote:I guess I just wish more of our members wouldn't USE porn. If there isn't a demand for it then it wouldn't be made.

You know, I am not sure what the stats are for members using porn as opposed to non-members. My guess would be that LDS women use porn way less than non-member women, but that would only be a guess as I have known several women (active) who have over the years admitted to me, or accidentally left it our when inviting guests, the habit. However, as many LDS women may have an attitude that sex is a necessary evil (hoisted onto western civilization from Catholic "scholars" who borrowed heavily from pagan culture and were embarrassed by the overt sexuality of the Old Testament) or that sex should only occur in conjunction with hyper romantic situations (western romanticism combined with Hollywood) then perhaps many LDS men turn secretly to porn to satisfy sexual feelings.

I have heard people say that porn causes sex crimes but a while back I saw a study on inmates that showed that those incarcerated for rape or molestation had a lower rate of porn usage while outside of prison than inmates in jail for things like drugs or theft. The one thing that did show up was that sex criminals generally came from homes where sex was highly repressed or viewed as disgusting.

My personal opinion is that for no other reason porn probably destroys many men and women who star in it. Sure, there are some who can do it just as a job, others for the kicks and others to be able to be paid for living their fantasies, but it must drain on the soul. A LDS woman I knew who had been a stripper before joining the church said the strippers who irritated her the most were college girls from middle or upper middle class homes doing it for the kicks or to buy new cars and had no sense of conscience about their stripping. She was from a working class background and said many women did it to make sure they did not lose their homes or custody of their kids to the state. She sympathized with them and hated the rich girls. I am sure this is the case in porn as well. So to me it is, by its nature, exploitative and is the ultimate expression of predatory capitalism. I believe if Joseph Smith were alive today he would attack porn for its exploitation.

Fiannan wrote:

Nan wrote:I guess I just wish more of our members wouldn't USE porn. If there isn't a demand for it then it wouldn't be made.

You know, I am not sure what the stats are for members using porn as opposed to non-members. My guess would be that LDS women use porn way less than non-member women, but that would only be a guess as I have known several women (active) who have over the years admitted to me, or accidentally left it our when inviting guests, the habit. However, as many LDS women may have an attitude that sex is a necessary evil (hoisted onto western civilization from Catholic "scholars" who borrowed heavily from pagan culture and were embarrassed by the overt sexuality of the Old Testament) or that sex should only occur in conjunction with hyper romantic situations (western romanticism combined with Hollywood) then perhaps many LDS men turn secretly to porn to satisfy sexual feelings.

I have heard people say that porn causes sex crimes but a while back I saw a study on inmates that showed that those incarcerated for rape or molestation had a lower rate of porn usage while outside of prison than inmates in jail for things like drugs or theft. The one thing that did show up was that sex criminals generally came from homes where sex was highly repressed or viewed as disgusting.

My personal opinion is that for no other reason porn probably destroys many men and women who star in it. Sure, there are some who can do it just as a job, others for the kicks and others to be able to be paid for living their fantasies, but it must drain on the soul. A LDS woman I knew who had been a stripper before joining the church said the strippers who irritated her the most were college girls from middle or upper middle class homes doing it for the kicks or to buy new cars and had no sense of conscience about their stripping. She was from a working class background and said many women did it to make sure they did not lose their homes or custody of their kids to the state. She sympathized with them and hated the rich girls. I am sure this is the case in porn as well. So to me it is, by its nature, exploitative and is the ultimate expression of predatory capitalism. I believe if Joseph Smith were alive today he would attack porn for its exploitation.

One problem I have with what you say is that most men did porn long before they met their wife.

One problem I have with what you say is that most men did porn long before they met their wife.

Of course. Before they had a long-term sexual partner. You know, one thing that men and women used to believe, and still do in churches that are trying to teach that pre-marital sex is wrong, is that if you hold out until marriage then afterwards it's PARTY TIME! Now if two people with equal desires for sex get married (either equally high, moderate or low) they will probably find sexual satisfaction for the most part. However, if there is either a long-term or situation imbalance then that is when the higher-sexed man or woman may begin to look elsewhere. Some will, due to personality or otehr desirable attributes, attract attention from the opposite sex and that is when affairs spring up. Other people without as much going for them, or a very stubborn commitment to honor their marriage vows, often turn to porn rather than seeking a different person. They rationalize that porn is a substitute for lack of physical/emotional intimacy and does not carry with it the dangers of STDs, "fatal attraction" scenarios or unwanted pregnancy.

My personal opinion on this? Porn ain't ever going away and anyone who thinks it is because of guilt from church condemnations is ignoring history. And the technology is around the corner that interactive sex via the computer will become quite accessible to the average Joe and Jane and soon following that will be synthetic robots that will look like people, never age, and can be programed to mimic human emotions. Try to put that genie back in the bottle.

My suggestion? Promote the idea of monogamous, but highly uninhibited sexuality within marriages with the added suggestion of high frequency (for maximum health benefits of sex a couple should engage in sex at least three times per week). Watch what happens then to porn viewership!