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New Jerusalem and New Heaven and Earth Chiasmus
Ether (LDS 13:1-14) (RLDS 6:1-15)
A 1 Record concerning destruction
-B 2 Rejected the words of Ether
–C1 3 Out of heaven
–C2 4 Christ and New Jerusalem
–C3 5 House of Israel and that Old Jerusalem will be destroyed and built up again
–C4 6 New Jerusalem will be built on the land of the Lehites
—D 7 Seed of Joseph out of land of Old Jerusalem
—D 8 Seed of Joseph build a Holy City
–C1 9 New heaven and a new earth
–C2 10 Blood of the Lamb and New Jerusalem
–C3 11 Inhabitants of Old Jerusalem will be scattered and gathered
–C4 12 First will be last and the last shall be first
-B 13 Forbidden to write prophecies of Ether
A 14 Record viewing destructions
https://seekingyhwh.com/2020/01/23/new- ... -chiasmus/

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Well... this topic got my SyFy juices flowing....

(Where is the scripture about the heavens being rolled back as a scroll, thus revealing Heavenly Father peering down at us?).

So maybe the sun is a lamp, (running on celestial AC current), used to keep the terrarium temperature within tolerances for our experimental human/earthly existence?

And in Revelations, might not the other weirdly described creatures surrounding HF's throne, be other life forms the Creator tried as physical bodies for his spirit children?

(I know, I know... waay too much Ray Bradbury and Issac Asimov read during my youth....)

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JK4Woods wrote: January 23rd, 2020, 4:55 pm Well... this topic got my SyFy juices flowing....

(Where is the scripture about the heavens being rolled back as a scroll, thus revealing Heavenly Father peering down at us?).

So maybe the sun is a lamp, (running on celestial AC current), used to keep the terrarium temperature within tolerances for our experimental human/earthly existence?

And in Revelations, might not the other weirdly described creatures surrounding HF's throne, be other life forms the Creator tried as physical bodies for his spirit children?

(I know, I know... waay too much Ray Bradbury and Issac Asimov read during my youth....)
From my understanding the stars falling will happen because the earth will rotate when the planets come back.

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Some new and fascinating information from Ben Davidson posted 5 days ago on his daily space weather news. As the evidence keeps coming in, it is clear mainstream science calculations of the age of the earth are drastically wrong. I will post the links to the papers below.
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN M8+ EARTHQUAKE OCCURRENCES AND THE SOLAR POLAR MAGNETIC FIELDS
http://suspicious0bservers.org/wp-conte ... aper-1.pdf

Electroquakes: The near surface vertical atmospheric electric field abnormality could be as a promising imminent precursor of major earthquakes
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2002/2002.08607.pdf

Sombrero Galaxy: Beyond the Brim, Sombrero Galaxy’s Halo Suggests Turbulent Past
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/20 ... ulent-past


The Earth formed much faster than previously thought
https://news.ku.dk/all_news/2020/02/the ... y-thought/
By measuring iron isotopes, researchers from the University of Copenhagen have shown that our planet originally formed much faster than previously thought. This finding provides new insights on both planetary formation and the likelihood of water and life elsewhere in the universe...

If you compare the solar system's estimated 4.6 billion years of existence with a 24-hour period, the new results indicate that the proto-Earth formed in what corresponds to about a minute and a half.

Thus, the results from StarPlan break with the traditional theory that the proto-Earth formed by random collisions between larger and larger planetary bodies throughout several tens of millions of years – equivalent to about 5-15 minutes out of the above-mentioned fictional 24 hours of formation.
I still believe 5 million is absurd, but it is a lot closer to the truth.

Iron isotope evidence for very rapid accretion and differentiation of the proto-Earth
https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/7/eaay7604
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Nucleosynthetic isotope variability among solar system objects provides insights into the accretion history of terrestrial planets. We report on the nucleosynthetic Fe isotope composition (μ54Fe) of various meteorites and show that the only material matching the terrestrial composition is CI (Ivuna-type) carbonaceous chondrites, which represent the bulk solar system composition. All other meteorites, including carbonaceous, ordinary, and enstatite chondrites, record excesses in μ54Fe. This observation is inconsistent with protracted growth of Earth by stochastic collisional accretion, which predicts a μ54Fe value reflecting a mixture of the various meteorite parent bodies. Instead, our results suggest a rapid accretion and differentiation of Earth during the ~5–million year disk lifetime, when the volatile-rich CI-like material is accreted to the proto-Sun via the inner disk.
Ben Davidson also mentions the Tibetan glacier, which conventional science use to claim to be 500,000 years old. Turns out they were only 445,000 years off. lol The thing is conventional science take on the age of the Earth, planet formations, evolution (gradualist assumptions), etc., need all the time they can get to maintain current paradigms and billions of $ in funding.

Researchers Date Chinese Ice Core To 500,000 Years
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1 ... 224509.htm
A team of scientists has reconstructed a detailed climate record for the last 130,000 years from a thousand-foot-long ice core they drilled into a glacier on the Tibetan Plateau in 1992. Analyses suggest that the record in the core actually may go back more than 500,000 years.
15 million years to now 5 million, 500 thousand years to now 5 thousand...

Ancient viruses found in Tibetan glacier
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01 ... an-glacier
In 2015, when researchers embarked on an expedition to retrieve the oldest ice on the planet, they were doing it to look for clues about past climate. But during the journey—to the Guliya ice cap in China’s Tibet (above)—they also found 15,000-year-old viruses—some of them new to science,
It would sure be nice to have a method of absolute dating that was reasonably reliable and accurate but that is simply not the case. Radiocarbon dating and other radiometric dating techniques give an illusion of mathematical precision which is not justified. The assumption of constant rates of decay under any condition (for radiometric dating) and the assumption of reasonably constant carbon levels (for C 14 dating) in the past would not apply under dynamic and catastrophic conditions involving massive electrical discharges, floods, volcanic eruptions, etc. The fact that C14 dating needs to be "calibrated" is a tip-off that all is not well.

Charles Ginenthal deals with this topic in The Extinction of the Mammoth(1997) pages 153-202.
http://immanuelvelikovsky.com/Mammoth_01052014.pdf

In the dating of ancient Egyptian objects, C14 dates which do not conform with the accepted chronology are discarded as contaminated and not published, those that do, are published. This is hardly good science. Since there is no means of determining what is contaminated and what is not, other than its' support of the accepted chronological scheme, it amounts to nothing more than circular reasoning. Ginenthal (p163) quotes a Harvard professor:
If a C14 date supports our theories, we put it in the main text. If it does not entirely contradict them, we put it in the footnote. And if it is completely 'out of date', we just drop it.
As an example of this, Ginenthal cites the results of a test performed by the British Museum on palm kernels and mat reed from the tomb of Tutankhamon, who supposedly lived in the 14th C BCE. The results were 899 BCE and 846 BCE, a discrepancy of almost 500 years. Those dates were never published.

In "The Pitfalls of Radiocarbon Dating," Pensee Volume IV, Velikovsky wrote:
But as the method was refined, it started to show rather regular anomalies. First, it was noticed that, when radiocarbon dated, wood grown in the 20th century appears more ancient than wood grown in the 19th century. Suess explained the phenomenon by the fact that the increased industrial use of fossil carbon in coal and in oil changed the ratio between the dead carbon C12 and the C14 (radiocarbon) in the atmosphere and therefore also in the biosphere. In centuries to come a body of a man or animal who lived and died in the 20th century would appear paradoxically of greater age since death than the body of a man or animal of the 19th century, and if the process of industrial use of fossil, therefore dead, carbon continues to increase, as it is expected will be the case, the paradox will continue into the forthcoming centuries

http://www.varchive.org/ce/c14.htm
Ginenthal cites several cases where the remains (hunted by humans) of extinct elephants such as mastodons and mammoths [who are thought to have become extinct, and supported by radiocarbon dating, a minimum of 12,000 years before the present] are found associated with pottery that cannot be dated beyond 3000 BCE and is probably much later. Also cited, are scenes painted in an Egyptian tomb, from the dynastic (historical) era, of a mammoth. see: Baruch Rosen, "Mammoths in ancient Egypt?" Nature, vol. 369, (June 2, 1994) p. 364

Britain's Science and Engineering Research Council conducted a test where objects of known age were sent to 38 labs for C14 dating. Only 7 labs gave reasonably accurate dates while the other 31 were way off, some by thousands of years.
Ginenthal wrote:
...a tree growing next to an airport added so much additional old carbon to its wood tissues from airplane exhaust fumes which it had processed via photosynthesis, that when tested, its wood gave a radiocarbon date of 10,000 years. (footnote 71) Any animal that ate the foilage of that ree or the grasses growing in the vicinity, subject to the same conditions, would absorb that old carbon in far greater proportions...its radioactive age would appear much older than it actually was. -footnote 71- Bruno Huber, "Recording Gaseous Exchanges Under Field Conditions", The Physiology of Forest Trees, K. V. Thinmann ed., (New York, 1958) p. 194
The fact of the matter is that C14 dating has failed too many tests to be considered reliable. Why should we accept a date that is derived solely from radiocarbon analysis when that method has been shown to be unreliable when put to the test as it is with modern dating techniques?

This article on About.com gives an overview of the various dating methods used in archaeology and some of the problems associated with them.
https://www.thoughtco.com/archaeologica ... ion-167119

Lightning emits EM rays in various frequencies, thereby X-rays and gamma rays. A meteor impact will, according to EU theory, trigger enormous electrical discharges of the same kind. These rays will affect radioactive substances.

Gamma rays discovered in lightning storms (never mind their speculation, but note what they observed):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34114891

Thunderbolts Picture Of the Day that discusses dating issues:
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2009/arch ... ongago.htm
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2009/arch ... ngago2.htm

Observation of the acceleration by an electromagnetic field of nuclear beta decay
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=20279471

The strange case of solar flares and radioactive elements
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/aug ... 82310.html

Electromagnetically induced nuclear beta decay in electric-field gauge
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1984P ... R/abstract

Perturbation of Nuclear Decay Rates During the Solar Flare of 13 December 2006
https://arxiv.org/abs/0808.3156

Radioactivity and Transmutation: An Electrical Connection
http://www.jamesphogan.com/bb/bulletin.php?id=1159

Radioactive Decay Rates May Not Be Constant After All
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/ ... cabf7b147f

Antarctic Fossil Questions
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... fossil.htm

Some basic facts of C-14:
1. It is created high above the troposphere in conditions highly dependent upon solar flux.
2. It is found in a ratio of about 1 part to 1 million of C-12 in living organisms.
3. After 5 half-lives, or about 30,000 alleged years, there is too little C-14 in any sample to reliably count.
4. There is no way whatsoever to correlate radiocarbon to "known" times before about 5000 BP; only by assumption of perpetuous equilibrium conditions can C-14 be called upon for dates before that time.
5. If, as I mentioned earlier, there was a time before the recent earth-changing catastrophe when the transport of C-14 from the upper atmosphere to the biosphere was blocked by [greenhouse] atmospheric conditions, as is suggested by all fossil data, then any materials from around, during or before that atmospheric structure-changing catastrophe would contain only minute amounts if any of C-14, causing all such materials to be dated with an incorrectly "old" age.

Here is a summary of the Electric Universe position: Wal Thornhill wrote:
Myth No. 4. Radioactive dating can give reliable estimates of the ages of rocks. The solar system is 3.7 billion years old.

Radioactive dating relies on a planet being essentially a closed system since shortly after its formation. However, powerful plasma discharges are a copious source of neutrons, which can introduce radioactive species to planetary surfaces. Matter is also irradiated and transferred between planets by cosmic discharges. Radioactive ‘clocks’ cannot be relied upon under such circumstances. This also explains isotope anomalies in some meteorites, for example, in the Allende meteorite (and others of its type) where short-lived radioactive decay products like Mg26 are found to excess. It suggests conventionally that there was more than the expected amount of Al26 in the early nebula when the meteor was formed. This, in turn, has led to speculation that there was a nearby supernova at or near the same time. No such implausible explanation is required in an Electric Universe. The meteor is a remnant of debris removed from a planetary surface by a plasma arc, which has the power to generate radioactive species in situ in the meteorite.
http://www.holoscience.com/wp/astronomi ... e=e511t4z2

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The Herouni Antenna - The Death of the Big Bang!

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This is a must-watch for those who have concerns or questions over big-bang cosmology. There are many discoveries, websites, and articles that have refuted Big Bang experimentally, theoretically, and scripturally in many ways. These refutations are always ignored by the standard modellers.

The Herouni Antenna - The Death of the Big Bang! This is by the brilliant Pierre-Marie Robitaille, Ph.D., a friend of the EU and Thunderbolts project. He is a professor of radiology at The Ohio State University. He also holds an appointment in the Chemical Physics Program. If you like this video, please check out his youtube page. Many gems!!!!
The Universe is eternal, with no beginning or end. What is the first law of thermodynamics? "Energy cannot be created or destroyed." "Intelligence, or the light of truth, created or made, neither indeed can be." (-Joseph Smith D&C 93:29) The universe is infinite! Yet, the so-called "laws" of gravity, general relativity, and big bang cosmology "allow" everything to appear spontaneously from nothing, or, in other words, In the beginning, there was nothing, then nothing exploded with a big bang, which is precisely the reason why there is something rather than nothing (EFFECTS WITHOUT CAUSE; Big Bang, General Relativity, bending time and space, expanding universe, black holes, dark matter and energy... ALL theoretical mathematical assumption, something acts upon nothing.) But how can there be a law of gravity and quantum theory if nothing exists? How can nothing do something? It's impossible! Yet the masses blindly follow the prophets of so-called science. God is not needed (or wanted) in theoretical science.

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This is another MUST-SEE video!! The latest findings from the SAFIRE Project and the ramifications are limitless. Mindblowing! Not only is SAFIRE confirming and validating the electric sun, but it is currently developing a nuclear-plasma reactor that will have the capacity to both generate electrical power and remediate radioactive waste.
Special Feature: ORIGIN OF THE SAFIRE SUN

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Electric Jupiter

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So, okay, by way of an olive branch:
I'll gently post these primary sources from Space News WRT the alleged off-hand "Hollow Jupiter/Earth" statement(s), for discussion. Be gentle.

And this from TPODs: Electric Caverns
https://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007 ... Yrys0toIRo

But also this from Holoscience (which seems to repudiate the notion of "Hollow" anything, at least for the Sun / Stars, but one assumes planets, too?):

Our Misunderstood Sun
https://www.holoscience.com/wp/our-misu ... lMpCc63dBc

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Food for thought, in response to the confusion and wild speculations.
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The Keys to Prophecy 9: Apollyon, the Destroyer (Anthony Larson)

Like the histories of all ancient cultures, that of the Hebrews — the Old Testament — tells the very same story of sky-spanning marvels and manifestations that profoundly and directly impacted their culture and beliefs. Comparing the names of the pagan gods they worshipped supports this conclusion, as we have seen.

Having made that connection, we can now turn to the scriptural record to see how well that knowledge helps our comprehension of symbolism that otherwise seems unfathomable.

For example, Baal, a figure we see often in the Old Testament, was the god of the Canaanites, sometimes neighbors and enemies of the Israelites. From time to time in their history, most Israelites worshipped him as well, to the dismay of the prophets.

Apollo was the Greek equivalent of Baal. In fact, the name is the same, altered only by linguistic preferences. The Greeks added an antecedent 'a' (a-baal), softened the hard 'b' sound to a 'p' and then added an 'o' ending (a-paal-o).

The conclusion: The Greeks worshipped the same sky god as the Canaanites and the apostate Israelites.

Although the Greek’s god Ares is more typically associated by scholars with the Roman war god, Mars, others insist that Apollo (Apollon/Apollyon) was also a Greek equivalent. For that reason, Apollo was virtually adopted intact from the Greek into the Roman pantheon. So, as we make cross-cultural connections of these gods, we learn that the Old Testament god Baal is the same as the Greek Apollo and the Roman god of war, Mars.

The planets in our solar system, such as Mars, were not arbitrarily assigned the names of mythical gods, as most suppose. The nine known planets bear the names of Roman gods and goddesses because some of them were the 'gods' that once stood near to or passed perilously close to the Earth, illuminating and dominating the ancient heavens as well as occasionally raining destruction on the world's civilizations.

In fact, Revelation’s Apollyon is usually translated "destroyer," a fitting description of Apollo’s Roman counterpart, the warrior god Mars.

These connections become particularly useful when we consider the following enigmatic passage from John’s vision. "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon." (Revelation 9:11.)

Earlier in that same chapter, it is a "star" that opens the bottomless pit. Of course, we’ve learned in earlier installments in this series that the ancients commonly called planets that once hovered near the Earth "stars."

Can you see where this is leading? John implied that, this "king," "angel" or "star" — Apollyon — was the planet Mars. This is the key.

Thus, we learn many things from John’s carefully worded explanation in these few verses.

Foremost, we learn that this "king," which is also the "angel of the bottomless pit" and the "star" that fell to the earth, is a planet. Thus, we must conclude that other references to kings, angels, beasts, stars and creatures in John’s account may be references to planets as well.

This tendency to use common images to describe celestial objects is still practiced today where star constellations are given names like Great Bear, Lion and Archer, and where the greatest star cluster is called the Milky Way. It’s a cultural tradition from antiquity, employed by John, which we preserve in the present.

It also fits perfectly with Joseph Smith's teaching that the beasts seen by prophets in heavenly visions are not beasts at all but "images" meant to represent something else. (For clarification of this, see "Joseph Smith's Marvelous Key.")

We can also now see that John drew upon traditions common to all cultures around the Mediterranean to describe the future. This practice of drawing on the past to describe the future is a common literary device used by the prophets — Nephi and Isaiah, for example — one that John employed throughout his record.

Also implied is the idea that the imagery of the entire vision draws heavily upon the cultural traditions of John's time, employing the sacred, "mythical" stories of those pagan cultures of the "seven churches which are in Asia" that John addressed in Revelation to explain the place of Christ in those traditions as well as events of the last days.

Thus, the images or icons embodied in those ancient cultural traditions are the keys to interpreting all the imagery of John’s enigmatic vision, Revelation. And so it is, too, with all the visions of the prophets recorded in scripture. Armed with these keys, which are an understanding of the meaning of that imagery, the most mysterious symbolism of the scriptures becomes easy reading.

In order to properly understand all these mysterious, symbolic references, we must know both what these traditions were and their origins. We cannot simply guess at their meaning, as do most modern expositors of prophecy. Such gratuitous speculation is commonplace, though dangerously misleading.

In order to grasp the meaning of prophecy, we must know as much about the past as we do the present.


http://mormonprophecy.blogspot.com/2008 ... royer.html

The Keys to Prophecy 2: Joseph Smith's Marvelous Key
http://mormonprophecy.blogspot.com/2008 ... miths.html

Images of prophecy are the images of world mythology.

"Mythology is Cosmology" -Hugh Nibley

"The Pearl of great price restores cosmism with vengeance." -Hugh Nibley

"The study of ancient religion starts with mythology enthroned as its true source" - Hugh Nibley, One Eternal Round pg. 96-97

"Mythology is the history of the solar system." (-David Talbott)

“I also gave some instructions in the mysteries of the kingdom of God; such as the history of the planets, Abraham’s writings upon the planetary systems, etc,” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 118,

Discourses on an Alien Sky—Preface | The Meaning of Ancient Myths

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JohnnyL wrote: September 25th, 2018, 8:59 am
SempiternalHarbinger wrote: September 25th, 2018, 5:01 am
JohnnyL wrote: September 24th, 2018, 7:15 pm Ok, this has never been answered for me.

If the heavens WERE that way (Jupiter sun, all the planetary alignments making the images we see in ancient times, etc.), when did they change?
The polar configuration (Saturn, Venus, and Mars) ended with the planetary catastrophe known as the Deluge or Noah's Flood, which involved much more than a great flood. I am of the belief that the Deluge event and the Last Days event are mirror images of one another -- that the Deluge event saw the demise of the Polar Configuration of Planets, giving us the skies and the world that Peter (2 Peter 3)saw and that we still see today; that the Last Days event would reverse that situation, returning the heavens and the earth to their former arrangement, much like that of the Patriarchal Age, before the Deluge event.

Ether 13:9 And there shall be a new heaven and a new earth; and they shall be like unto the old save the old have passed away, and all things have become new.
Thank you!

So I'm guessing this might have been hidden knowledge, passed along with tilted earth and more.
Any age estimates for the Deluge in your understanding?

Compton, in his book Exodus Lost has an age for what may be Noah's flood based on about 3 ancient calendrical systems, which also correlate with the earth being hit by a bolide of about 15 miles diam in the Indian Ocean in waters depths of 12,500 feet. The crater is estimated at 3 miles diam. and the bolide is thought to have kicked up "several trillion tons of water".

The idea is that what goes up, must come down (mostly), so the resulting water return could have produced catastrophic flooding in many parts of the world.

The calendar systems mark the start of a new age following destruction by water.

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larsenb wrote: May 8th, 2020, 1:44 pm
JohnnyL wrote: September 25th, 2018, 8:59 am
SempiternalHarbinger wrote: September 25th, 2018, 5:01 am
JohnnyL wrote: September 24th, 2018, 7:15 pm Ok, this has never been answered for me.

If the heavens WERE that way (Jupiter sun, all the planetary alignments making the images we see in ancient times, etc.), when did they change?
The polar configuration (Saturn, Venus, and Mars) ended with the planetary catastrophe known as the Deluge or Noah's Flood, which involved much more than a great flood. I am of the belief that the Deluge event and the Last Days event are mirror images of one another -- that the Deluge event saw the demise of the Polar Configuration of Planets, giving us the skies and the world that Peter (2 Peter 3)saw and that we still see today; that the Last Days event would reverse that situation, returning the heavens and the earth to their former arrangement, much like that of the Patriarchal Age, before the Deluge event.

Ether 13:9 And there shall be a new heaven and a new earth; and they shall be like unto the old save the old have passed away, and all things have become new.
Thank you!

So I'm guessing this might have been hidden knowledge, passed along with tilted earth and more.
Any age estimates for the Deluge in your understanding?

Compton, in his book Exodus Lost has an age for what may be Noah's flood based on about 3 ancient calendrical systems, which also correlate with the earth being hit by a bolide of about 15 miles diam in the Indian Ocean in waters depths of 12,500 feet. The crater is estimated at 3 miles diam. and the bolide is thought to have kicked up "several trillion tons of water".

The idea is that what goes up, must come down (mostly), so the resulting water return could have produced catastrophic flooding in many parts of the world.

The calendar systems mark the start of a new age following destruction by water.
Have you guys read Velilovskys books? They would probably interest you.

Anthony Larsen has some good shorter books that are summaries of velikovskys theory written from an lds perspective.

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NewEliza wrote: May 8th, 2020, 4:00 pm Have you guys read Velilovskys books? They would probably interest you.

Anthony Larsen has some good shorter books that are summaries of velikovskys theory written from an lds perspective.
I finally got some Velikovsky books, and the main impetus for wanting them were the three books Anthony Larson wrote.

Velikovsky makes a lot of sense. His detractors didn't even read his work; they dismissed it out of hand because it didn't fit what they believed was true. Velikovsky was asking for scientists to find the flaws in his theories but they attacked him instead.

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Silver Pie wrote: May 8th, 2020, 9:25 pm
NewEliza wrote: May 8th, 2020, 4:00 pm Have you guys read Velilovskys books? They would probably interest you.

Anthony Larsen has some good shorter books that are summaries of velikovskys theory written from an lds perspective.
I finally got some Velikovsky books, and the main impetus for wanting them were the three books Anthony Larson wrote.

Velikovsky makes a lot of sense. His detractors didn't even read his work; they dismissed it out of hand because it didn't fit what they believed was true. Velikovsky was asking for scientists to find the flaws in his theories but they attacked him instead.
Agreed, I own all of his books and they make so much sense to me. Seems to fit with what Joseph said about planets

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Jupiter is electric! Check out this short clip from an experiment in the lab from the great Billy Yelverton! Electromagnetic weather on a soap bubble.

Electricity is scalable! Stars at 3:35
In Louisiana a few weeks back... The power of electricity is mindblowing.
In Texas a few weeks back... Electrical power-line meets sidewalk.

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Martian "Blueberries" in the Lab. Plasma physicist uses electric arcs to replicate the mysterious spherules on the Red Planet.
https://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005 ... erries.htm

Blueberries on Mars and in the laboratory Starts at 18:22

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Sorry to be off topic, 😇
but I was watching a video from this thread and the video brought up the Rosetta comet or something like that,
But that name reminded me of that rosetta satellite project thing. You guys see or hear about that one before? I remember seeing this video and it blew my mind how that this is even a possibility to plan out! .... Years and years of going through space. Just incredible. And showing it's path around planets or comets or objects to gain more momentum and on and on. Anyways, I thought it was mindblowing

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Semp! So glad you're still around. This has always been one of the coolest topics on this forum.

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What is the EU explanation for time dilation?

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Yeah, I don't how I came across this topic or how I even got a DVD about the EU, but it was at least 15 years ago or so. thanks for the reminder and additional info.



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marc wrote: March 8th, 2021, 5:26 pm Semp! So glad you're still around. This has always been one of the coolest topics on this forum.
I ditto this. This is my favorite thread here.

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Easter

Most Christians vaguely grasp the connections between Easter and Passover. What most do not understand are the deep roots both holidays have in paganism and Saturnian symbolism. However, such knowledge serves to explain much of the tradition and ritual surrounding this Christian holiday.

A Christian holiday

Easter celebrates the death and resurrection of the Savior in the meridian of time. Mormons, like the rest of Christianity, see the holiday as a time to remember and reverence that most sacred and remarkable event in all of history.

The entire philosophy of Christianity hinges on the resurrection. Without it, Christianity — and by inference, Mormonism as well — is just another religious philosophy among many. With the resurrection comes the promise that all will rise from the grave, Christ being the first fruits. This concept is at the heart of our religion.

The Passover connection

Easter’s connection with the Passover stems from the fact that the Savior’s crucifixion and resurrection in Jerusalem took place during the annual Jewish Passover celebration, a juxtaposition that was not lost on the Savior since he clearly chose the time and the place of his own expiation.

Seen from the catastrophist’s point of view, the Passover was a celebration of Israelite deliverance — not just from Egyptian bondage, but the entire planet from planetary catastrophe. Passover was the moment of closest approach between Earth and the comet Venus, hence the term “pass over.” It was the culmination of a series of plagues that afflicted not only Egypt, but also the entire world, according to Velikovsky.

So, too, in Christian eyes, Easter is a celebration of the deliverance of the human race from the bonds of death.

Both Easter and Passover involve the consumption of a ritual meal in remembrance of their deliverance. The Jewish Seder reflects the Lord’s directive that the Israelites eat roast lamb, unleavened bread and bitter herbs. (Exodus 12:8-10.) They do so to remember how they were saved from the plague that took so many Egyptians during the Exodus. The Christian sacrament reflects Christ’s instruction that they partake of bread and wine to remember him and the deliverance from death he has provided. (Luke 22:19, 20.)

A note, in passing

Incidentally, it may be noteworthy, in passing, that there may have been a very practical purpose for the consumption of the Passover meal. If, as Velikovsky suggests, Earth’s atmosphere was supercharged with elements from the tail of the passing comet Venus, then eating bread without yeast and bitter herbs may have served to offset the debilitating physical effects on the human body of those pollutants. If, as this author suggests, the compounds that turned the water red in Egypt were acidic, causing sickness and death in animals and humans, then the basic, alkaline nature of bitter herbs would serve to chemically offset the elevated levels of acid in the body (acidosis).

Additionally, it is well known that certain types of yeast (Candida albicans, for example) in the gut can release toxins that can severely debilitate the immune system. Other types of yeast produce compounds that can cause humans to hallucinate. In this instance, the instructions to eat bread without yeast (unleavened) may have been designed to help the Israelites better cope physically with the temporarily hostile environment created by the extraterrestrial pollutants — eminently practical advice given through revelation from God to Moses. The idea of food as medicine is one that modern science has recently come to recognize, a philosophy that has been at the heart of herbal use and practices since time immemorial.

Eating is a religious experience?

Such ritual meals as Seder, the Eucharist and the Sacrament are also practiced in most pagan cultures. They range, on one end of the spectrum, from consumption of simple foods to cannibalism on the other extreme.

Most animal sacrifice did not consist of cremation, as most moderns believe. Rather, it was, in most cases, a ritual method of cooking and preparing the animal for eating. Our modern, seemingly innocuous and strictly culinary practice of barbequing actually has its roots in cultural traditions of sacrifice. So remember, next time you throw something on the ‘barbie,’ you are practicing the time-honored, ritualistic tradition of sacrifice with its roots deep in antiquity.

Recidivist Israelites, too, adopted pagan eating rituals. "The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger." (Jeremiah 7:18.)

Note the similarity between the elements of this ritual and the Christian sacrament. They consumed bread and drink in honor of the goddess. It was a ritual meal. These backsliding Israelites prepared cakes and drink to honor their pagan gods, just as we take bread and water today. Such similarities are not coincidental. Christ, on the eve of his crucifixion, obviously turned to a well-established, ancient practice in the Hebrew culture as the basis for his new eating ritual, the Sacrament.

Hot cross buns

Just such a ritual meal is connected with the Christian’s celebration of Easter. Hot cross buns are a lesser, but well established part of this holiday that, doubtlessly, have their origins in pagan antiquity. These loaves were originally marked with horns, the crescent symbol for ancient Saturn, or the cross, the cruciform symbol for the Queen of Heaven, Astarte or Venus. The ancient Greeks also consumed these types of buns in their celebrations of Artemis, Goddess of the hunt (known as Diana to the Romans). And the Egyptians ate a similar cake in their worship of the Goddess Isis. Later, Saxons ate buns that were marked with a cross in honor of Eastre (Astarte). These customs of creating a ceremonial bread or loaf, marking it with the symbol of the goddess, then eating it as part of a festival in honor of that same goddess is an echo of the Israelite practice of making cakes to their Queen of Heaven.

Such universal practices beg the question, where did the human race get the idea that eating something was a sacred practice? The idea that eating should be part of religious ritual may have begun in Earth’s ancient heavens when one planet ‘consumed’ other, smaller satellites. In a later monograph, we will discuss more about sacrificial rituals around the world and the events and beliefs that may have inspired the practice.

A Christian or pagan holiday?

Returning to our Easter theme, it seems rather ironic that this ostensibly Christian holiday is burdened with much of the celebration and ceremony that once attached itself to the ancient cults that worshipped astral goddesses.

We discover, for instance, that the very name of the holiday has its roots in idolatry. Easter is a corruption of the name of the goddess who leant her name to the holiday, Aster or Astarte, as the Greeks knew her. Her Syro-Phoenician counterpart was the goddess Ashtoreth. The Babylonians called her Ishtar and the Romans called her Venus. She was also the great mother goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe, who knew her as Eastre, from whence we get the name Easter today.

The Saturn connection

Surely these ancient goddesses from a variety of ancient cultures all had their origins in the planet Venus that once stood near the Earth in the Polar Configuration because they all share common attributes, history, and iconography. Talbott wrote:

Wherever you find the Universal Monarch (Saturn) you will find close at hand the ancient mother goddess — the goddess whom the Sumerians called Inanna, the Queen of Heaven, and the Babylonians Ishtar, and the Egyptians Isis, Hathor, and Sekhmet, each with numerous counterparts in their own and in other lands, and virtually all of them viewed symbolically as daughter or spouse of the creator-king, and the mother of another, equally prominent figure.

The Mother Goddess is the planet Venus, the luminous, central orb seen squarely in the center of Saturn and from which radiating streams of material course outward. (Thoth, Vol. 2, No. 8.)

So, we see that the true origins of this most Christian of holidays actually owes its existence to events that transpired in Earth ancient heavens.

The Easter egg

Originally, the egg, now a cultural symbol of Easter, was closely related to the eye symbol — both symbols of this mother goddess, this goddess of fertility anciently. Mythical traditions say that she was born as/or in a celestial egg. Indeed, in the Polar Configuration, Venus’ transformation into the prototypical star — the archetype of all radiant star symbols — began when it took on an ovoid shape, thus forever connecting the goddess with the egg.

It is for this reason that the favored decoration for Easter eggs anciently was a star. Indeed, the very name of this goddess in several cultures, as well as our own, came to mean ‘star.’

Yet, in our culture, stars and the eggs have no discernable relationship. Like so much in mythology, the connection seems absurd to the modern mind. Yet, in ancient myth and tradition they are intimately connected. Only the theory of the Polar Configuration satisfactorily explains their symbolic ligature. Indeed, it not only explains it; it demands it. The star and the egg were two primary aspects or phases in the development of ancient Venus while in the Polar Configuration at the dawn of time.

Dyed eggs, originally colored to match the turquoise color of ancient Venus, were part of the rituals enacted in the Babylonian mystery religions. The variety of colors we see today was a natural, artistic elaboration of the original idea. Such colorfully dyed and decorated eggs were considered sacred because of their symbolic representation of the ancient goddess/planet Venus. They played an integral part of the religious ceremonies in Egypt and the Orient. Dyed eggs were hung in Egyptian temples. The egg was regarded as the emblem of regenerative life proceeding from the mouth of the great Egyptian god Atum because the actual planet Venus so presented itself in the Polar Configuration. Venus (Hathor) was centered on Saturn (Atum), assumed an egg shape that seemed to house the child, Mars (Horus) and then appeared to give birth to Mars.

The Easter rabbit

In addition to the egg symbol, the Norse goddess of fertility, Ostara, whose name was clearly a derivative of Aster or Astarte, was connected to the hare. This connection was a later one, unique to the Norse culture, which probably stems from the well-known fecundity of rabbits.

Three other seemingly disconnected traditions of Easter further connect the holiday to pagan practices and ultimately to the Polar Configuration: the woman’s Easter bonnet and special holiday dress as well as the Easter parade.

Easter bonnets and finery

Festivals that celebrated the ancient star goddess, Venus, were ideal occasions for women, who sought to emulate the goddess, to adorn themselves as the goddess herself. The bonnet worn today is a distant replication of the hat, hair dress or crown worn by the goddess in heaven.

Older, more customary variants of the bonnet draped a veil across the face, also a feature of the ancient sky goddess. LDS temple-goers will recognize the validity of this tradition and its connection to temple ritual and furnishings. The dress, usually white, was designed with symbolic significance relevant to the ancient appearance of Venus and her role as a fertility goddess. Thus, anything that enhanced the gender specific attributes of a woman was employed to demonstrate her procreative role. Indeed, the more elaborate, yet accurate, the duplication of the symbols/appearance — because the symbols of the goddess were representations of what she looked like in Earth’s ancient heavens — the greater the identification of the individual with the mother goddess, imitating her essential aspects. Thus, a practice that had deep religious significance in antiquity has come to be a mere fashion statement today. Such is the dilution of the original concepts and practices over time. Yet, the themes persist in our cultural traditions, outliving, by far, the knowledge and understanding they were meant to convey.

The Easter parade

Parading up and down the streets, carrying an effigy of the god or goddess upon their shoulders, the ancients moved from one strategically sited temple location to another to re-enact the mythical movements of their deity in the heavens anciently. In many cultures — especially the Egyptian — these portable shrines were set in replicas of boats, carried on long, stout poles that could be borne by several carriers. It is the image of the god or goddess, sitting in a celestial boat, that we commonly see in ancient Egyptian art. It is for this reason that we apply the term “float” to our modern version of these icons that move along city streets in modern parades. They were originally boats; so calling them floats is natural.

Additionally, it is the reason the term “ark” was applied to the most sacred object in Judaism, the Ark of the Covenant. It was applied to the conveyance that bore tablets containing the Ten Commandments and other artifacts of the Exodus.
Thus, the Easter parade is a modern counterpart of this ancient practice. Once again, our culture maintains the practices or traditions instigated in Earth’s ancient skies with no concept or grasp of their origins or original meanings.

Christian hypocrisy

Ironically, modern Christians, who seem so determined to avoid any suggestion of paganism or cultism in their religions, who vociferously denounce the paganism of Christmas and Mormons as cultists, have enthusiastically embraced the paganism of Easter.

Latter-day Saints, too, fail to recognize the astral traditions in our culture and religion, yet it should not be so. Joseph Smith and the prophets that succeeded him sought to connect us to our ancient past and the traditions handed down through cultural transmission. Sadly, we Saints discarded our understanding of these things in favor of the Christianized customs and practices of the American culture. Yet, like our Christian cousins, our traditions, our temples and our scriptures are filled with the evidence from the past of their true cosmological nature.

© Anthony E. Larson, 2002

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SempiternalHarbinger wrote: February 27th, 2020, 12:53 pm Some new and fascinating information from Ben Davidson posted 5 days ago on his daily space weather news. As the evidence keeps coming in, it is clear mainstream science calculations of the age of the earth are drastically wrong. I will post the links to the papers below.
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN M8+ EARTHQUAKE OCCURRENCES AND THE SOLAR POLAR MAGNETIC FIELDS
http://suspicious0bservers.org/wp-conte ... aper-1.pdf

Electroquakes: The near surface vertical atmospheric electric field abnormality could be as a promising imminent precursor of major earthquakes
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2002/2002.08607.pdf

Sombrero Galaxy: Beyond the Brim, Sombrero Galaxy’s Halo Suggests Turbulent Past
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/20 ... ulent-past


The Earth formed much faster than previously thought
https://news.ku.dk/all_news/2020/02/the ... y-thought/
By measuring iron isotopes, researchers from the University of Copenhagen have shown that our planet originally formed much faster than previously thought. This finding provides new insights on both planetary formation and the likelihood of water and life elsewhere in the universe...

If you compare the solar system's estimated 4.6 billion years of existence with a 24-hour period, the new results indicate that the proto-Earth formed in what corresponds to about a minute and a half.

Thus, the results from StarPlan break with the traditional theory that the proto-Earth formed by random collisions between larger and larger planetary bodies throughout several tens of millions of years – equivalent to about 5-15 minutes out of the above-mentioned fictional 24 hours of formation.
I still believe 5 million is absurd, but it is a lot closer to the truth.

Iron isotope evidence for very rapid accretion and differentiation of the proto-Earth
https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/7/eaay7604
Abstract
Nucleosynthetic isotope variability among solar system objects provides insights into the accretion history of terrestrial planets. We report on the nucleosynthetic Fe isotope composition (μ54Fe) of various meteorites and show that the only material matching the terrestrial composition is CI (Ivuna-type) carbonaceous chondrites, which represent the bulk solar system composition. All other meteorites, including carbonaceous, ordinary, and enstatite chondrites, record excesses in μ54Fe. This observation is inconsistent with protracted growth of Earth by stochastic collisional accretion, which predicts a μ54Fe value reflecting a mixture of the various meteorite parent bodies. Instead, our results suggest a rapid accretion and differentiation of Earth during the ~5–million year disk lifetime, when the volatile-rich CI-like material is accreted to the proto-Sun via the inner disk.
Ben Davidson also mentions the Tibetan glacier, which conventional science use to claim to be 500,000 years old. Turns out they were only 445,000 years off. lol The thing is conventional science take on the age of the Earth, planet formations, evolution (gradualist assumptions), etc., need all the time they can get to maintain current paradigms and billions of $ in funding.

Researchers Date Chinese Ice Core To 500,000 Years
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1 ... 224509.htm
A team of scientists has reconstructed a detailed climate record for the last 130,000 years from a thousand-foot-long ice core they drilled into a glacier on the Tibetan Plateau in 1992. Analyses suggest that the record in the core actually may go back more than 500,000 years.
15 million years to now 5 million, 500 thousand years to now 5 thousand...

Ancient viruses found in Tibetan glacier
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01 ... an-glacier
In 2015, when researchers embarked on an expedition to retrieve the oldest ice on the planet, they were doing it to look for clues about past climate. But during the journey—to the Guliya ice cap in China’s Tibet (above)—they also found 15,000-year-old viruses—some of them new to science,
It would sure be nice to have a method of absolute dating that was reasonably reliable and accurate but that is simply not the case. Radiocarbon dating and other radiometric dating techniques give an illusion of mathematical precision which is not justified. The assumption of constant rates of decay under any condition (for radiometric dating) and the assumption of reasonably constant carbon levels (for C 14 dating) in the past would not apply under dynamic and catastrophic conditions involving massive electrical discharges, floods, volcanic eruptions, etc. The fact that C14 dating needs to be "calibrated" is a tip-off that all is not well.

Charles Ginenthal deals with this topic in The Extinction of the Mammoth(1997) pages 153-202.
http://immanuelvelikovsky.com/Mammoth_01052014.pdf

In the dating of ancient Egyptian objects, C14 dates which do not conform with the accepted chronology are discarded as contaminated and not published, those that do, are published. This is hardly good science. Since there is no means of determining what is contaminated and what is not, other than its' support of the accepted chronological scheme, it amounts to nothing more than circular reasoning. Ginenthal (p163) quotes a Harvard professor:
If a C14 date supports our theories, we put it in the main text. If it does not entirely contradict them, we put it in the footnote. And if it is completely 'out of date', we just drop it.
As an example of this, Ginenthal cites the results of a test performed by the British Museum on palm kernels and mat reed from the tomb of Tutankhamon, who supposedly lived in the 14th C BCE. The results were 899 BCE and 846 BCE, a discrepancy of almost 500 years. Those dates were never published.

In "The Pitfalls of Radiocarbon Dating," Pensee Volume IV, Velikovsky wrote:
But as the method was refined, it started to show rather regular anomalies. First, it was noticed that, when radiocarbon dated, wood grown in the 20th century appears more ancient than wood grown in the 19th century. Suess explained the phenomenon by the fact that the increased industrial use of fossil carbon in coal and in oil changed the ratio between the dead carbon C12 and the C14 (radiocarbon) in the atmosphere and therefore also in the biosphere. In centuries to come a body of a man or animal who lived and died in the 20th century would appear paradoxically of greater age since death than the body of a man or animal of the 19th century, and if the process of industrial use of fossil, therefore dead, carbon continues to increase, as it is expected will be the case, the paradox will continue into the forthcoming centuries

http://www.varchive.org/ce/c14.htm
Ginenthal cites several cases where the remains (hunted by humans) of extinct elephants such as mastodons and mammoths [who are thought to have become extinct, and supported by radiocarbon dating, a minimum of 12,000 years before the present] are found associated with pottery that cannot be dated beyond 3000 BCE and is probably much later. Also cited, are scenes painted in an Egyptian tomb, from the dynastic (historical) era, of a mammoth. see: Baruch Rosen, "Mammoths in ancient Egypt?" Nature, vol. 369, (June 2, 1994) p. 364

Britain's Science and Engineering Research Council conducted a test where objects of known age were sent to 38 labs for C14 dating. Only 7 labs gave reasonably accurate dates while the other 31 were way off, some by thousands of years.
Ginenthal wrote:
...a tree growing next to an airport added so much additional old carbon to its wood tissues from airplane exhaust fumes which it had processed via photosynthesis, that when tested, its wood gave a radiocarbon date of 10,000 years. (footnote 71) Any animal that ate the foilage of that ree or the grasses growing in the vicinity, subject to the same conditions, would absorb that old carbon in far greater proportions...its radioactive age would appear much older than it actually was. -footnote 71- Bruno Huber, "Recording Gaseous Exchanges Under Field Conditions", The Physiology of Forest Trees, K. V. Thinmann ed., (New York, 1958) p. 194
The fact of the matter is that C14 dating has failed too many tests to be considered reliable. Why should we accept a date that is derived solely from radiocarbon analysis when that method has been shown to be unreliable when put to the test as it is with modern dating techniques?

This article on About.com gives an overview of the various dating methods used in archaeology and some of the problems associated with them.
https://www.thoughtco.com/archaeologica ... ion-167119

Lightning emits EM rays in various frequencies, thereby X-rays and gamma rays. A meteor impact will, according to EU theory, trigger enormous electrical discharges of the same kind. These rays will affect radioactive substances.

Gamma rays discovered in lightning storms (never mind their speculation, but note what they observed):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34114891

Thunderbolts Picture Of the Day that discusses dating issues:
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2009/arch ... ongago.htm
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2009/arch ... ngago2.htm

Observation of the acceleration by an electromagnetic field of nuclear beta decay
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=20279471

The strange case of solar flares and radioactive elements
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/aug ... 82310.html

Electromagnetically induced nuclear beta decay in electric-field gauge
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1984P ... R/abstract

Perturbation of Nuclear Decay Rates During the Solar Flare of 13 December 2006
https://arxiv.org/abs/0808.3156

Radioactivity and Transmutation: An Electrical Connection
http://www.jamesphogan.com/bb/bulletin.php?id=1159

Radioactive Decay Rates May Not Be Constant After All
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/ ... cabf7b147f

Antarctic Fossil Questions
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... fossil.htm

Some basic facts of C-14:
1. It is created high above the troposphere in conditions highly dependent upon solar flux.
2. It is found in a ratio of about 1 part to 1 million of C-12 in living organisms.
3. After 5 half-lives, or about 30,000 alleged years, there is too little C-14 in any sample to reliably count.
4. There is no way whatsoever to correlate radiocarbon to "known" times before about 5000 BP; only by assumption of perpetuous equilibrium conditions can C-14 be called upon for dates before that time.
5. If, as I mentioned earlier, there was a time before the recent earth-changing catastrophe when the transport of C-14 from the upper atmosphere to the biosphere was blocked by [greenhouse] atmospheric conditions, as is suggested by all fossil data, then any materials from around, during or before that atmospheric structure-changing catastrophe would contain only minute amounts if any of C-14, causing all such materials to be dated with an incorrectly "old" age.

Here is a summary of the Electric Universe position: Wal Thornhill wrote:
Myth No. 4. Radioactive dating can give reliable estimates of the ages of rocks. The solar system is 3.7 billion years old.

Radioactive dating relies on a planet being essentially a closed system since shortly after its formation. However, powerful plasma discharges are a copious source of neutrons, which can introduce radioactive species to planetary surfaces. Matter is also irradiated and transferred between planets by cosmic discharges. Radioactive ‘clocks’ cannot be relied upon under such circumstances. This also explains isotope anomalies in some meteorites, for example, in the Allende meteorite (and others of its type) where short-lived radioactive decay products like Mg26 are found to excess. It suggests conventionally that there was more than the expected amount of Al26 in the early nebula when the meteor was formed. This, in turn, has led to speculation that there was a nearby supernova at or near the same time. No such implausible explanation is required in an Electric Universe. The meteor is a remnant of debris removed from a planetary surface by a plasma arc, which has the power to generate radioactive species in situ in the meteorite.
http://www.holoscience.com/wp/astronomi ... e=e511t4z2
This paper is a few years old but is still VERY relevant! This is one where they realized the Tibetan ice caps were not older than half a million years but rather could have an upper limit of age as little as 15,000 years and has an upper limit that means it's possibly younger. These dating techniques that they've been using in the past are crazy absurd like that example of the crater in Australia redated from over 300,000 years to about half or less than that. Today we climb a step higher and the world will have to come to terms with the fact that Greenland has melted off entirely at least once in the recent geologic past. They say the last million years and potentially much closer to now even. It was discovered in an old ice core from Project Iceworm, a secret military operation that included underground bases in Greenland they had lost and forgotten about the deep pouring for decades. And while they take the position that this new data means Greenland must be more vulnerable to climate change, in reality, this is a nod for what the Thunderbolts Project has been saying for a long while, their dating methods are WAY off and beyond that, yes folks, the world turns over and while there is evidence that it isn't enough to melt to polar caps each tilt it would be in some of them being at the equator will do that a forest in Greenland with no human pollution and a toss back to ice.

81Kr Dating at the Guliya Ice Cap, Tibetan Plateau
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com ... 19GL082464
The oldest ice that has ever been found outside of the polar regions is from the bottom of the Guliya ice cap in the western Kunlun mountains on the Tibetan Plateau. Previous dating results from the Guliya ice core, drilled in 1992, indicate that the bottom ice is more than 500,000 years old. However, due to the lack of alternative dating methods in that time range, the age scale of the Guliya ice core has so far not been checked independently. In this work we present dating results for the Guliya ice cap with a new dating method for ice based on the radioactive decay of the extremely rare krypton isotope 81Kr. Eight ice samples were retrieved at three different margin sites of the Guliya ice cap, where the old bottom ice is expected to resurface. The 81Kr measurements for these samples yield upper age limits in the range of 15–74 ka, which is significantly lower than the previous dating results for the ice core.
UVM scientists stunned to discover plants beneath mile-deep Greenland ice
https://www.uvm.edu/uvmnews/news/uvm-sc ... enland-ice

A multimillion-year-old record of Greenland vegetation and glacial history preserved in sediment beneath 1.4 km of ice at Camp Century
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/13/e2021442118

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EmmaLee wrote: April 2nd, 2021, 12:13 pm Easter

Most Christians vaguely grasp the connections between Easter and Passover. What most do not understand are the deep roots both holidays have in paganism and Saturnian symbolism. However, such knowledge serves to explain much of the tradition and ritual surrounding this Christian holiday.

A Christian holiday

Easter celebrates the death and resurrection of the Savior in the meridian of time. Mormons, like the rest of Christianity, see the holiday as a time to remember and reverence that most sacred and remarkable event in all of history.

The entire philosophy of Christianity hinges on the resurrection. Without it, Christianity — and by inference, Mormonism as well — is just another religious philosophy among many. With the resurrection comes the promise that all will rise from the grave, Christ being the first fruits. This concept is at the heart of our religion.

The Passover connection

Easter’s connection with the Passover stems from the fact that the Savior’s crucifixion and resurrection in Jerusalem took place during the annual Jewish Passover celebration, a juxtaposition that was not lost on the Savior since he clearly chose the time and the place of his own expiation.

Seen from the catastrophist’s point of view, the Passover was a celebration of Israelite deliverance — not just from Egyptian bondage, but the entire planet from planetary catastrophe. Passover was the moment of closest approach between Earth and the comet Venus, hence the term “pass over.” It was the culmination of a series of plagues that afflicted not only Egypt, but also the entire world, according to Velikovsky.

So, too, in Christian eyes, Easter is a celebration of the deliverance of the human race from the bonds of death.

Both Easter and Passover involve the consumption of a ritual meal in remembrance of their deliverance. The Jewish Seder reflects the Lord’s directive that the Israelites eat roast lamb, unleavened bread and bitter herbs. (Exodus 12:8-10.) They do so to remember how they were saved from the plague that took so many Egyptians during the Exodus. The Christian sacrament reflects Christ’s instruction that they partake of bread and wine to remember him and the deliverance from death he has provided. (Luke 22:19, 20.)

A note, in passing

Incidentally, it may be noteworthy, in passing, that there may have been a very practical purpose for the consumption of the Passover meal. If, as Velikovsky suggests, Earth’s atmosphere was supercharged with elements from the tail of the passing comet Venus, then eating bread without yeast and bitter herbs may have served to offset the debilitating physical effects on the human body of those pollutants. If, as this author suggests, the compounds that turned the water red in Egypt were acidic, causing sickness and death in animals and humans, then the basic, alkaline nature of bitter herbs would serve to chemically offset the elevated levels of acid in the body (acidosis).

Additionally, it is well known that certain types of yeast (Candida albicans, for example) in the gut can release toxins that can severely debilitate the immune system. Other types of yeast produce compounds that can cause humans to hallucinate. In this instance, the instructions to eat bread without yeast (unleavened) may have been designed to help the Israelites better cope physically with the temporarily hostile environment created by the extraterrestrial pollutants — eminently practical advice given through revelation from God to Moses. The idea of food as medicine is one that modern science has recently come to recognize, a philosophy that has been at the heart of herbal use and practices since time immemorial.

Eating is a religious experience?

Such ritual meals as Seder, the Eucharist and the Sacrament are also practiced in most pagan cultures. They range, on one end of the spectrum, from consumption of simple foods to cannibalism on the other extreme.

Most animal sacrifice did not consist of cremation, as most moderns believe. Rather, it was, in most cases, a ritual method of cooking and preparing the animal for eating. Our modern, seemingly innocuous and strictly culinary practice of barbequing actually has its roots in cultural traditions of sacrifice. So remember, next time you throw something on the ‘barbie,’ you are practicing the time-honored, ritualistic tradition of sacrifice with its roots deep in antiquity.

Recidivist Israelites, too, adopted pagan eating rituals. "The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger." (Jeremiah 7:18.)

Note the similarity between the elements of this ritual and the Christian sacrament. They consumed bread and drink in honor of the goddess. It was a ritual meal. These backsliding Israelites prepared cakes and drink to honor their pagan gods, just as we take bread and water today. Such similarities are not coincidental. Christ, on the eve of his crucifixion, obviously turned to a well-established, ancient practice in the Hebrew culture as the basis for his new eating ritual, the Sacrament.

Hot cross buns

Just such a ritual meal is connected with the Christian’s celebration of Easter. Hot cross buns are a lesser, but well established part of this holiday that, doubtlessly, have their origins in pagan antiquity. These loaves were originally marked with horns, the crescent symbol for ancient Saturn, or the cross, the cruciform symbol for the Queen of Heaven, Astarte or Venus. The ancient Greeks also consumed these types of buns in their celebrations of Artemis, Goddess of the hunt (known as Diana to the Romans). And the Egyptians ate a similar cake in their worship of the Goddess Isis. Later, Saxons ate buns that were marked with a cross in honor of Eastre (Astarte). These customs of creating a ceremonial bread or loaf, marking it with the symbol of the goddess, then eating it as part of a festival in honor of that same goddess is an echo of the Israelite practice of making cakes to their Queen of Heaven.

Such universal practices beg the question, where did the human race get the idea that eating something was a sacred practice? The idea that eating should be part of religious ritual may have begun in Earth’s ancient heavens when one planet ‘consumed’ other, smaller satellites. In a later monograph, we will discuss more about sacrificial rituals around the world and the events and beliefs that may have inspired the practice.

A Christian or pagan holiday?

Returning to our Easter theme, it seems rather ironic that this ostensibly Christian holiday is burdened with much of the celebration and ceremony that once attached itself to the ancient cults that worshipped astral goddesses.

We discover, for instance, that the very name of the holiday has its roots in idolatry. Easter is a corruption of the name of the goddess who leant her name to the holiday, Aster or Astarte, as the Greeks knew her. Her Syro-Phoenician counterpart was the goddess Ashtoreth. The Babylonians called her Ishtar and the Romans called her Venus. She was also the great mother goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe, who knew her as Eastre, from whence we get the name Easter today.

The Saturn connection

Surely these ancient goddesses from a variety of ancient cultures all had their origins in the planet Venus that once stood near the Earth in the Polar Configuration because they all share common attributes, history, and iconography. Talbott wrote:

Wherever you find the Universal Monarch (Saturn) you will find close at hand the ancient mother goddess — the goddess whom the Sumerians called Inanna, the Queen of Heaven, and the Babylonians Ishtar, and the Egyptians Isis, Hathor, and Sekhmet, each with numerous counterparts in their own and in other lands, and virtually all of them viewed symbolically as daughter or spouse of the creator-king, and the mother of another, equally prominent figure.

The Mother Goddess is the planet Venus, the luminous, central orb seen squarely in the center of Saturn and from which radiating streams of material course outward. (Thoth, Vol. 2, No. 8.)

So, we see that the true origins of this most Christian of holidays actually owes its existence to events that transpired in Earth ancient heavens.

The Easter egg

Originally, the egg, now a cultural symbol of Easter, was closely related to the eye symbol — both symbols of this mother goddess, this goddess of fertility anciently. Mythical traditions say that she was born as/or in a celestial egg. Indeed, in the Polar Configuration, Venus’ transformation into the prototypical star — the archetype of all radiant star symbols — began when it took on an ovoid shape, thus forever connecting the goddess with the egg.

It is for this reason that the favored decoration for Easter eggs anciently was a star. Indeed, the very name of this goddess in several cultures, as well as our own, came to mean ‘star.’

Yet, in our culture, stars and the eggs have no discernable relationship. Like so much in mythology, the connection seems absurd to the modern mind. Yet, in ancient myth and tradition they are intimately connected. Only the theory of the Polar Configuration satisfactorily explains their symbolic ligature. Indeed, it not only explains it; it demands it. The star and the egg were two primary aspects or phases in the development of ancient Venus while in the Polar Configuration at the dawn of time.

Dyed eggs, originally colored to match the turquoise color of ancient Venus, were part of the rituals enacted in the Babylonian mystery religions. The variety of colors we see today was a natural, artistic elaboration of the original idea. Such colorfully dyed and decorated eggs were considered sacred because of their symbolic representation of the ancient goddess/planet Venus. They played an integral part of the religious ceremonies in Egypt and the Orient. Dyed eggs were hung in Egyptian temples. The egg was regarded as the emblem of regenerative life proceeding from the mouth of the great Egyptian god Atum because the actual planet Venus so presented itself in the Polar Configuration. Venus (Hathor) was centered on Saturn (Atum), assumed an egg shape that seemed to house the child, Mars (Horus) and then appeared to give birth to Mars.

The Easter rabbit

In addition to the egg symbol, the Norse goddess of fertility, Ostara, whose name was clearly a derivative of Aster or Astarte, was connected to the hare. This connection was a later one, unique to the Norse culture, which probably stems from the well-known fecundity of rabbits.

Three other seemingly disconnected traditions of Easter further connect the holiday to pagan practices and ultimately to the Polar Configuration: the woman’s Easter bonnet and special holiday dress as well as the Easter parade.

Easter bonnets and finery

Festivals that celebrated the ancient star goddess, Venus, were ideal occasions for women, who sought to emulate the goddess, to adorn themselves as the goddess herself. The bonnet worn today is a distant replication of the hat, hair dress or crown worn by the goddess in heaven.

Older, more customary variants of the bonnet draped a veil across the face, also a feature of the ancient sky goddess. LDS temple-goers will recognize the validity of this tradition and its connection to temple ritual and furnishings. The dress, usually white, was designed with symbolic significance relevant to the ancient appearance of Venus and her role as a fertility goddess. Thus, anything that enhanced the gender specific attributes of a woman was employed to demonstrate her procreative role. Indeed, the more elaborate, yet accurate, the duplication of the symbols/appearance — because the symbols of the goddess were representations of what she looked like in Earth’s ancient heavens — the greater the identification of the individual with the mother goddess, imitating her essential aspects. Thus, a practice that had deep religious significance in antiquity has come to be a mere fashion statement today. Such is the dilution of the original concepts and practices over time. Yet, the themes persist in our cultural traditions, outliving, by far, the knowledge and understanding they were meant to convey.

The Easter parade

Parading up and down the streets, carrying an effigy of the god or goddess upon their shoulders, the ancients moved from one strategically sited temple location to another to re-enact the mythical movements of their deity in the heavens anciently. In many cultures — especially the Egyptian — these portable shrines were set in replicas of boats, carried on long, stout poles that could be borne by several carriers. It is the image of the god or goddess, sitting in a celestial boat, that we commonly see in ancient Egyptian art. It is for this reason that we apply the term “float” to our modern version of these icons that move along city streets in modern parades. They were originally boats; so calling them floats is natural.

Additionally, it is the reason the term “ark” was applied to the most sacred object in Judaism, the Ark of the Covenant. It was applied to the conveyance that bore tablets containing the Ten Commandments and other artifacts of the Exodus.
Thus, the Easter parade is a modern counterpart of this ancient practice. Once again, our culture maintains the practices or traditions instigated in Earth’s ancient skies with no concept or grasp of their origins or original meanings.

Christian hypocrisy

Ironically, modern Christians, who seem so determined to avoid any suggestion of paganism or cultism in their religions, who vociferously denounce the paganism of Christmas and Mormons as cultists, have enthusiastically embraced the paganism of Easter.

Latter-day Saints, too, fail to recognize the astral traditions in our culture and religion, yet it should not be so. Joseph Smith and the prophets that succeeded him sought to connect us to our ancient past and the traditions handed down through cultural transmission. Sadly, we Saints discarded our understanding of these things in favor of the Christianized customs and practices of the American culture. Yet, like our Christian cousins, our traditions, our temples and our scriptures are filled with the evidence from the past of their true cosmological nature.

© Anthony E. Larson, 2002
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This video was produced by a friend of mine. It's an informative presentation on the Electric Universe/Plasma Physics in relation to Abraham's Egyptian writings.
I will just reiterate the importance of a comparative approach to world ancient mythology in relation to the Egyptian Book of Abraham. It is through these lenses that we learn Joseph knew exactly what he was talking about. Without this approach (comparative mythology) it is utterly impossible to understand the EBOA.

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