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Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 11:35 am
by Juliette
2 Corinthians 5:16

Don't grumble about each other, my brothers and sisters, or God will judge you. For look! The great Judge is coming. He is standing at the door!
First, why do we judge others? Some reasons why people criticize and find fault may be the following:

To justify our own faults. By pointing out how many other people have faults and that some of their faults are worse than ours, we make our faults seem smaller by comparison. As President N. Eldon Tanner has noted, “Sometimes as I move among people I am almost convinced that it is human nature to magnify the weaknesses in others in order to minimize our own.” (Improvement Era, June 1967, p. 29.)
Revenge or jealousy. Because we may have been wronged by someone, we may want to get even with him by hurting him. Or we may want to tear down a person who outshines us if we are covetous or envious of what he has.
To shift the blame. When we make mistakes, we may avoid the responsibility for them by criticizing the performance of those who are working with us. Or we may try to shift the responsibility by finding fault with the performance of others.
Even if our perceptions were accurate and we could perceive intent as well as behavior, we would still not be qualified to judge. The Lord indicated the reason for this in his Sermon on the Mount when he told us to not be too concerned about the mote in our brother’s eye until we get the beam out of our own eye. (Matt. 7:3–5.) In contrasting a small particle of dust in our brother’s eye with a large piece of wood in our own eye, the Savior was suggesting that, because we ourselves are sinners, we are not justified in condemning others for sinning. Paul also reminded the Romans of this fact: “Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whoever thou art that judgest; for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.” (Rom. 2:1.) Some of us spend too much time discussing other people’s sins when we should be working on our own. If we cannot make ourselves into what we want, what right do we have to try to make others over?
The judgment of the Lord is fair and just, because he can accurately perceive intents (1 Kgs. 8:39; 1 Sam. 16:7), and he takes these into account in judging us. As President Brigham Young noted, “It is not by words, particularly, nor by actions, that men will be judged in the great day of the Lord; but, in connection with words and actions, the sentiments and intentions of the hearts will be taken, and by these will men be judged.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 10

If the Lord uses his own criteria for judging, we are assured of a just and merciful judgment. (Ps. 103:8; John 5:30.) Are we confident enough with the criteria we use in judging others that we are willing to have the Lord judge us by our criteria rather than his? Do we want him to judge us in the same way we judge others? If not, then perhaps we should be hesitant to criticize and condemn others.

If we could accept and practice the second great commandment, “Thou shall love thy neighbour as thyself” (Matt. 22:39), and really learn to love our neighbors, there would be no vicious gossip or bearing false witness. In the Lord’s prayer, we have these words: “And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors,” and then he says: “For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matt. 6:12, 14–15.)

Christ is our greatest example of forgiveness. To the woman brought before him accused of adultery, he said, “Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.” (John 8:11.)

Then on the cross he prayed: “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34.)

Faith in Jesus Christ helps us be prepared for the Final Judgment. Through faithful discipleship to Him and repentance of all our sins, we can be forgiven for our sins and become pure and holy so that we can dwell in the presence of God. As we repent of our sins, giving up every impure thought and act, the Holy Ghost will change our hearts so we no longer have even the desire to sin (see Mosiah 5:2). Then when we are judged, we will be found ready to enter into God’s presence.

Re: Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 11:50 am
by Rand
Good thoughts Juliette. I wonder at our willingness to judge, and find the ability to be offended to be based on judgment. How could we take offense unless we have judged the other party as being offensive. As soon as we think someone has trespassed against us, we should ask their forgiveness, because we have judged them as being trespassers.

As we progress enough along this journey, it seems that we will not be able to see bad in others at all. I think God sees us mostly, if not completely in terms of our goodness. We will be judged by the light and truth we possess rather than the darkness that resides in us.

Re: Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 1:40 pm
by lundbaek
Now let's look at reality and employ a little common sense . We often enuf have to judge the advisability of hiring, firing, supporting, opposing, freeing, imprisoning, promoting, warning against, marrying, divorcing, dating, dumping, praising, and criticizing people based on their past actions, performances, and/or statements. Misjudging a person can have any number of possible consequences. Worst case I can think of at the moment was a young woman who chose to forgive and overlook a man's two previous marriages that had ended with adultery. Would any of you knowingly marry a person who espoused and promoted principles you considered abhorrent ?

Re: Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 1:48 pm
by Juliette
Rand wrote:Good thoughts Juliette. I wonder at our willingness to judge, and find the ability to be offended to be based on judgment. How could we take offense unless we have judged the other party as being offensive. As soon as we think someone has trespassed against us, we should ask their forgiveness, because we have judged them as being trespassers.

As we progress enough along this journey, it seems that we will not be able to see bad in others at all. I think God sees us mostly, if not completely in terms of our goodness. We will be judged by the light and truth we possess rather than the darkness that resides in us.
So now I'm confused. You are saying that we find the ability to be offended based on judging that someone has judged us?
Unless one states that they have been offended, we must not consider that an article on judging is because of offense. We must instead wonder if we have tresspassed against anyone. That is a truly humble attitude.

Humility is the quality of being modest and respectful. Humility, in various interpretations, is widely seen as a virtue in many religious and philosophical traditions, being connected with notions of transcendent unity with the universe or the divine, and of egolessness.

Humility is being studied as a trait that can enhance leadership effectiveness. The research suggests that humility is multi-dimensional and includes self-understanding and awareness, openness, and perspective taking.

Re: Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 1:54 pm
by Juliette
lundbaek wrote:Now let's look at reality and employ a little common sense . We often enuf have to judge the advisability of hiring, firing, supporting, opposing, freeing, imprisoning, promoting, warning against, marrying, divorcing, dating, dumping, praising, and criticizing people based on their past actions, performances, and/or statements. Misjudging a person can have any number of possible consequences. Worst case I can think of at the moment was a young woman who chose to forgive and overlook a man's two previous marriages that had ended with adultery. Would any of you knowingly marry a person who espoused and promoted principles you considered abhorrent ?
Judge with Righteous Judgment

Jesus said: "Judge not, that you be not judged" (Matthew 7:1).


Does this mean we are never to judge? Certainly not, for Jesus also said: "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24).


We are commanded to exercise righteous judgment. We are forbidden to judge when we are not qualified to do so.

Re: Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 2:38 pm
by lundbaek
Let' stop dancing around the issues here. Some of you are annoyed because others, myself included, have judged Mitt Romney as not deserving of our vote for POTUS. I fancy myself as being as well or better qualified as any other member of this forum to make such a call.

In early 2003, I learned that a member of the LDS Church had been elected Governor of my "home state", Massachusetts. That raised a red flag for me. I grew up in Massachusetts, spent several years of my adult life there, and my first intrusion of any significance into the political arena, back in 1975-76 was in opposition to some evil machinations of Senator Ted Kennedy. I learned years ago that in Massachusetts no one gets elected to the governorship or to the US Congress who would comply with what we consider principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers. Since 2003 I have researched Mitt Romney's history in the political arena back as far as 1994. I have been disappointed but not surprised by so many instances or examples of his disdain for constitutional and moral principles. To me he appears to be an excellent but deceptive politician willing to compromise in order to gain popularity and votes.

I also have confidence in my understanding of the principles of the Gospel that apply to government. From what I have learned just from the scriptures, David O. McKay, J. Reuben Clark, Ezra Taft Benson, H. Verlan Andersen, Jerome Horowitz, W. Cleon Skousen, and a few others most of you may never have heard of, I believe I am well enuf qualified to opine that Mitt Romney is not deserving of my support anywhere in the political arena.

Re: Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 2:51 pm
by tmac
Although I have tried to make a commitment with myself not to get too involved in contentious threads/discussions, and I can see that this one might become one, I guess I still can't resist weighing in with a few thoughts. First of all, personally, I think "Judging Each Other," is different than making judgments about politicians and elected officials. While we should be reserved in judging "each other," what I find of even greater concern than simply exercising judgment about others is the condemnation that we often engage in. When it comes to politicians, however, we better be exercising our utmost "judgment," individually and collectively in thoroughly vetting and evaluating them. I agree with Lunbaek in many respects in this regard. Even then, though, I don't believe we should be condemning them, but that doesn't mean they deserve our vote, or should even be elected. But of course the challenge/problem is that everyone has a different opinion about how they want to exercise their "judgment" in terms of who to vote for. I have concluded, however, that most of our discussions about politicians here on LDSFF are a complete waste of time -- endless, contentious argument(s) that never really change anything.

Re: Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 3:18 pm
by Rand
Juliette wrote: So now I'm confused. You are saying that we find the ability to be offended based on judging that someone has judged us?
Unless one states that they have been offended, we must not consider that an article on judging is because of offense. We must instead wonder if we have tresspassed against anyone. That is a truly humble attitude.
Juliette, I am confused by your confusion. :-\ Sorry I was not more literate. I am not smart enough to understand your perception of what I tried to say. Let me try again, and sincerely it has nothing to do with Ron Paul or Mitt Romney... maybe a little about Newt, but I'm not sure about that. :)

What I am trying to say is that if we have been offended, in attitude, that can only come from judging someone as being offensive. I had a good sister in our ward come up to me and suggest that, "There is something deeply wrong with you. You are not right. There is something deeply wrong with you." Thereupon she turned and walked away. Hmmm. I guess I could have been offended, or I could decide to consider that there may be some truth to what she said. If I looked for deeper truth, I would not be offended. If I choose to be offended, it is a sign I didn't want to look for deeper truth.

I liked your comments on humility. An undervalued and utilized virtue.

Re: Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 4:18 pm
by Juliette
Rand wrote:
Juliette wrote: So now I'm confused. You are saying that we find the ability to be offended based on judging that someone has judged us?
Unless one states that they have been offended, we must not consider that an article on judging is because of offense. We must instead wonder if we have tresspassed against anyone. That is a truly humble attitude.
Juliette, I am confused by your confusion. :-\ Sorry I was not more literate. I am not smart enough to understand your perception of what I tried to say. Let me try again, and sincerely it has nothing to do with Ron Paul or Mitt Romney... maybe a little about Newt, but I'm not sure about that. :)

What I am trying to say is that if we have been offended, in attitude, that can only come from judging someone as being offensive. I had a good sister in our ward come up to me and suggest that, "There is something deeply wrong with you. You are not right. There is something deeply wrong with you." Thereupon she turned and walked away. Hmmm. I guess I could have been offended, or I could decide to consider that there may be some truth to what she said. If I looked for deeper truth, I would not be offended. If I choose to be offended, it is a sign I didn't want to look for deeper truth.

I liked your comments on humility. An undervalued and utilized virtue.

Is this what you are trying to say Rand?

“He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool, and he who takes offense when offense is intended is a greater fool.”
― Brigham Young

Re: Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 6:20 pm
by Rand
Basically, and if we choose to take offense, we are sinning. It is usually those that feel judged that are doing the judging.

Re: Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 6:43 pm
by SmallFarm
tmac wrote:I have concluded, however, that most of our discussions about politicians here on LDSFF are a complete waste of time -- endless, contentious argument(s) that never really change anything
This is why I try nowadays to make my discussions about principles that I think should be upheld by politicians.

Re: Judging Each Other

Posted: February 19th, 2012, 7:48 pm
by Juliette
SmallFarm wrote:
tmac wrote:I have concluded, however, that most of our discussions about politicians here on LDSFF are a complete waste of time -- endless, contentious argument(s) that never really change anything
This is why I try nowadays to make my discussions about principles that I think should be upheld by politicians.
Most of the arguments here might be a waste of time, but some of them are so informative and intelligent, I have learned so much.
I like knowing what others are thinking. I don't express myself very well, but I love hearing other peoples opinions.