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The Credit Card Splash Down

Posted: January 14th, 2008, 11:37 am
by SwissMrs&Pitchfire
Mish
Credit Card Time Bomb Is Ticking Away

The Next Subprime

While searching for information on securitizations I came across this article from October 30 2007: The $915B bomb in consumers' wallets.

This past summer's subprime meltdown involved about $900 billion in now-suspect securitized debt, reckless lending, and consumers who buckled under the weight of loans they couldn't afford. Now another link in the consumer debt chain - credit cards - is starting to show signs of strain. And the fear that the $915 billion in U.S. credit card debt (an uncannily similar figure) may blow up has major financial institutions like Citigroup, American Express, and Bank of America strapping on their Kevlar vests.

"This is absolutely not the next one to blow," says Meredith Whitney, banking analyst at CIBC. Christopher Marshall, CFO of Fifth Third Bancorp in Cincinnati, points out that the U.S. has a long history of credit card securitization, "so it's fairly well understood." The securitization of the subprime sector, by comparison, "got blurry, and people didn't focus on what it meant."

[My Comment: Anyone care to revise that forecast?]

Credit agencies that monitor credit cards in the asset-backed securities market share that confidence. "The performance in the core consumer [asset-backed securities] sectors is expected to deteriorate modestly, but not enough to cause substantial downgrades," says Kevin Duignan, managing director at Fitch.

[My comment: Is Fitch ever right?]

But credit card debt is different from subprime debt in another way: Unlike mortgages, credit card debt is unsecured, so a default means a total loss. And while missed payments are at a historical low, they show signs of an uptick: The quarterly delinquency rate for Capital One, Washington Mutual, Citigroup, J.P. Morgan Chase, and Bank of America rose an average of 13% in the third quarter, compared with a 2% drop in the previous quarter.

If there is an international precedent the U.S. should be watching, it's actually that of the U.K. British consumers are just as overstretched as Americans, but since the real estate market there rose faster and fell earlier, they're about 18 months ahead in the credit cycle. Since the last quarter of 2005, credit card delinquencies and charge-off rates in Britain have risen as much as 50%, forcing banks to take huge write-offs.

It's a sign of the times that, according to one survey last month, 6% of British homeowners have been using their credit cards to pay their mortgages. That's suicidal, of course, given that credit card interest rates are more than double even the heftiest mortgage. Keep your fingers crossed that it's not a trend that crosses the Atlantic.

Posted: January 14th, 2008, 11:56 am
by Proud 2b Peculiar
whoa.. how could they even consider doing that? Using a credit card to pay their mortgage, it only gives the illusion of covering it for a long time.... WOW

Posted: January 14th, 2008, 3:11 pm
by Col. Flagg
That is beyond insanity.

Posted: January 15th, 2008, 10:21 am
by shadow
I think people just do what they think is necessary. They're only acting in their best interest as they see it. It's very sad to see it happen.

Posted: January 15th, 2008, 2:21 pm
by Jeremy
shadow wrote:I think people just do what they think is necessary. They're only acting in their best interest as they see it.
in the present. The future though...ouch.

Posted: January 15th, 2008, 2:52 pm
by Proud 2b Peculiar
So, what does it mean now that the Fed Res is auctioning off fund for banks at 3.95%?

Posted: January 15th, 2008, 6:25 pm
by SwissMrs&Pitchfire
They announced the auctions back in December. They are 3 month repos I believe (have to be paid back). They are helping businesses to prolong the inevitable (think mortgage on credit card). The problems however are growing and the fed cannot float larger and larger loans (to pass the problem on down the line) for the years it is going to take to avert the realities of insolvency.

The futures crowd is betting (in the neighborhood of 60% now) on a .75% rate cut this month! They can cut the rate, but someone still has to buy the debt and somebody has to meet the borrower qualifications to borrow it (look at how many people the fed turns away from the discount window every day now). That gives you an idea of how many can even meet the minimum borrower requirements to get at that pretend money. It also shows you that lowering the rate does not increase the number of qualified borrowers. Ie. it is not inflationary because nobody is borrowing it, because nobody is qualified to.

http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/omo/dmm/temp.cfm

$62 billion was requested today, the fed turned down about $56 billion and granted only $6.75 billion.

This is not supposed to happen every day (the use of the discount window. It used to be the lender of last resort), heck not even every week or month for that matter, but it is!

With only 10% getting service from the fed, 90% are going to the auction, selling their souls, or running to Abu Dhabi, China, etc... for their needs (not sustainable past today).

Or in layman's terms, it is not just the pee-ons who are paying their mortgage with credit cards!