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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3867390173

If so, watch it, it is very informative.

I have been observing it for about 1/2 of my nearly 70 years.

Dial-up, still have not seen it.

Highly recommended just watched it again this week Aaron Russo is truly missed he was a great American.

SwissMrs&Pitchfire wrote:Dial-up, still have not seen it.

Maybe we can work out getting you the DVD, they have specials if you get it in bulk where they are $1 each.

Or maybe there is someone here who already bought them in bulk to hand out to their neighbor's or something.... and they can send you one?

lundbaek wrote:I have been observing it for about 1/2 of my nearly 70 years.

LOL..

I found out about four-five years ago.

After my friend in Iran told me about it, and I did not believe him and I went to search to prove him wrong and found it.

cjex wrote:Highly recommended just watched it again this week Aaron Russo is truly missed he was a great American.

Me too... its case was laying out on our DVD player since my mother-in-law had borrowed it and was spreading the news around and I finally got it back last week... so, I decided to pop it in and watch it again (first saw it months and months ago). I love the part where that IRS Director refers to the income tax as a 'voluntary contribution'. Yeah... OK!

I found it very interesting as well...
(LC, you should be getting some DVD's in the mail soon per your request.)

U.S. government income from constitutional taxes on corporate gains/profits: $250 billion

U.S. government income from unconstitutional taxes on our labor:
$950 billion

And not one penny from that $950 billion goes to any government operations... it is all used to pay interest to the bankers on the national debt owed by us but created by our so-called 'leaders' in Washington by OUR tax money... holy cow.

1913 - Federal Reserve Act - IRS - income tax - wealth beyond the bankers' wildest dreams! It is the most cleverly disguised scheme of financial rape, pillaging and fraud ever perpetrated upon the people of a nation. Wow... 95 years and counting...

My favorite dvd to hand out to members. (as well as nonmembers of course)

Aaron Russo was a true PATRIOT!!!

Army Of Truth wrote:My favorite dvd to hand out to members. (as well as nonmembers of course)

Aaron Russo was a true PATRIOT!!!

I'll say he was. Although, there is one piece of information in the documentary that is now inaccurate, and that is the timeline for the National ID card... it has been pushed back to 2011 from May, 2008 because of opposition to it and the 'Fed' has given the states until 2016 to get ready for it (as far as driver's licenses go).

I think 2016 is too far out for the national ID. I'd look to an "emergency" to speed up that process.

Many sates already have adopted a lot of the provisions and the first deadline is 2011. I too suspect a more rapid implementation if opposition continues (one of our reps just sent a bill up opposing it).

DrJones wrote:I found it very interesting as well...
(LC, you should be getting some DVD's in the mail soon per your request.)

Thank you! I look forward to it.

Col. Flagg wrote:

Army Of Truth wrote:My favorite dvd to hand out to members. (as well as nonmembers of course)

Aaron Russo was a true PATRIOT!!!

I'll say he was. Although, there is one piece of information in the documentary that is now inaccurate, and that is the timeline for the National ID card... it has been pushed back to 2011 from May, 2008 because of opposition to it and the 'Fed' has given the states until 2016 to get ready for it (as far as driver's licenses go).

"Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied."
-- Otto Von Bismark

Subject: What's the REAL (ID) story?

A headline in the "L.A. Times" trumpets the news that the REAL ID national identification system has been postponed for 5 years. Glory be! Hurray! Are we on the road to victory?

Read further and you'll learn that starting this May you won't be able to board an airplane if you live in a state that's resisting the implementation of REAL ID. So . . .

Does it really matter that the official launch of REAL ID has been postponed if it's going to start harming innocent people as soon as this May?

This is typical of the "Alice in Wonderland" way government works. They postpone things they are really starting now. They cancel things they are really expanding. And they cut costs by spending more money.

Of course, the Department of Homeland Security claims you'll be able to fly anyway come May if you live in one of the rebellious states. All you have to do is file some paperwork. Glory be! Hurray!

Meanwhile the Feds are months behind on granting passports to people who filed paperwork, and innocent Americans who also filed paperwork still can't get off the Terrorist Watch List, which has swollen to more than 750,000 names. All hail good government!

And the good news continues . . .

The Terrorist Watch List was riddled with security flaws that exposed people's personal identity information to potential theft. The contract to create the software was awarded in a typical no-bid procedure the standards for which were written to exclude all companies but one. This company happened to be run by people who were friends of the bureaucrat in charge of the project. All hail good government!

But don't worry, REAL ID will be different! Except . . .

Oops! Jim Harper, the go-to guy on this issue at the Cato Institute, reports that the Department of Homeland Security has wasted $300 million dollars on programs that they've had to cancel for failure to comply with privacy regulations.

Well, at least the programs were stopped, even if the money was wasted. Shouldn't that give us a little confidence that REAL ID will be secure? Well, as Jim Harper also reports, federal judges will be excluded from REAL ID because . . . drum roll . . . it may not be secure.

We could go on. The Feds have slowly reduced the estimated cost of REAL ID to make it more acceptable, but we should know by now that federal programs always cost more than projected, not less. And money to implement REAL ID is being allocated to state governments based not on what it will really cost, but to serve as a carrot for cooperative states, and a stick to those that are not.

Send Congress a message demanding repeal of the REAL ID Act.

Use the news items mentioned above in your personal comments.

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I think 2016 is too far out for the national ID. I'd look to an "emergency" to speed up that process.

Go back to the May 07 GOP debate. Rudy was pushing for it then. Many think it will be implemented THIS year (ID card).

HeirofNumenor wrote:

I think 2016 is too far out for the national ID. I'd look to an "emergency" to speed up that process.

Go back to the May 07 GOP debate. Rudy was pushing for it then. Many think it will be implemented THIS year (ID card).

Everyone needs to watch these two videos who has a drivers license or is planning to receive or renew one!

Homeland Security's Secretary Michael Chertoff unveils new rules for the upcoming Real ID drivers licenses.



http://video.newsmax.com/?assetId=V1433 ... ode=42E7-1

also view the Q & A.

http://video.newsmax.com/?assetId=V1436150

I am NOT doing this, and I am going to hound my representatives about it like you would not believe...

How can I find out if my state is one of the 17 smart ones?