The seven trumps in Revelations/ finally got it!

[NoGreaterLove]

I finally saw the light! I finally understand those trumps in Rev 8,9 and 10. They fit perfectly with D&C 88! Same trumps, same time period, same events!
HInt? Look at the word "blood" in Rev 8 at LDS.org and see what the cross reference is for it. That one word opened up all the rest. The light finally came on. :ymparty:

Corrections made with Chapter 8 added and 8 replaced 9.

[Rand]

I finally saw the light! I finally understand those trumps in Rev 9 and 10. They fit perfectly with D&C 88! Same trumps, same time period, same events!
HInt? Look at the word "blood" in Rev 9 at LDS.org and see what the cross reference is for it. That one word opened up all the rest. The light finally came on. :ymparty:

Cool! Isn't that great when the light comes on. Now I need to go see what you have seen. Thanks for sharing your insights.

[7cylon7]

The word blood does not even show up in Rev. 9. However Revelations 9 1-12 have all been fulfilled. Meaning it has already happened. We are now waiting the for the last have of Rev 9 to happen. This chapter talks about 3 WOES. 1 Woe is already past and it was not much of a woe.

However, the last two WOES are very big indeed. now let me look at 10.

[7cylon7]

Chapter 10 is this.

Joseph Smith explained the significance of the little book:
Quote:
Q. What are we to understand by the little book which was eaten by John, as mentioned in the 10th chapter of Revelation?
A. We are to understand that it was a mission, and an ordinance, for him to gather the tribes of Israel; behold, this is Elias, who, as it is written, must come and restore all things. (D&C 77:14)

The culmination of John's mission to gather the tribes of Israel will be the building of New Jerusalem. John's mission to gather the tribes of Israel cannot complete until New Jerusalem has been built. His mission must include the building of New Jerusalem.

How I would of come up with Elias without JS here is a mystery. I would of never thought of Elias.

[7cylon7]

And DC88 has nothing to do with this.

It talks about the resurrection and who will get a natural body and who won't. Who get resurrected first and who is last.

It ends by telling of a ritual that is performed in the temple by the apostles when a new apostle is chosen.

Nothing really new here.

[NoGreaterLove]

BRM said the trumps in Rev are the same trumps in D&C 88. My apologies it was Rev 8.
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

Footnote for blood.

TG Blood, Symbolism of
see also Jesus Christ, Atonement through.
Ex. 30:10
blood of the sin offering of atonements
Lev. 17:11
blood that maketh an atonement for the soul
Matt. 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20; 1 Cor. 11:25
this is my blood of the new testament
John 6:54; John 6:53–57
Whoso … drinketh my blood, hath eternal life
Rom. 3:25
propitiation through faith in his blood
Rom. 5:9
being now justified by his blood
Heb. 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ … purge your conscience
Heb. 9:22
without shedding of blood is no remission
Heb. 13:12
Jesus … sanctify the people with his own blood
1 Jn. 1:7
blood of Jesus Christ … cleanseth us from all sin
1 Jn. 5:8; 1 Jn. 5:1–8
three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood
Rev. 1:5
washed us from our sins in his own blood
Rev. 12:11
overcame him by the blood of the Lamb
1 Ne. 12:10
garments are made white in his blood
Mosiah 3:11
his blood atoneth for the sins
Mosiah 4:2
apply the atoning blood of Christ
3 Ne. 18:11
do it in remembrance of my blood
3 Ne. 18:29
drinketh my … blood unworthily
Moro. 10:33
sanctified … through the shedding of the blood
D&C 27:2
my blood which was shed for the remission
D&C 76:69
perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood
D&C 135:3
Joseph Smith … sealed his mission and his works with his own blood
Moses 5:7
similitude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten
Moses 6:60
by the blood ye are sanctified
Moses 6:62
plan of salvation … through the blood
See also Ex. 24:3–8; Acts 20:28; D&C 88:87.

This footnote shows the correlation to
D&C 88:
99 And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump; and then cometh the redemption of those who are Christ’s at his coming; who have received their part in that prison which is prepared for them, that they might receive the gospel, and be judged according to men in the flesh.

[NoGreaterLove]

The word blood does not even show up in Rev. 9. However Revelations 9 1-12 have all been fulfilled. Meaning it has already happened. We are now waiting the for the last have of Rev 9 to happen. This chapter talks about 3 WOES. 1 Woe is already past and it was not much of a woe.

However, the last two WOES are very big indeed. now let me look at 10.

Thanks for your opinion. I however disagree. D&C 88 and Rev 8 are talking about the same thing when they begin from the 1/2 hour of silence and then move forward with the same seven trumps.

[NoGreaterLove]

D&C 88:
106 And again, another angel shall sound his trump, which is the seventh angel, saying: It is finished; it is finished! The Lamb of God hath overcome and trodden the wine-press alone, even the wine-press of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God.
107 And then shall the angels be crowned with the glory of his might, and the saints shall be filled with his glory, and receive their inheritance and be made equal with him.
Rev: 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Both accounts are talking about the same angel and the same thing.

[pjbrownie]

You ought to show a side-by-side comparison.

[NoGreaterLove]

Ok here is Rev 10 and the seventh angel is the one that stands upon the land (earth) and the sea. John heard the seven thunders and was told not to write them. It is after these seven thunders roar that time is no longer.

Rev. 10:
1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

D&C 88:
108 And then shall the first angel again sound his trump in the ears of all living, and reveal the secret acts of men, and the mighty works of God in the first thousand years.
109 And then shall the second angel sound his trump, and reveal the secret acts of men, and the thoughts and intents of their hearts, and the mighty works of God in the second thousand years—
110 And so on, until the seventh angel shall sound his trump; and he shall stand forth upon the land and upon the sea, and swear in the name of him who sitteth upon the throne, that there shall be time no longer; and Satan shall be bound, that old serpent, who is called the devil, and shall not be loosed for the space of a thousand years.

If you want to learn more about the trumps in Revelation, study D&C 88.

[NoGreaterLove]

First Trump
D&C 88
95…………and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled;
96 And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.
97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him in the midst of the pillar of heaven—
98 They are Christ’s, the first fruits, they who shall descend with him first, and they who are on the earth and in their graves, who are first caught up to meet him; and all this by the voice of the sounding of the trump of the angel of God.
Rev 8:
7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
Rev 16:
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Second Trump
D&C 88:
99 And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump; and then cometh the redemption of those who are Christ’s at his coming; who have received their part in that prison which is prepared for them, that they might receive the gospel, and be judged according to men in the flesh.
Rev 8:
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
Rev 16:
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
Third Trump
D&C 88:
100 And again, another trump shall sound, which is the third trump; and then come the spirits of men who are to be judged, and are found under condemnation;
101 And these are the rest of the dead; and they live not again until the thousand years are ended, neither again, until the end of the earth.
Rev 8:
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood and the third part of the waters became wormwood and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
Rev16
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have ashed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are cworthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Fourth Trump
D&C 88
102 And another trump shall sound, which is the fourth trump, saying: There are found among those who are to remain until that great and last day, even the end, who shall remain filthy still.
Rev 8:
12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Rev 16:
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and ablasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Notice this completes 1/3, 1/3 and 1/3 = 1 whole.
A note concerning a third part.
Zechariah 13:9

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.


13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Fifth Trump
First Woe
D&C 88:
103 And another trump shall sound, which is the fifth trump, which is the fifth angel who committeth the everlasting gospel—flying through the midst of heaven, unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people;
104 And this shall be the sound of his trump, saying to all people, both in heaven and in earth, and that are under the earth—for every ear shall hear it, and every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess, while they hear the sound of the trump, saying: Fear God, and give glory to him who sitteth upon the throne, forever and ever; for the hour of his judgment is come.
Rev 9:
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Rev 16:
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of adarkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their apains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Rev 14:
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Sixth Trump
Second Woe
D&C 88:
105 And again, another angel shall sound his trump, which is the sixth angel, saying: She is fallen who made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; she is fallen, is fallen!
Rev. 9:
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Rev 16:
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 14:
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Rev 11:
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


Seventh Trump
Third woe!
D&C 88:
106 And again, another angel shall sound his trump, which is the seventh angel, saying: It is finished; it is finished! The Lamb of God hath overcome and trodden the wine-press alone, even the wine-press of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God.
107 And then shall the angels be crowned with the glory of his might, and the saints shall be filled with his glory, and receive their inheritance and be made equal with him.
Rev 10:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev 16:
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Rev 11:
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Rev 19:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

[NoGreaterLove]

Notice the resurrection and quickening of the saints does not happen until after the 1/2 hour of silence. This IMO would not happen until after the Lord had sent the 144000 throughout the world to gather in all who would repent. Once they have been warned, time for the Lord to preach his own sermons.

[NoGreaterLove]

D&C 88:
100 And again, another trump shall sound, which is the third trump; and then come the spirits of men who are to be judged, and are found under condemnation;
101 And these are the rest of the dead; and they live not again until the thousand years are ended, neither again, until the end of the earth.

Notice that we are already in the 1000 years or Millennium when the third trump sounds. That would be because the Millennium started with the 1/2 hour of silence. Armageddon is the 7th trump.

[pjbrownie]

Thanks for your parallels. It makes sense. On one hand, you have the judgments of God, on the other hand, you have the blessings and the heavenly judgments going on at the same time. I really caught notice of this phrase:

Rev. 10:
1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

What is the sea here? I suspect that it is the Isles of the Sea, the Western Hemisphere is also noted as the Sea.
What is the earth then? The eastern hemisphere, the land at the time of John.

What does it mean? The right foot are those that are righteous, and he sets his foot there first, it is his ruling foot of justice for the righteous and the establishment of Zion. Then the left foot comes down and it is the foot of judgment and of destruction.

[bobhenstra]

This footnote shows the correlation to [/size][/i]
D&C 88:
99 And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump; and then cometh the redemption of those who are Christ’s at his coming; who have received their part in that prison which is prepared for them, that they might receive the gospel, and be judged according to men in the flesh.

Gee Shadow, NGL is actually learning! But, did he miss the really important part of verse 99, I wonder???

Bobby

[Original_Intent]

This footnote shows the correlation to [/size][/i]
D&C 88:
99 And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump; and then cometh the redemption of those who are Christ’s at his coming; who have received their part in that prison which is prepared for them, that they might receive the gospel, and be judged according to men in the flesh.

Gee Shadow, NGL is actually learning! But, did he miss the really important part of verse 99, I wonder???

Bobby

What a condescending comment, Bob.

[bobhenstra]

This footnote shows the correlation to [/size][/i]
D&C 88:
99 And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump; and then cometh the redemption of those who are Christ’s at his coming; who have received their part in that prison which is prepared for them, that they might receive the gospel, and be judged according to men in the flesh.

Gee Shadow, NGL is actually learning! But, did he miss the really important part of verse 99, I wonder???

Bobby

What a condescending comment, Bob.

Then there's OI! I'll underline it for you---The people who are in Spirit Prison actually get out and belong to Christ! Did you see that???

Bob

[NoGreaterLove]

Thanks for your parallels. It makes sense. On one hand, you have the judgments of God, on the other hand, you have the blessings and the heavenly judgments going on at the same time. I really caught notice of this phrase:

Rev. 10:
1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

What is the sea here? I suspect that it is the Isles of the Sea, the Western Hemisphere is also noted as the Sea.
What is the earth then? The eastern hemisphere, the land at the time of John.

What does it mean? The right foot are those that are righteous, and he sets his foot there first, it is his ruling foot of justice for the righteous and the establishment of Zion. Then the left foot comes down and it is the foot of judgment and of destruction.

I like that interpretation. It is plausible. This person is not Christ, he is an angel. I believe it is Adam.

[NoGreaterLove]

This footnote shows the correlation to [/size][/i]
D&C 88:
99 And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump; and then cometh the redemption of those who are Christ’s at his coming; who have received their part in that prison which is prepared for them, that they might receive the gospel, and be judged according to men in the flesh.

Gee Shadow, NGL is actually learning! But, did he miss the really important part of verse 99, I wonder???

Bobby

Gotcha Bobby! Nice try. But we are on two different wavelengths on that subject. Mine being the good wave length, of course. O:-)

[NoGreaterLove]

Then there's OI! I'll underline it for you---The people who are in Spirit Prison actually get out and belong to Christ! Did you see that???

Bob

Only those that are Christ's, you are missing the rest of the story,.
D&C 88:
100 And again, another trump shall sound, which is the third trump; and then come the spirits of men who are to be judged, and are found under condemnation;
101 And these are the rest of the dead; and they live not again until the thousand years are ended, neither again, until the end of the earth.

D&C 88
102 And another trump shall sound, which is the fourth trump, saying: There are found among those who are to remain until that great and last day, even the end, who shall remain filthy still.

How can someone be filthy if Christ redeemed them and washed them clean? The answer is he did not redeem them, they remain in spirit prison until they have paid for their own sins.

[pjbrownie]

I like that even better

[durangout]

D&C 88:
100 And again, another trump shall sound, which is the third trump; and then come the spirits of men who are to be judged, and are found under condemnation;
101 And these are the rest of the dead; and they live not again until the thousand years are ended, neither again, until the end of the earth.

Notice that we are already in the 1000 years or Millennium when the third trump sounds. That would be because the Millennium started with the 1/2 hour of silence. Armageddon is the 7th trump.

Sure, sure but this shouldn't be a surpise to anyone who has read The Book Of Revelation. It seems quite clear to me that it says exactly this. For some strange reason, it seems that many on this forum relagte that book to a 2nd class status versus Daniel, Ezec, Isa or D&C when it come to latter day prophecies. In reality it should absolutely be the No 1 resource that anyone uses. As the angel told Nephi, it was John's and John's mission alone to write the complete pre-history or plan for humanity which is what we have in The Revelation. I guess it's the symbolysm that throws people. It's not for the novice for sure but it is unequaled in it's content IMO. it's the only scripture with the ENTIRE plan. Every other book only has parts of it.

I LOVE THE BOOK OF REVELATION!

btw Is it sacreligious to say John was a "Rock Star"?

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[quote="NoGreaterLove"]First Trump
D&C 88
95…………and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled;
96 And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.
97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him in the midst of the pillar of heaven—
98 They are Christ’s, the first fruits, they who shall descend with him first, and they who are on the earth and in their graves, who are first caught up to meet him; and all this by the voice of the sounding of the trump of the angel of God.
Rev 8:
7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
Rev 16:
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Second Trump
D&C 88:
99 And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump; and then cometh the redemption of those who are Christ’s at his coming; who have received their part in that prison which is prepared for them, that they might receive the gospel, and be judged according to men in the flesh.
Rev 8:
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
Rev 16:
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
Third Trump
D&C 88:
100 And again, another trump shall sound, which is the third trump; and then come the spirits of men who are to be judged, and are found under condemnation;
101 And these are the rest of the dead; and they live not again until the thousand years are ended, neither again, until the end of the earth.
Rev 8:
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood and the third part of the waters became wormwood and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
Rev16
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have ashed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are cworthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Fourth Trump
D&C 88
102 And another trump shall sound, which is the fourth trump, saying: There are found among those who are to remain until that great and last day, even the end, who shall remain filthy still.
Rev 8:
12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Rev 16:
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and ablasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Notice this completes 1/3, 1/3 and 1/3 = 1 whole.
A note concerning a third part.


I am curious what you're getting at here. My understanding is that the number 1 (as you suggest above) does not represent completeness at all. It represents unity or God depending on the context. 7 is the number that represents completness in every resource I've drawn from. Besides you come up with "completeness" mid-way through the tribulation. The tribulation could only be "complete" when it is finished.

I think what the 1/3 represents is something very different. Think back to what portion of the hosts of heaven were cast from heaven for rebellion? Right 1/3. They weren't ready to progress to the next stage in life. Likewise it is 1/3 of the people on earth that aren't worthy to progress to the next stage of life. I don't mean 33%. I mean a "third part" or those that are of a telestial nature. When Christ rules we will be in a terrestrial world and it will be cleansed of that which is telestial. In other words, they can't abide a terrestrial existence and will be removed.

Now, you will say it says nothing of people therer but trees, grass and seas, right? Let me put it this way The Revelation is drowning in symbolysm. For example: 7 stars, 7 candlestics, lamb with 7 horns and 7 eyes, the harlot, locuts with crowns and teeth of lions, the numbers 3,7,10,7000,144,000...sea of glass, water, trees, sealed books. I could go on and on but I hope you get the point that there is symbolic meaning to all of these things. I think when he talks of 1/3 of the grass, trees and seas he is using these symols to represent peoples.

Just some food for thought.

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Then there's OI! I'll underline it for you---The people who are in Spirit Prison actually get out and belong to Christ! Did you see that???

Bob

I never said otherwise, but as usual you miss crucial words and thus (mis)interpret what is actually said according to your own ideas. It didn't say everyone that was in spirit prison gets out at the second trump - it says those who have received their part in that prison. You do know there is a first resurrection and a second resurrection, right Bob? The second resurrection being at the end of the millenium, not during the trumps.

edit: I see NGL has already corrected you above.

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Then there's OI! I'll underline it for you---The people who are in Spirit Prison actually get out and belong to Christ! Did you see that???

Bob

Only those that are Christ's, you are missing the rest of the story,.
D&C 88:
100 And again, another trump shall sound, which is the third trump; and then come the spirits of men who are to be judged, and are found under condemnation;
101 And these are the rest of the dead; and they live not again until the thousand years are ended, neither again, until the end of the earth.

D&C 88
102 And another trump shall sound, which is the fourth trump, saying: There are found among those who are to remain until that great and last day, even the end, who shall remain filthy still.

Yep, they remain filthy still "until" they repent, then they are Christs! How is it you continue to insist on not allowing your spiritual brothers and sisters the privilege of repentance? You take Alma the Younger for instance-------- And here I thought you were----learning! My bad!

Bob

Bob
How can someone be filthy if Christ redeemed them and washed them clean? The answer is he did not redeem them, they remain in spirit prison until they have paid for their own sins.

Uh huh, and after they've paid for their own sins they repent of their ignorance----

And OI, I said nothing about trumps! All I'm talking about is repentance--thought you guys might be finally learning, again, my bad!

Bob