LDS Freedom Forum

http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/

In a nutshell, Mitt is:

• pro "choice to kill",
  pro gay "rights",
  pro gay "marriage/partnership",
  pro gun control/banning
  pro changing all of his liberal principals to be a "conservative" at coincidentally the same time he runs for President....

but oh, wait, he is LDS...so disregard all of those facts because he is a fellow priesthood holder and "cannot lie" and must talk with God on every decision he has ever made since, again, he is LDS.

It just makes me sick.

There is no way that much "activity" can just suddenly be abandoned and they (the G&L) not be outraged.

I am certain that they still feel that he will support them once he is in "the house"

What I heard about this was SO minor that I did not check on it.

Just that Ann donated to planned parenthood, and then donated I think it was 10 times as much to a pro-life organization.. (bought and paid for)

And I did not realize the smoke screen that was. To focus on her rather then Mitt's history in that area.

WOW

I have actually been accused of weakening others faith by exposing Mitt. When asked how, the answer is "If you don't know, I wont bother explaining".

LDS for Mitt are so hateful of truth and reasoned discussion, and their universal reaction to exposing Mitt, it is almost like they are possessed.

Yep. My BIL said that we are mingling the precepts of men with scripture when we tried to tell him.

My husband just shut up at that point and we have not spoken about anything to him since. I did see him for pictures, but that was it.

I just tell myself. One day they will know. Just like Joel Skousen said. One day all will be revealed and those who mocked us, and reviled against us, will be "humbled" basically.

There is a huge sifting. It is sad that a man like MITT and the Constitution (the destruction thereof) are used to do it.

Just keep exposing him. I wish our branch president would call me on the carpet for discussing Mitt, but he agrees with me.

There are Mormons who have watched and listened to Mitt's "not since Moses and the bush" statement and still refuse to believe it. Some think it was faked/edited. Some think he never meant it the way it came out. Others think it was for the benefit of the Church that he said what he said.

I've thought of waiting until the next time Joseph Smith's vision is brought up in a class and saying something like "But according to Mitt Romney that never happened. The last time God spoke to man was to Moses by the bush." Ain't I rotten to even think of doing something like that?

lundbaek wrote:
I've thought of waiting until the next time Joseph Smith's vision is brought up in a class and saying something like "But according to Mitt Romney that never happened. The last time God spoke to man was to Moses by the bush." Ain't I rotten to even think of doing something like that?

Funny, the only problem I would have in doing that is it would go over most of their heads. they wouldn't even get it.

LoveChrist wrote:Yep. My BIL said that we are mingling the precepts of men with scripture when we tried to tell him.

What is a "BIL"? Forgive my internet abbreviation ignorance

Sorry, it means my Brother in law.

Oh !

Did he explain his remarks? I've noticed most folks like that make accusations than refuse to explain.

Nope, my husband just stopped talking.

I have been sending emails to my sister, trying to get her to watch Freedom To Fascism and everything else that I can find.

Some of my family is awakening, and that is a relief. For the last 3 years I thought it may never happen, but kept praying. I will just have to keep praying, and hoping.

I believe that my Brother in Law would be the most greatest warrior for liberty, if he knew where the battle front lies. If he didn't think that we should support a member more then we support the constitution, I think he would go into action, he is just that kind of guy.

I wish he would just read the Constitution and take the time to ponder on it.

I have recommended books like: The Hidden Things of Darkness, the 5000 year leap, Awakening to our awful situation, and several scripture verses, but it is not working just yet.

Many people still believe that the terrorists are the gadiantons, and in some ways they are. But the ones that are most dangerous are the ones that the Book of Mormon talks about. The ones in the judgment seats, the ones that make the laws, and govern the people, and I know you know this, so I will not go on. LOL

If we purified the inner vessel, then no weapon would prosper against us.

I thought that this was encouraging. The saints are begining to awake:


http://www.ldsmag.com/pollmentor/pollme ... asp?id=111

I am torn in two with Mitt Romney. I have very mixed feelings. I have been extremely troubled with Mitt Romney for the past year. I admit that I am also a Ron Paul supporter, and have been for years. I have admired his steadfastness in supporting the Constitution without wavering.

I am afraid that Mitt is now his own worst enemy. His changes from earlier positions, which other posters have adequately exposed and documented in earlier posts, have made him appear to be willing to say or do anything to win elective office. And now, the chicken are coming home to roost. Those outside the LDS community have expressed valid concerns about this flaw in Mitt.

It is beyond me how any LDS person, and particularly one who has been an LDS bishop and Stake President, as Mitt has been, could have ever been pro-abortion or pro-gay. That, to me, is nearly inexcusable. That's why I appreciate a man of true and unwavering character like Ron Paul.

That is my belief. That said, however, I accept that Mitt has changed his views on these matters. For me to refuse to accept his changes says more about my character than his. As an American, I can appreciate that someone has changed their views. My own have evolved over a lifetime, especially as I have studied the Constitution with Brian Meacham (the owner of this website) and others. Can I deny the same privilege to Mitt? I don't think so.

I have heard Mitt talk about this, and I am convinced that his change of heart is true. To continue to harp on his previous views is to be unforgiving in our natures. He no longer feels that way. Let's accept that! If Mitt says he has changed his perspective on these matters, I take him at his word. To constantly "expose" and underscore his old ideas is to be unwilling, on our parts, to allow him to grow and change in good faith.

As a Mormon, I find it inexcusable that any LDS person, and especially one that grew up in the Church, would have ever been pro-gay or pro-abortion. But also as a Mormon, I must forgive Mitt for his earlier errors, and give him the benefit of the doubt. I am convinced that the Mitt we see now is the true one, and I therefore suggest we all "get over it" and receive him as a true conservative. To refuse to do so would "expose" us -- not him -- as falling short of what we expect from him, that is, living up to LDS standards of Christian behavior. We thereby become hypocrites just as much as what we claim Mitt is.

I also believe that by continuing to hit on Mitt because of his previous views is also hurting the Church somewhat. Like it or not, people connect Mitt with Mormonism. I read all my news on the Internet, and many of those sites allow readers to post commentary on the news stories. As I read these comments on various new sites, I am astounded at how rapidly the animosity to the Church is growing. It is also relentless. Should we be surprised? So is the father of those attacks on the Church -- Lucifer himself. (Perhaps we can spend more of our time defending the Church on those sites, as requested recently by one of our apostles, rather than attacking Mitt on this one.) By attacking Mitt ourselves and by refusing to accept his sincerity in his changes, we are reinforcing the idea that Mormons are so desperate for acceptance that we will do anything to get it. We and the Church would be best served by showing some forgiveness of Mitt and acceptance of his freshly-found conservative principles -- and then supporting Ron Paul anyway.

That's my view!

If the Mitt we see now is the true one, then we have to accept that he still thinks the president instead of Congress can declare war and that the last time God spoke to man was to Moses by the bush. He'd look very silly trying to correct those goofs once in the White House. IAnd it appears that attaining the presidency is more important to Mitt than telling of Joseph Smith's first vision of both God and Christ, a keystone of Mormon doctrine. Also, his association with Coffer Black, former CIA and George W. Bush state department counter-terrorism officer and vice president of Blackwater USA puts him in with a character who's integrity I do not trust.

Full speed ahead into the NWO, and damn the Constitution.

I love Mitt Romney as a fellow brother, but his choices still are wrong today. I believe that we can point out 'current' events that are just not right and still love Mitt.

Globalism is wrong, war is wrong, forcing people to make choices is also wrong (referring to the forced insurance in Mass.) to not stand up for the Constitution is wrong, to Not return the nation to our roots is wrong.

Good church standing does not mean that someone is perfect. And we ALL make mistakes.

I think that we can do both Love the sinner and abhor the sin.



Lev. 19: 17
17 ¶ Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

IE Though you may reprove a neighbor and not tolerate his sin, do not hate him.

D&C 121: 43.
43 Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;

Jacob 2: 7.
7 And also it grieveth me that I must use so much boldness of speech concerning you, before your wives and your children, many of whose feelings are exceedingly tender and chaste and delicate before God, which thing is pleasing unto God;

I think Joel Skousen nails the Mitt situation at about 2 minutes into this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M-M4K_N55w

I think Joel Skousen nails the Mitt situation at about 2 minutes into this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M-M4K_N55w

Yep.. he sure did