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Posted: December 1st, 2011, 6:00 pm
Heard that was the SL TimesOldemandalton wrote:Russia Times? )
How about the Gog and Magog Times?
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Heard that was the SL TimesOldemandalton wrote:Russia Times? )
How about the Gog and Magog Times?
Oldemandalton wrote:Russia Times =MSM X 10
InfoWarrior82 wrote:Not necessarily truth. But more truth than our own U.S. whore-porate media. It's a sad day when it comes to that. (Of course they have their own motives and try and show all the warts they can that the U.S. is trying to hide.)
I think you'll change your mind that Russia has "perfected the art of propaganda" once you watch this:
InfoWarrior82 wrote:I'm not arguing about who is worse than the other. Or about the socialistic threat to our nation. But more truth about U.S. intentions in the middle east? Yes. More truth about U.S. big banks? Yes. I'm amazed to read/hear things that would NEVER NEVER NEVER in a million years be reported in our lamestream media. Doesn't mean I trust them as far as I can throw them, though.
Oldemandalton wrote:InfoWarrior what is the motives or goals behind Russia Times and Press TV?
If I might add.....I think their goal right now is the final destruction of the US. This must occur within. So its in their best interest right now to get as much cold hard truth about crimes of government out to the people to completely fracture the belief system in the government. Our own media is also participating. Its like the 60 minutes episode on Congressional insider trading....when its been going on for decades. Why now?InfoWarrior82 wrote:Oldemandalton wrote:InfoWarrior what is the motives or goals behind Russia Times and Press TV?
IMO, I believe they want to take as many jabs they can (whether their facts may be true or even outright lies) at the United States. In a way it's like the pot calling the kettle black. In every news outlet, whether that be Fox, MSNBC, CNN, local news, al jezeera, and RT will have some truths. We just need to be able to weed out the lies and deceptions and keep the truths wherever we find them.
Oldemandalton wrote:Israel and Syria brace for regional war between mid-Dec. 2011 and mid-Jan 2012
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report December 5, 2011, 2:41 PM (GMT+02:00)
The actions and words of Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Syrian ruler Bashar Assad in the last 72 hours indicate they are poised for a regional war, including an attack on Iran, for some time between December 2011 and January 2012.
In their different ways, both have posted road signs to the fast-approaching conflict as DEBKAfile's Middle East sources disclose:
1. Saturday, Dec. 3, Syria staged a large-scale military exercise in the eastern town of Palmyra, which was interpreted by Western and Israeli pundits as notice to its neighbors, primarily Turkey and Israel, that the uprising against the Assad regime had not fractured its sophisticated missile capabilities.
DEBKAfile's military sources advise attaching more credibility to the official Damascus statement of Sunday, Dec. 4: "The Syrian army has staged a live-fire drill in the eastern part of the country under war-like circumstances with the aim of testing its missile weaponry in confronting any attack."
Videotapes of the exercise, briefly carried on the Internet early Monday before they were removed by an unseen hand, support this statement. They showed a four-stage exercise, in which missile fire was a minor feature. Its focus was on the massive firing of self-propelled 120mm cannon, brigade-strength practice of 600mm and 300mm multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), offensive movements of Syrian armored brigades backed by ground-to-ground missiles with short 150-200 kilometer ranges. They drilled tactics for repelling enemy reinforcements rushed to combat arenas.
All this added up to is an impressive Syrian demonstration of its ability to ward off an attack on Syrian soil by turning a defensive array into an offensive push for taking the battle over into the aggressor's territory, whether the Turkish or Israeli armies or a combined Arab League force backed by NATO.
2. Israel made its rejoinder to the Syrian war message 24 hours later.
Addressing a ceremony honoring the memory of for Israel's founding father David Ben-Gurion, Netanyahu recalled how 63 years ago, Ben-Gurion declared the foundation of the State of Israel in defiance of pressures from most of Western leaders and a majority of his own party. They warned him that he would trigger a combined Arab attack to destroy the fledgling state just three years after the end of World War II.
But fortunately for us, said the prime minister, Ben-Gurion stood up to the pressure and went through with his decision, otherwise Israel would not be here today.
"There are times," said Netanyahu, "when a decision may carry a heavy price, but the price for not deciding would be heavier."
"I want to believe," he said, "we will always have the courage and resolve for the right decisions to safeguard our future and security."
Although he did not mention Iran, it was not hard to infer that the prime minister was referring to a decision to exercise Israel's military option against Iran's nuclear program in the face of crushing pressure from Washington and insistent advice of certain Israeli security veterans.
Defense minister Ehud Barak, who was standing behind the prime minister's shoulder, was as tense as a coiled spring.
3. Six hours later, Netanyahu dropped a bombshell on the domestic political scene: He announced his Likud party would hold elections, including primaries, before January 31, 2012 - two years before schedule and a year before Israel's next general election. As head of one of the most stable and long-lived coalition governments ever to have ruled Israel, he is under no pressing domestic need of a demonstration of leadership at this time.
4. In the last two weeks, the Netanyahu government has been subjected to acerbic criticism on the part of one Obama administration official after another. They have presented Israel as having fallen into the hands of right-wing extremists who are engaged in a mad race to suppress the judiciary and diminish the civil rights of women and children – not to mention Palestinians.
Secretary of State of Hillary Clinton went to unimaginable lengths when she likened Israel to Iran because fringe ultraorthodox group's in a couple of suburbs in Jerusalem and Bnei Brak were fighting for gender segregation on public transport against the government and the courts.
She was clearly aiming to undermine the Netanyahu government's democratic credentials - and therefore his moral legitimacy - for going to war to halt Iran's attainment of a nuclear weapon.
4. The unusually powerful US and Russian naval buildups in the waters around Syria and Iran.
Washington sought in late November to give the impression that the George H.W. Bush Carrier Strike Group was anchored off Marseilles, when it was spotted in the eastern Mediterranean opposite Syria.
Moscow then rushed to Syria's defense by airlifting 72 anti-ship Yakhont missiles (Western-coded SSN-26) to Damascus. These water-skimming weapons can hit naval targets at a distance of 300 kilometers.
After that the Bush, whose freedom to approach Syrian or Lebanese shores, had been curtailed by the new weapon reaching Syria, departed to an unknown destination, while the USS Carl Vinson strike group took up position opposite Iran.
Moscow is also playing hide and seek with its only air carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. It was announced that the vessel would set sail for the Mediterranean on Dec. 6. But on Nov. 25, it was sighted passing Malta and chugging past Cyprus four days later on its way to join the flotilla of three Russian guided missile destroyers already anchored off Syria.
Neither the United States nor Russia would have concentrated two powerful fleets in the proximity of Syria and Iran unless they were certain a military conflagration was imminent. While any of the prime movers, Washington, Moscow, Tehran, Israel or Bashar Assad, may at the last moment step back from the brink of a regional war, at the moment, there is no sign of this happening.
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OMD, this ^^^^Jason wrote:If I might add.....I think their goal right now is the final destruction of the US. This must occur within. So its in their best interest right now to get as much cold hard truth about crimes of government out to the people to completely fracture the belief system in the government. Our own media is also participating. Its like the 60 minutes episode on Congressional insider trading....when its been going on for decades. Why now?InfoWarrior82 wrote:Oldemandalton wrote:InfoWarrior what is the motives or goals behind Russia Times and Press TV?
IMO, I believe they want to take as many jabs they can (whether their facts may be true or even outright lies) at the United States. In a way it's like the pot calling the kettle black. In every news outlet, whether that be Fox, MSNBC, CNN, local news, al jezeera, and RT will have some truths. We just need to be able to weed out the lies and deceptions and keep the truths wherever we find them.
Look at it in terms of trying to get church members to go apostate and lose faith in leadership......what's the best tactic? Truth. Just not all the truth. Bring up all the garbage and just leave off the reminders that church leadership is still supported by the Spirit.
Of course we don't have that with government....and the government will fail (has failed)....or rather the people have failed and thus their representatives. But methodology is the same.
I don't agree that this system is a heck of alot better. Better for whom? Maybe for US Citizen . . . right now . . . but the scriptures are plain on this. Babylon the Great is just as evil as the red scarlet beast that replaces her. The beast may be more vicious, but it is just as evil. We ought not try to defend Babylon, or have hope in Babylon. Both have done wrong and both will face the justice of the Lord.Oldemandalton wrote:InfoWarrior82, the ultimate goal of Lucifer is to defeat God in the war that started in the pre-earth life.
Step One: Destroy this nation. The USA and its Constitution have been a bastion and example of freedom since its conception. Lately, not so much. The LDGs have been working on the destruction of the Constitution for at least a century. Still we are envied by the down trodden of the world and must be destroyed to move to step two. How do you destroy a republic? Economic collapse, riots/anarchy, and war? Yes but you need to prepare the ground first. Sow distrust, real or imagined both work, in the minds of the public toward every institution of trust in the country. Distrust of the government, finance, universities, churches, military, etc. Lies and half-truths work very well here. This is where the MSM, RT Press TV come in. With the onslaught of negativity toward every division of government and private life then when the ‘Economic collapse, riots/anarchy, and war’ happens, the public/sheeple will be more than willing to replace our ‘failed capitalism’ and ‘deadlocked, do nothing government’ with ‘social justice’ and ‘democracy’.
Step Two: Destroy the current world order. What we got now is a heck of a lot better than the one being planned for us, world government. Europe is already ahead of us in 'step one'. The EU has maybe months to survive. The rest of the world is close behind. We’re soon to follow.
Step Three: Create enough fear and hunger so that the sheeple of the world will accept the world government ‘solution’ being planned. What would cause so much fear and hunger for even Americans to accept a world government? A billion or two dying from a World War and the resultant starvation and disease that would follow the disruption of food production and distribution will do the trick. We will be convinced that ‘the solution’ will be short term. “We promise that freedom will slowly be restored as soon as the emergency is over”. Some restriction on speech, gun rights, even religion will be necessary for the good of the ‘collective’. Some may even need to be sacrificed for the better of the world. Of course those who refuse will have to be ‘reeducated’ until they see the light.
The destruction of America and the nation of Israel are keys to Lucifer winning the War in heaven. They will both be made scape goats. America for its destruction of the dollar and attacks on other countries. Same goes for Israel. IMO Israel is being set up to start the coming World War by giving them a now win situation. Take out Iran’s nukes or wait for them to use it on Tel Aviv either way they lose and are the scape goat. Sometime after WW III the armies of Gog and his allies attack Israel beginning the War of Armageddon. We know the rest of that story.
So, InfoWarrior82, Russia Times and Press TV along with the rest of the MSM are helping to prepare the ground for the coming ‘solution’. Half-truths and spin are harder to tell from the truth and is being used by Lucifer and his minions to demoralize this nation and turn the people against the institution we once held dear. Patriotism is blasé now even ridiculed. Our history has been changed and hidden from us. Our children don’t know our history and the heroes who founded our nation. This was no accident.
How can we as a people save something we detest? That is what they are up to. If we hate our country then why bother with an antiquated constitution. It don’t work so let’s replace it. THAT’S what our enemies are up to, InfoWarrior, and reading many posts on this forum has convinced me they are doing a darn good job of it.
OMD